Totesmygoats
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Let me try explaining this backwards;
This is one of the worst case scenarios if you pretend like "payload isn't real".
Calculating payload from GVWR as has been claimed is correct;
Possible axle load in this configuration;
Now, lets do the same but respecting the "fake" payload.
The real way GVWR is calculated is like this weight + payload = GVWR, you can see that clear as day here;
The same worst case scenario for rear axle load while respecting payload values;
IT'S A MIRACLE When you respect payload, even in a worst case scenario, you don't overload your axle. When you pretend "payload is fake" you can overload your axle.
Is this an extreme example? Yes, that's the point, ratings are determined by extremes. This obviously is not exactly how they do it, but it gives you a good approximation and understanding.
Is this an amazing coincidence?
OR
Is it simply just the forgone conclusion when you realize GVWR is derived from maximum safe payload not the other way around, as being claimed.
Now that it's clear to anyone but a child the two supporting statements I made are true, how about we go back to the original point. Which is yillbs said payload is "fake" and does not appear on the ratings stickers. And that's 100% false, regardless of how you feel about these two supporting statements.
This is one of the worst case scenarios if you pretend like "payload isn't real".
Calculating payload from GVWR as has been claimed is correct;
3027+2175 (weights empty tank) +166 (avg human) = 5368 base weight = 1532 payload =6900 GVW
Possible axle load in this configuration;
2175 (RAW empty tank) + 83 (half an average human) 1532+220 (leverage of a pallet)= 4010 RAW OVERWEIGHT
Now, lets do the same but respecting the "fake" payload.
The real way GVWR is calculated is like this weight + payload = GVWR, you can see that clear as day here;
3127+2275 (weights full tank, as that's worst case when respectingpayload) + 1500 (human included) = 6900 GVW
The same worst case scenario for rear axle load while respecting payload values;
2260 (base) + 1417 (payload -half human (83#) + 200 (leverage of a pallet)= 3877
IT'S A MIRACLE When you respect payload, even in a worst case scenario, you don't overload your axle. When you pretend "payload is fake" you can overload your axle.
Is this an extreme example? Yes, that's the point, ratings are determined by extremes. This obviously is not exactly how they do it, but it gives you a good approximation and understanding.
Is this an amazing coincidence?
OR
Is it simply just the forgone conclusion when you realize GVWR is derived from maximum safe payload not the other way around, as being claimed.
Now that it's clear to anyone but a child the two supporting statements I made are true, how about we go back to the original point. Which is yillbs said payload is "fake" and does not appear on the ratings stickers. And that's 100% false, regardless of how you feel about these two supporting statements.
You have to keep in mind payload isn't real. Payload is a PR number used to tell customers how much they can haul in the bed of the pickup.
A payload is not, under any circumstances a legal anything, payload is not posted on a sticker anywhere, and it's not listed on any websites, period, it can't be. You either don't understand math, or how measurements work, or both.
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