Payload

[yillbs]

This 6900lb gvwr number that keeps getting thrown around, is that what the manufacturer makes up that the truck is "capable" of hauling, or is that dot regulation weight for a half ton truck?

I can't say for all ram trucks, but that's Rams 1500 4x4 gvwr. It might change based on the trump and options. That number can be found in the door, or on the Dodge website.

Once you know your gvwr you can safely say what you can haul in the truck. The op has a 6900 gvwr based on what Dodge says though.

 

[yillbs]

I can't say for all ram trucks, but that's Rams 1500 4x4 gvwr. It might change based on the trump and options. That number can be found in the door, or on the Dodge website.

Once you know your gvwr you can safely say what you can haul in the truck. The op has a 6900 gvwr based on what Dodge says though.

Here is a chart i found on dodges website, it even states how to calculate the made up word " payload ".

https://www.ramtrucks.com/assets/towing_guide/pdf/2016_ram_1500_towing_charts.pdf


Payload and Max Trailer Weights are ESTIMATED values.
2 All weights are shown in pounds unless otherwise stated.
3 Payload and Max Trailer Weight values are rounded to the nearest 10 lb.
4 Payload = GVWR – Base Weight.
5 Trailer Weight Rating and Tow Vehicle Trailering Weight are calculated as specified in SAE J2807.
Passenger Weight = 300 lb.
Options Weight is option content above 33 percent of sales volume.
Trailer equipment weight =
Class IV receiver hitch is 11.1 lb (if not already included in options weight).
Trailer Hitch is 10 lb if TWR is less or equal to 5,000 lb and 65 lb if TWR is greater than 5,000 lb.
6 Payload and Trailer Weight Rating are mutually exclusive.
7 GAWRs, GVWRs and GCWRs should never be exceeded.
8. The recommended tongue weight for a conventional hitch is 10 percent of the gross trailer weight. The maximum tongue weight for Class IV receiver hitch is limited to 1100 lb.
9 Weight Distributing Hitch is recommended for trailers over 5,000 lb.
10 Quad Cab and Crew Cab models with Off Road Tire (s/c TXN), All Terrain Tire (s/c TWG) or Steel Wheel (s/c WFP) have 6800 lb GVWR.
11 All models with 22 inch Tires (s/c TY4) have 6200 lb GVWR.
12 Big Horn and Lone Star packages equipped with the 3.0L V6 EcoDiesel Engine and a 3.92 axle ratio have 13,750 lb. GCWR.

 

[Totesmygoats]

You have to keep in mind payload isn't real. Payload is a PR number used to tell customers how much they can haul in the bed of the pickup.

That's not true, payload is a real number, with legal ramifications. There are examples of trucks with payload less than GVWR- base weight as well, that is not always how they calculate payload. The GRAWR is taken into account in some instances.

If you want to know what's PR and what isn't, look at your door stickers.

 

[yillbs]

That's not true, payload is a real number, with legal ramifications. There are examples of trucks with payload less than GVWR- base weight as well, that is not always how they calculate payload. The GRAWR is taken into account in some instances.

If you want to know what's PR and what isn't, look at your door stickers.

Wrong wrong wrong, the grawr is NOT ever taken into account for a gvwr lol, not on a half t ram pickup. A payload is not, under any circumstances a legal anything, the payload is dynamic, it changes with every truck on the road, payload is not posted on a sticker anywhere, and it's not listed on any websites, period, it can't be. You either don't understand math, or how measurements work, or both. Payload is an end result of a mathematical equation, gvwr minus vehicle weight. It doesn't matter how you do it , or your neighbor does it, it matters how the manufacturer does it, and that's how they do it. Saying otherwise is wrong, incorrect, and when you blatantly argue opposite just to argue, even ignorant.

What you're saying doesn't even make sense. A gvwr is literally the gross weight the truck can weigh, grawr is it's own measurement of a rear axle rating, you can't conclude a payload based off the rear axle because rear axles are always rated higher than the manufacturer states. For instance my ram has a 3900 front and rear axle rating, yet the gbwr is only 6900 pounds, 3900 plus 3900 is not 6900, the rear axle rating only comes into factor if you don't overload the gvwr which is almost always lower than the front and rear axle rating combined. I could in theory stay under my axle rating but exceed my gvwr , and while people do it, it's still not correct, and does not ever reflect on the payload, the gvwr Trump's the grawr, always, that will never change when finding how much you can Haul. bottom line is you have to stay under your gvwr , if it's rated for 6900 pounds and you weigh 6500 pounds your "payload" is only 400 pounds, it matters not what your grawr is.

Even if you could find a truck with a payload listed, that payload is just weight added to a truck, so if you add heavier tires, you have to subtract it from the payload. Again, putting us back to the GVWR. I've even posted the articles directly from Ram stating this, in their own calculations they say this. For some reason people are under the assumption " payload " means weight added to the bed of a truck, payloads exist on honda civics, because it's a term used to associate something with hauling, which is what working people do with their work truck. That's why a payload is -always- an estimate unless you know the exact weight of your truck.

 

[chrisp2493]

"My opinion"
"Take it as my opinion"
I think you'll be fine with around 1500lbs in the back for short periods/short hauls. Take it slow and be careful. You are probably not gonna break the truck by any means. Just don't try drag racing a dot officer and you should be fine

If a f-150 can haul 3300lbs of "payload", I think our wimpy rams can handle at least half of that haha

 

[yillbs]

"My opinion"
"Take it as my opinion"
I think you'll be fine with around 1500lbs in the back for short periods/short hauls. Take it slow and be careful. You are probably not gonna break the truck by any means. Just don't try drag racing a dot officer and you should be fine

If a f-150 can haul 3300lbs of "payload", I think our wimpy rams can handle at least half of that haha

I tend to agree, just keep in mind the OP is asking about a truck with a lot of weight already in it. Adding another 1500 pounds can wreck havoc on a suspension system, even more so one without airbags. though, just for clarification, while I'm being on point with the description it doesn't mean I stick to it.. Even I am over my GVWR, but I understand, and try to cope with the added weight. I personally think throwing 1500 pounds in this lifted ram won't be an issue, just stay under 65, and don't go more than 100 miles.

 

[Totesmygoats]

A payload is not, under any circumstances a legal anything, the payload is dynamic, it changes with every truck on the road, payload is not posted on a sticker anywhere, and it's not listed on any websites, period, it can't be. You either don't understand math, or how measurements work, or both.

First rule of being a douche, be correct. You can go argue with the federal government on this one if you would like I guess. But you're so far from correct I have no desire to waste time correcting you further.

 

[chrisp2493]

I tend to agree, just keep in mind the OP is asking about a truck with a lot of weight already in it. Adding another 1500 pounds can wreck havoc on a suspension system, even more so one without airbags. though, just for clarification, while I'm being on point with the description it doesn't mean I stick to it.. Even I am over my GVWR, but I understand, and try to cope with the added weight. I personally think throwing 1500 pounds in this lifted ram won't be an issue, just stay under 65, and don't go more than 100 miles.

I'll bet the op turned his notifications off for this a long time ago lol too much bickering

 

[yillbs]

First rule of being a douche, be correct. You can go argue with the federal government on this one if you would like I guess. But you're so far from correct I have no desire to waste time correcting you further.

You're more than welcome to your opinion, I wasn't arguing with your opinion, The dodge ram brand has a GVWR that they state needs to be followed, if you don't follow it, then you aren't following the manufacturer recommendations, I specifically pointed out, the dodge / Ram brand. Bickering is extremely non-useful. So i'm glad you decided to do that.

the OP wasn't asking about anything other than HIS truck, which is a ram 1500 4x4 crew cab, so everything I outlined was accurate for what he wanted, he asked for help, and got useful information he can use in the future, you pointed out a circumstance that simply isn't useful, or accurate for half ton pickups. Also, the department of transportation states the rules very clearly, maybe you didn't read them well enough. Here you go :

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/383.5

Also, none of those images you linked to showed a " payload " limit lol

 

[yillbs]

I'll bet the op turned his notifications off for this a long time ago lol too much bickering

I think forums, in general, are used to get information. With many people giving incorrect information, it almost defeats the purpose of asking the quesiton in the first place. Answering a question, properly, is not bickering.

 

[Totesmygoats]

Also, none of those images you linked to showed a " payload " limit lol

So now that you are clearly incorrect, you want to switch to semantics to save face. Cute.

 

[marine6212]

2016 Ram Express regular cab

6350# is the max weight my truck can handle

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[yillbs]

So now that you are clearly incorrect, you want to switch to semantics to save face. Cute.

I'm sorry, if I'm wrong I do need to know. You should show me, rather than act high and mighty because your opinion dictates otherwise. You have to follow your gvwr even for do standards, unless you have a gvwr that's over 10k pounds. I've linked you to ram and the government's website, that both say this. How can you continue to say all three sources are wrong, I don't quite understand.

I've re-read what you wrote, and I think I understand what you're trying to say.

" The max available weight of this truck should not exceed ##### by cargo or passengers ", I think you're calling this the payload limit, and you're correct. That is the payload limit, It's not semantics, it's not called payload because my initial statement that you disagreed with was that payload was a real thing, it's not. It's an estimation. The max cargo capacity for all intensive purposes is the payload... but you're saying that that number does not change, and you're wrong.

Is that what you're trying to say to me, just not having the ability to use full sentences to do so?

 

[yillbs]

2016 Ram Express regular cab

6350# is the max weight my truck can handle

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That's the exact two stickers everyone should pay close attention to. your max available with cargo and passengers, and your GVWR. If you subtract the weight of your truck from the GVWR you'd end up with 1567 pounds shown on your tire sticker, if you add weight, the 1567 number goes down, pound for pound.

 

[Totesmygoats]

I'm sorry, if I'm wrong I do need to know. You should show me, rather than act high and mighty because your opinion dictates otherwise.

I did show you, you just refuse to accept it and chose instead semantics to claim you were not wrong. Which is pitiful.


You said;

A payload is not, under any circumstances a legal anything, the payload is dynamic, it changes with every truck on the road, payload is not posted on a sticker anywhere, and it's not listed on any websites, period, it can't be.

It's clearly listed on the sticker, on multiple websites, and it is a mandated rating.

Your arguing that it doesn't say "payload" is called semantics. It would be like you arguing I didn't just force your foot in your mouth because you call it your walking appendage.

but you're saying that that number does not change, and you're wrong.

Show me where I ever said that? I didn't, now you are just trying to lie to avoid being wrong.

 

[yillbs]

I did show you, you just refuse to accept it and chose instead semantics to claim you were not wrong. Which is pitiful.


You said;



It's clearly listed on the sticker, on multiple websites, and it is a mandated rating.

Your arguing that it doesn't say "payload" is called semantics. It would be like you arguing I didn't just force your foot in your mouth because you call it your walking appendage.



Show me where I ever said that? I didn't, now you are just trying to lie to avoid being wrong.

K. I wasn't aware out of all the useful information you were given you were picking the smallest portion of it to call me out as being wrong. I'm so sorry that you need to use the buzzwords because you wanted to feel specil. I stated payload wouldn't be listed anywhere because it's not real, i, as usual, am correct. Payload is pr buzzwords. If it weren't, it would be listed. That aside, you were also wrong about how the capacity of the truck is calculated. At this point it has turned into the unfortunate bickering others have pointed out, so I'll exit the conversation. Making sure you understand the argument, you're trying to save face my merely attempting to say I am. Silly goose, I said payload wasn't listed, you never showed it listed, then said I was saving face and semantics, but my entire argument about the word was always, it's not listed. It's okay, words can be hard to understand, but I think you got it now.

 

[adrianp89]

Don't really know what my limit is - had to get 1500 lbs of tile to my house - so I just rented a uhaul trailer for $20.

 

[Jaxyaks]

Just load the sod, take it easy and get it laid in already, its getting late in the season.

 

[Totesmygoats]

K. I wasn't aware out of all the useful information you were given you were picking the smallest portion of it to call me out as being wrong.

I wasn't given any information, I know everything that you think you do and more. I simply corrected the portion of your statement which was wrong. And I quoted only that portion.

You think if you say 10 right things and one wrong thing, that somehow makes it OK to say something wrong? Interesting.

I said payload wasn't listed, you never showed it listed, then said I was saving face and semantics, but my entire argument about the word was always, it's not listed. It's okay, words can be hard to understand, but I think you got it now.

Oh this is cute, trying to remember things that are written down for reference to try to be "right", you know that doesn't work right;

You said;

You have to keep in mind payload isn't real. Payload is a PR number used to tell customers how much they can haul in the bed of the pickup.

I said;

That's not true, payload is a real number, with legal ramifications. There are examples of trucks with payload less than GVWR- base weight as well, that is not always how they calculate payload. The GRAWR is taken into account in some instances.

If you want to know what's PR and what isn't, look at your door stickers.

You get all butthurt;

A payload is not, under any circumstances a legal anything, the payload is dynamic, it changes with every truck on the road, payload is not posted on a sticker anywhere, and it's not listed on any websites, period, it can't be. You either don't understand math, or how measurements work, or both.

I literally show you stickers with payload on them, the one's you claim don't exist anywhere;

First rule of being a douche, be correct. You can go argue with the federal government on this one if you would like I guess. But you're so far from correct I have no desire to waste time correcting you further.

You try to pretend they don't say that;

Also, none of those images you linked to showed a " payload " limit lol

I point out now you are trying to rely on semantics to be "right"

So now that you are clearly incorrect, you want to switch to semantics to save face. Cute.

Someone else shows you payload on a sticker;

2016 Ram Express regular cab

6350# is the max weight my truck can handle

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So now you have tried semantics, lying, and now you just want to pretend facts aren't facts. You're something really special.

 

[yillbs]

I wasn't given any information, I know everything that you think you do and more. I simply corrected the portion of your statement which was wrong. And I quoted only that portion.

You think if you say 10 right things and one wrong thing, that somehow makes it OK to say something wrong? Interesting.




Oh this is cute, trying to remember things that are written down for reference to try to be "right", you know that doesn't work right;



So now you have tried semantics, lying, and now you just want to pretend facts aren't facts. You're something really special.

k