5.7L Vs. 6.4L 2500

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you can't shove a twin turbo ecobost 3.5l v6 in a had truck. Towing with max pay load with one is nuts.. the truck just doesn't weigh enough. They have the play form with the 5.0 to convert it to a ecobost .. twin turbo v8..prolly 550 in change hp with 650 tQ.. I would trade my truck in a heart beat.. tune the ****** and cai with exhaust now it is 660-700 hp with 800tq- sign me the **** up lol.. Eco boost are awsome, we towed my buddies 28ft toy hauler fully loaded.. every big gust of wind and my but hole was puckering... thing had power for days.. no way ford puts on in a hd truck though.. Or if they do.. no one is gonna buy it.. at full pay load you could t keep the front tires on the ground. I looked real hard at a f250 with a 6.2 and having a whipple installed.. but ford wants to much money for their trucks.. I will just wait till the Eco boost the 5.0 in a hd.. hopefully it happens.. in 5 or so years.. so I can talk the wife into letting me trade lol.


Due to the intercooler and piping, a 3.5L Ecoboost F150 actually weighs more than one with a 5.0L V8 and I believe it also weighs more than the 5.7L if not the same. The 6.2L on the other hand does weigh a few hundred pounds more.
 

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auto correct really messed up my rant lol.. I am way familiar with how the f 150s do, ford is our fleet supplier, I have been in my 2012f150 with the 3.7 since late 2011. That little v6 screams.. it doesn't go any where till about 4500 rpms.. plus I have the thing wayyyyy over weight. Wish I could get them to opt for Eco boost motors.. such is life.
 
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On the fuel economy when towing thing, I have to call BS to that. Every naturally aspirated V8 that I have ever drivendors gets horrible fuel mileage when towing and I would not think that a turbocharged V6 would be any different. I have heard people talk about the 3.5L EBs fuel mileage when towing many times acting like a V8 gets great fuel mileage when towing when I know for a fact that they don't. Another thing that debunks that myth is not only did the 3.5L EB get better fuel economy than the Ram 5.7L 1500 towing in both of the PUTC they were in, but it also got better fuel mileage in the Canadian Truck Challenge as well when towing the same weight. In that PUTC test that I posted the performance numbers for earlier, the 3.5L Ecoboost got 11.1 mpg towing a 6,800 lb trailer and the 5.7L 1500 got 9.7 mpg towing the same load so I will call bull to that.

As a past owner of 2 EB F150, I will share my views.

The EB gets ******* about for mileage for 2 reasons.

1) the buyers expected EPA estimated MPG in the real world. Ford didn't help by blasting that number everywhere.

2) Towing MPG is about the same as any other 365hp/420tq gas motor.

They EB's MPG really only shines at 65mph or less empty. Above that, the motor has to work more and more to push that brick through the air. Normal highway speeds, 75-80, my buddy's 5.0 nearly matched my MPG. Towing you really have to squint to see any gain over a similar V8 truck.
 
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Well, we could go back and forth forever on the debate. In the end, Ford had to have a good reason and I am speculating like everybody else. I own 2 Fords currently so certainly supportive of there products. If they ever release a 5.0EB engine I would be in line to test drive it.

But bottom line, we're all on this forum for a reason. And other than wanting an 8 speed trans I don't have a lot to complain about.
 

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Well, we could go back and forth forever on the debate. In the end, Ford had to have a good reason and I am speculating like everybody else. I own 2 Fords currently so certainly supportive of there products. If they ever release a 5.0EB engine I would be in line to test drive it.

But bottom line, we're all on this forum for a reason. And other than wanting an 8 speed trans I don't have a lot to complain about.
I wanted 30 miles per gallon... Is that a reasonable complaint?
 

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I wanted 30 miles per gallon... Is that a reasonable complaint?



should've considered something other than that 6.4 hemi... them damn things are thirsty...

i did however see mine up near 30 when i reset the calculator on a down hill stint.... :)
 

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Well, we could go back and forth forever on the debate. In the end, Ford had to have a good reason and I am speculating like everybody else.

What is one thing ALL the current HD/SD gas V8 have that the the Ecoboost does not?

Iron Block.
 

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Yes, its a little thirsty, but RAM must have done something right by offering the 6.4. I can't believe all the former Ecoboost owners just in this thread alone.... :favorites13: :waytogo: :Big Laugh:
 

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Yes, its a little thirsty, but RAM must have done something right by offering the 6.4. I can't believe all the former Ecoboost owners just in this thread alone.... :favorites13: :waytogo: :Big Laugh:

To be honest, I still wish I had my Ecoboost. It was way more fun to drive tuned than my tuned Cummins. The only reason I got rid of it is because I needed more payload and towing than what any half ton can offer. If there was an Ecoboost variant available in an HD when I was in the market then I would have went that route instead of a Cummins just like others have stated they would do. None of the gasers in any of the HD trucks did it for me and they did not feel they had enough torque after coming from a tuned Ecoboost. When you get used to 530 lb-ft of torque, the 429lb-ft the 6.4L puts out or the amount the other gasers put out just doesn't feel like a lot especially since they get that torque at much higher rpms.
 
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To be honest, I still wish I had my Ecoboost. It was way more fun to drive tuned than my tuned Cummins. The only reason I got rid of it is because I needed more payload and towing than what any half ton can offer. If there was an Ecoboost variant available in an HD when I was in the market then I would have went that route instead of a Cummins just like others have stated they would do. None of the gasers in any of the HD trucks did it for me and they did not feel they had enough torque after come from a tuned Ecoboost. When you get used to 530 lb-ft of torque, the 429lb-ft the 6.4L puts out or the amount the other gasers put out just doesn't feel like a lot especially since they get tgat torque at much higher rpms.

I can't wait for my new Ram to get here.
 

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They de-tuned it to meet the EPA and, CARB requirements.

I agree, that & MPG. I think if the economy gets a little better they will unleash a monster. A truck version of the 707hp SCAT Pac. It's just not financially feasible for anybody right now.
 

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To be honest, I still wish I had my Ecoboost.

Clearly you are a ford fan, Im not sure why you are here. I think you belong on f150forum, with all the other "ecoboost is god" people.

You talk about high rpm being an engine killer, but dont consider that high boost at low rpm with a big trailer generates A LOT of load on the motor and trans in your towing example. Good way to pop that little **** motor, similar to what happens with all those blown head gasket diesels (that you also love so much).

Which one is better, big v8 vs turbo 6? hard to say, but the ford isnt an obvious winner as you claim.

People, including ford, have been selling/driving turbo vehicles since the 80s. Turbocoupes, SVO mustangs, etc. The whole "ecoboost" scam is silly, just a ploy to play on noobs who dont understand anything about automobiles. Its just a turbo motor. Plain and simple.

I wouldnt hold your breathe on a ecoboost 3/4 ton, trying to tune something like that so that your average noob, driving along in the 105 degree heat WOT in the hills with a 18klb load, doesnt blow it up is going to be almost impossible. Thats why there is sooo much room on diesel tunes (and ecoboost)... not because the factory engineers are morons, because they have to support EVERY buyer out there. Most of which arent very bright.
 

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Clearly you are a ford fan, Im not sure why you are here. I think you belong on f150forum, with all the other "ecoboost is god" people.


Actually I am an every truck fan. I don't limit myself to liking just one brand and I think doing so is silly. There are things from every brand that I like and dislike. For example, while I like Ram HD diesel trucks better, I don't think Ram makes the best half ton out there from my personal experiences.


You talk about high rpm being an engine killer, but dont consider that high boost at low rpm with a big trailer generates A LOT of load on the motor and trans in your towing example. Good way to pop that little **** motor, similar to what happens with all those blown head gasket diesels (that you also love so much).

Yes, high rpm is one of the major factors of decreasing the life of an engine. Moving parts cause wear, and the faster they move the more they wear. Although your high boost scenario that you are speaking of is not a killer IF the engine is built to handle said pressure. Just like a diesel is "over built" to handle the pressures of turbocharged compression ignition, so can gas motors which is clearly the case with the Ecoboost being that it has beefier internals than the average engine with steel cylinder sleeves rather than iron, and six bolt mains where most are only four.

Of course if you increase boost too much then yes you can blow a head gasket especially if it isn't designed to handle that much pressure just like the guys who increased the boost 50 psi on their diesels and were blowing head gaskets left and right. However, going back to what I said above of things being designed to handle the stress, an aftermarket head gasket made to handle that much stress over the OE head gasket that was only designed to handle up to 40 psi. My towing tune on my Ecoboost was at 410 hp and 530 lb-ft and the boost never spiked over 20 psi which is only 5 psi over stock. That is not much. I also know for a fact that the 6R80 transmission in the F150 was designed to handle 590 lb-ft which my 530 lb-ft was well below that.

Blown head gaskets and burnt trannies are due to dumb****s back in the day who just bought a tuner to increase engine power only and did not do anything to beef up the rest of the truck to handle said power. They did nothing to increase the line pressure on the transmission to keep it from slipping from all that extra power or defuel the engine to keep the EGTs in check. If you build the transmission to handle the added power, then you would have no problems. This is why ATS and other trans manufacturers sell transmission stages because they are built to handle the added power depending on how much you want to add.

So it depends if said engine or transmission is built to handle said stress. If it is build to handle it then there should not be any issue with longevity.



People, including ford, have been selling/driving turbo vehicles since the 80s. Turbocoupes, SVO mustangs, etc. The whole "ecoboost" scam is silly, just a ploy to play on noobs who dont understand anything about automobiles. Its just a turbo motor. Plain and simple.


Older oil cooled turbos with port injection are a lot different than the modern oil-water cooled turbos with direct injection so yes the combination of both in newer trucks makes a BIG difference.

Older turbos only relied on oil to cool down the bearings which is fine when the engine is running, but the real killer is when the engine gets turned off and all the heat from the exhaust will soak into the turbo housing. Since the engine was not running and there was no oil going through the turbo housing to cool the bearings down, then turbo housing gets hotter than what it would with the engine running. This would burn the existing oil in the bearing housing or "coke" it into the housing which is bad for a turbo. This is why it was recommended for people to let the engine idle for a few minutes before shutting it off to let the turbos and exhaust to cool down. Problem was, most people with these vehicles did not abide by this.

Another thing is the port injection. Port injection does not allow for precise timing of fuel delivery and fuel can only be added on the intake stroke. This causes a problem with fuel pre-detonation which is why most turbo engines back then required premium fuel and had a high compression ratio.

Modern turbos are oil and water cooled which not only is an added cooling when the engine is on, but also keeps the turbos cooled when the engine is off. If arranged correctly, the system creates a "thermal siphon" so that there is a continuous stream of coolant flowing through the turbo until it is cool enough where "coking" will not occur. Add the precise fueling of direct injection to the mix and it does not require you to have such high compression ratios or higher octane fuel requirement as the older turbo vehicle you spoke of.

There are other things that modern engines like the Ecoboost use to cool down the engine like injecting fuel on the exhaust stroke or utilising oil squirters on pistons.


I wouldnt hold your breathe on a ecoboost 3/4 ton, trying to tune something like that so that your average noob, driving along in the 105 degree heat WOT in the hills with a 18klb load, doesnt blow it up is going to be almost impossible.


I don't have to hold my breath because I know it is coming. Although, even the 6.4L or my Cummins in my 2500 is rated for 18k so why would you put that kind of weight on the Ecoboost? Remember what I said about being within it's designs earlier.


Thats why there is sooo much room on diesel tunes (and ecoboost)... not because the factory engineers are morons, because they have to support EVERY buyer out there. Most of which arent very bright.


Modern engines are tuned for emissions first, and diesel and Ecoboost engines have turbos. This is why you can get so much out of them while still being safe.
 
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thanks for the lecture, and speaking to me like its my first day on the job. Good luck with your ecoboost love.
 

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To both of you! What does this have to do with 5.7 vs 6.4 as the original thread was titled?

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Nothing, just hate ford nut huggers.

Why would anyone want the 5.7 when the 6.4 is available? case closed!
 

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Money maybe. Needs. Availability. Impulse buyers! Who knows.

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Lot's of turbo vehicles used water cool center sections in the 80's, this is nothing new. Port injections works just fine with turbo's and DI, while beneficial, is done for a variety of reasons. It's not the end-all solution for turbocharged vehicles. Heat and detonation kills motors more quickly than anything, high RPM's are not a major issue if the motor is designed for it.

I have 2 Ford's currently and like you, don't limit myself to a single manufacture. But I don't repeatedly post comments praising the Ford while bashing Dodge for whatever reason. It's just trolling to start trouble and obviously no one here wants to hear it. So move on and post your accolades in the F150 forums where they belong.
 
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