Synthetic Oil

Oil of Choice

  • Castrol Syntec/Edge

    Votes: 236 8.5%
  • Royal Purple

    Votes: 327 11.8%
  • AMSOil

    Votes: 400 14.4%
  • Valvoline Synpower

    Votes: 160 5.8%
  • Mobil 1

    Votes: 994 35.8%
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Wild one

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But there's viscosity, and there's flow rate. They are inversely proportional. Higher viscosity does no good if it can't get to the part - which is where machine design comes in.

The galley and part clearances have to be wide enough for the viscosity of oil needed to keep the parts separated by the oil. If the design goofs up one or the other, the parts are underlubricated.

Which I think is the problem here. The lifter body scuffing is indicative of insufficient lubrication of the bore. Again, I'm unclear if the oil galley feeds every lifter bore, or only the MDS lifters.

Anyway, this is why I leave MDS on when dead-heading (no load), to sporadically feed the MDS lifter bores. It's also why I'm careful to balance oil viscosity to be heavy enough to lower wear but light enough to flow sufficiently to small galleys and parts. Plus low flow resistant oil filters.
The hemi has 4 lifter oil galleries,that each feed one set of mds lifters and one set of non-mds lifters.The mds solenoids restrict oil flow to the lifter bores when mds is disengaged,basically starving the lifter bores,which has been known to lead to lifter scuffing.
 

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The hemi has 4 lifter oil galleries,that each feed one set of mds lifters and one set of non-mds lifters.The mds solenoids restrict oil flow to the lifter bores when mds is disengaged,basically starving the lifter bores,which has been known to lead to lifter scuffing.

Well, cool.

I also recall though that lifter roller seizure occurred prior to MDS implementation?
 

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Also another great oil for a 6.4 hemi or hellcat if your cool enough to have one is driven DT40. Its loaded with zddp, boron, and 600 ppm moly. Lower calcium level (1700) and has a TBN of around 8. Its PAO/mPAO/POE i dont have a pds though someone woild have to ask driven for one. They will give one i have one for their FR20 oil
Listening to what you are saying man. Appreciate your posts. I dont hang around here much at all any more but used to live here for a handful of years. Had to come look after what My man Mike was sayin.

Good stuff brofessor.

Question,
Anywhere else I can find this for way less than $19 a quart? If not your off your rocker….hard to argue with 11.89 a quart of SS0W40 but ill put my money where my mouth is at the end of this OCI. And if its not good….ill change. Im not a fan boy of any oil anymore

Nice to meet you sir :cool:


 
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Well, cool.

I also recall though that lifter roller seizure occurred prior to MDS implementation?
MDS has been around from word go on the 3rd generation hemi engines.When they brought the hemi back in 03 it was designed with MDS in place.The 5.7 heavy dutie trucks didn't employ mds until i think somewhere around 13 or 14,and all 6 speed manual transmission Challengers are mds delete,but all 1500's have had mds.
 

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Listening to what you are saying man. Appreciate your posts. I dont hang around here much at all any more but used to live here for a handful of years. Had to come look after what My man Mike was sayin.

Good stuff brofessor.

Question,
Anywhere else I can find this for way less than $19 a quart? If not your off your rocker….hard to argue with 11.89 a quart of SS0W40 but ill put my money where my mouth is at the end of this OCI. And if its not good….ill change. Im not a fan boy of any oil anymore

Nice to meet you sir :cool:


I checked a few sites and summit has it for 15.99 a quart! Dang stuff used to be like 11.49. Ive seen a few nice looking UOAs with porsche engines as it was developed specifically for those engines but on their website it says "compatible with german, british, and italian sports cars as well as chrysler 6.4 hemis"


Same price on drivens website to

Ill try and ask them for a pds to
 

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I checked a few sites and summit has it for 15.99 a quart! Dang stuff used to be like 11.49. Ive seen a few nice looking UOAs with porsche engines as it was developed specifically for those engines but on their website it says "compatible with german, british, and italian sports cars as well as chrysler 6.4 hemis"


Same price on drivens website to

Ill try and ask them for a pds to
Yah,

Bidenomics at play here. Great isnt it? When the price of redline jumped and I already had seen great UOA’s on Amsoil SS out of hemi’s i jumped ship and went back to SS 0w40 and just do 5,000 mile changes now. Be done with it.

Redline I could get away with 7,000 miles. My truck eats TBN tho so i could not go past 7,000 with redline.
 

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Yah,

Bidenomics at play here. Great isnt it? When the price of redline jumped and I already had seen great UOA’s on Amsoil SS out of hemi’s i jumped ship and went back to SS 0w40 and just do 5,000 mile changes now. Be done with it.

Redline I could get away with 7,000 miles. My truck eats TBN tho so i could not go past 7,000 with redline.
Sure is lovely!

Idk what my truck does with TBN never had a UOA. Was going to after the hpl supercar change but i drained the oil into a dirty pan and then dropped the sample on the ground lol

Where abouts in michigan are you from? I see your profile says from michigan
 

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MDS has been around from word go on the 3rd generation hemi engines.When they brought the hemi back in 03 it was designed with MDS in place.The 5.7 heavy dutie trucks didn't employ mds until i think somewhere around 13 or 14,and all 6 speed manual transmission Challengers are mds delete,but all 1500's have had mds.
Don’t think the 5.7 heavy duty’s ever got the mds at all. When the 6.4 was put in the trucks that’s when mds started I believe.
 

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Lovely! I debated on using it to! They developed that oil against mobil 1 FS 0w40. They had less wear and a lower coefficient of friction than mobil 1
I had planned to run this oci to 7500, then the next send a sample out at 7000 to have it looked at.

Cold oil pressure idle is around 61 or 62. Touches 69-70 when moving until warm then idle hot is 52-53 and 60 at partial throttle.

It is a noticeable difference in valvetrain noise compared to the schaffers already. Longtubes definitely amplify any chatter.
 

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My biggest worry when I went to the 6.2 pil pump was excessive pressure. Wanted the volume at similar pressures so happy with it
 

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I had planned to run this oci to 7500, then the next send a sample out at 7000 to have it looked at.

Cold oil pressure idle is around 61 or 62. Touches 69-70 when moving until warm then idle hot is 52-53 and 60 at partial throttle.

It is a noticeable difference in valvetrain noise compared to the schaffers already. Longtubes definitely amplify any chatter.
Sounds like you got my dream setup if i ever need a cam
 

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My biggest worry when I went to the 6.2 pil pump was excessive pressure. Wanted the volume at similar pressures so happy with it
You can generate the same idle pressures with the stock pump,by upping the idle rpm to 750 rpm.The cam lobes and lifter rollers are still lubricated by the oil flung off the crank,as there is no pressurized oil fed to the lobe or wheel. My truck hot idles at 51/52 psi,and runs down the road at just under 60 psi with the stock pump and dual remote filters.
It also sees 6600 rpm several times every week-end at the track,lol
 

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You can generate the same idle pressures with the stock pump,by upping the idle rpm to 750 rpm.The cam lobes and lifter rollers are still lubricated by the oil flung off the crank,as there is no pressurized oil fed to the lobe or wheel. My truck hot idles at 51/52 psi,and runs down the road at just under 60 psi with the stock pump and dual remote filters.
It also sees 6600 rpm several times every week-end at the track,lol
I believe my idle is set at 750-770 currently. Would have to ask my tuner the specific spot for it.

Dual filters?! A filter relocation set up is in my future.
 
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