Looks like I'm never buying RAM again...

Docwagon1776 said:

People are surprised a performance engine that makes roughly 150 hp more than the engine it replaces gets worse fuel economy? Get the V6 if you're worried about fuel economy.

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the irony of buying a truck and being upset it doesn't get good fuel economy. These are the same people who will spend 100k for a diesel truck "to get better fuel economy" only to pay more for maintenance and diesel fuel than gas more often than not, and never use it for what it's intended.

Ram Engineers are working to create a substitute for the Hemi tick in the new 6 cylinder engines.

The new inline 6 turbo charged engines certainly look good on paper as compared to the HEMI and every test drive report I have read is very positive. Only complaint is the the exhaust sound

Black-Wolf said:

So, on a whim, I headed over to RAM's website to check out trucks (I like to "window shop" occasionally) - and I was sorely disappointed to discover that they're no longer going to produce any V8 trucks... I hate anything that is 6- or 4- cylinder and refuse to buy anything with those type of engines. So, needless to say, unless I go with something used, or they decide to start producing V8s again, I'll never be buying a RAM truck again. That sucks, because they HAD (IMHO) the best trucks on the market. The 2024 TRX is way overpriced as well - and it's going to be the last model with a V8.

That being said, what are your thoughts on this?

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I was the same... V8 or nothing... Till I realized the diesel (my first) was a 6 cyl.
As far as gassers, I totally agree. The V6 might work out great but it's still a built up, overworked 6. It will be a long time before anyone can convince me that a V6 will last just as long as a V8 in the same vehicle.

The single (IMHO) greatest engine ever put into a truck that made it stand far and above anything on the road is a straight 6 cylinder. Albeit diesel, no other manufacturer has the clout that Dodge Ram and Cummins has. The engines going into the trucks will be straight sixes as I understand with one of them starting out, and I say starting out, at 500 horsepower. Horsepower and torque are just that. Doesn't matter if it comes from a 4, 6, 8, 10, or 12 cylinder,

The reason I found Ram in the first place is that I was sold an F-150 with a turbo charged V6 that had tons of power - would light up the back tires and got 24 MPG.... until I hooked up my 35' RV trailer to it and got 5 MPG pulling it! So I found the new 2016 Ram 2500 6.7 Diesel. Same hookup and I got 12 or 13 MPG pulling the trailer. After 100k, I had he DEF stuff deleted and, honestly, got 29 MPG driving home from the shop that did the delete. Since then, I easily get 15 MPG pulling the RV, and up to 25MPG on my long trips not pulling. I always get around 20 in the city. For me, I say ditch the Hemi and go Diesel. Now with over 300k miles, it still runs like a scalded dog and, other than a tranny rebuild, has had exactly zero problems. They say the diesel will go 1 million miles, but you go through 3 transmissions getting there... Good luck with your trek for a truck!

Black-Wolf said:

So, on a whim, I headed over to RAM's website to check out trucks (I like to "window shop" occasionally) - and I was sorely disappointed to discover that they're no longer going to produce any V8 trucks... I hate anything that is 6- or 4- cylinder and refuse to buy anything with those type of engines. So, needless to say, unless I go with something used, or they decide to start producing V8s again, I'll never be buying a RAM truck again. That sucks, because they HAD (IMHO) the best trucks on the market. The 2024 TRX is way overpriced as well - and it's going to be the last model with a V8.

That being said, what are your thoughts on this?

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Might be worth a drive to get a new 2023. Sure they are around you, saw Tony Domiano in Scranton PA has a bunch with V8s. I bought from there and I drove up from DC metro area.

Technology eventually catches up with most everything.
When Formula 1 made the switch, there was complaints from every direction. "no way any little 6 cylinder will perform better than these V-10's".
How'd that turn out?
When I was much younger, us here in the High Country swore that little in-line 4's were the best for off-road due to the power to weight ratio.
Electrically powered semi-tractors? It's happening.
I don't necessarily like it either, but...
Cuba maybe where old cars rule?

I just saw Biden said by 2027 all new vehicles are going to be electric. I don’t know how that will work but nonetheless he proclaimed it.

Bonnie Blue Flag said:

I have read that the 6.4 Hemi like the one I have will still be available on the HD versions.

Times are changing and the Government is forcing it with heavy fines on auto manufacturers who don't meet mileage standards as a whole. The HEMI is a casualty of the green revolution going on.

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I just read an article a couple of days ago about the new Hurricane inline six they are going to put in the RAM ... There is a standard version and a High Output version ... The HO version mileage is a bit worse than the 5.7 Hemi and the standard version is only slightly better or the same depending on the terrain you drive in ... But both have higher HP and Torque than the 5.7 ...

Scottly said:

In the early 1980's, Dodge said goodbye to V8's...Until they figured out consumers wouldn't buy those turbo 4cyls they were putting into everything. Oh yea, goodbye to RWD...Yea, that lasted a long time....Not.

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Dodge always had V8's in trucks in the 1980's , now a V10 Hemi? that's a nice thought,
along with me losing 20 yrs.

tjfdesmo said:

There is a smidge more to the story, though, as the SO has more horsepower, and a much better/fatter torque curve than the 5.7 Hemi. What are you going to compare the HO to? The Scat Pack 392 has never appeared in the 1500, and the Hellcat TRX is a whole 'nother animal.

I am a V-8 fan, but if the Hurricane proves reliable I'd have no hesitation buying one.

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Never in the history of automobiles have turbos been more reliable than a naturally aspirated engine.

metalmike2016 said:

I just saw Biden said by 2027 all new vehicles are going to be electric. I don’t know how that will work but nonetheless he proclaimed it.

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Canada has said 2035 I think, I will not be around , nor will the ******* PM that said it, I hope or we are screwed.

Docwagon1776 said:

People are surprised a performance engine that makes roughly 150 hp more than the engine it replaces gets worse fuel economy? Get the V6 if you're worried about fuel economy.

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Why can't we have the V8 and enjoy the best of both worlds?

Marshall said:

Dodge always had V8's in trucks in the 1980's , now a V10 Hemi? that's a nice thought,
along with me losing 20 yrs.

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The v8's were an option...The slant 6 was installed in Dodge trucks until the end of the 1987 model year, when the v6..which was a 318 with 2 cylinders lopped off it...replaced it, namely in the Dakota, because the slant 6 wouldn't fit the Dakota.

Scottly said:

The v8's were an option...The slant 6 was installed in Dodge trucks until the end of the 1987 model year, when the v6..which was a 318 with 2 cylinders lopped off it...replaced it, namely in the Dakota, because the slant 6 wouldn't fit the Dakota.

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A Dodge Dakota was my first truck. 1988 I think. V6.

Just bought a left over '23 yesterday, some good deals on those right now. I (well my wife...) wanted to wait until the end of this year for various reasons. I very much wanted the 5.7 and not the new I6 turbo. I figure the I6 will probably be fine, but didn't want a gen1 engine. Additionally, I don't see the need for adding complication to the engine for no benefit to the consumer. I do realize it's all EPA driven. Plus they are trying to be competitive with Ford and Toyota. Chevy will apparently be the last one to sell a V8 as standard equipment. This is also the last year of the Nissan Titan.

I just had this conversation on the way to drop off my 12yo son at school. He mentioned liking the sound, so I gave him a full explanation of V8 vs. V6 turbo and why I wanted the V8.

You can still get the V8 from Ford. Though I was looking because they were my second choice. You CAN find a V8, but it's not easy. Most are one of the EB engines. If someone really wanted a V8 F150 5.0 Coyote (not the 6.2), they would probably be best off ordering one.

Similar to the auto start/stop tech, it does not benefit the consumer at all. The salesman yesterday even advised "you will ALWAYS want to disable that. Otherwise, your starter will wear out quicker." So thanks, but no thanks.

While we're on that subject, is there a way to permanently disable the start stop? Tuner or something?

BenWade said:

Never in the history of automobiles have turbos been more reliable than a naturally aspirated engine.

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Did I say "more reliable"? How reliable is reliable? 200K, 300K? For the vast majority of owners, a gas engine that goes 200K without major failures would likely be considered "reliable". There will likely be teething issues, but I'd wager the Hurricane will do that.

Oh, and having owned an old 2.3 Turbo Volvo "tractor engine", I can safely say they were more reliable than the normally aspirated PVR V-6 they also used. Just one example.

I’ve personally seen too many turbo trucks go down at work. My v8 just keeps running

reason for the inline dual turbo 6 cylinder Huricane engine is that paying a fine for the HEMI engine is costing Stelantis about 2 billion a year to EPA because of corporate fuel economy. It also reflects on the cost of the Ram truck especially with the Hemi engine. The new Hurricane engine gets better fuel economy and more HP and torque up to 420 hp for the standard and 469 ftlbs torque. The High Output gets 540 hp and 521 ftlbs torque. So its a more powerful engine and with turbo it maintains its power when going to high altitude like Colorado mountains on I-70 or others where the air is thinner. The bad is that you don't get the good ole Hemi sound that we all will miss.