Looks like I'm never buying RAM again...

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I don't get attached to the vehicles I drive. That's not to say there aren't several I really liked, my current ram truck being one of them. These days I usually buy used and pay cash. I buy based on cost, not payment (the dealership salesmen have never been able to understand that).

I just can't justify new price for a truck so my 2017 classic will just have to do for a few years, at least. That will give me plenty of time to see how these new engines work out when I'm ready for another used one. I wouldn't hesitate to go with one of the new turbo 6's. Better than that would be the new ramcharger (I definitely couldn't justify that price new). For me, it's all about dependability, horse power, torque, price, and whether I can make a trip in it without feeling crippled when I get out of the truck, not what particular engine it has in it.
I too, buy based on cost, and pay it off (if I don't buy it outright) as early as possible - usually within 2-3 years max. I would LOVE to buy a brand new car just once for myself, but I'm super pleased with my used RAM which was only a year old when I bought it - at a much better price than I could ever have gotten with a new truck. Paid $40k for her, and a new truck with the same bells/whistles would have been over $80k. A new truck like what I wanted (a Rebel) was going for $90+... Can't justify the monthly payments for brand new if it's gonna cost almost as much as mortgage payment (at the time).
 

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What I'm looking for is people's thoughts on the whole thing - am I right in feeling/believing that RAM has made a bad decision to follow this track? I didn't see anything specifically about this in the forums, but I'm sure you're right that this has been discussed already. What is the general consensus (is it good/bad)? Whatever anyone's thoughts are on this - other than being snide or rude - would be great to hear. If you don't want to deal with my post, or if you feel it's been beat to death - don't read it, and don't bother replying. I've seen 100's of posts here where the answers were already in the forums - but I either try to be helpful or just don't answer - esp. if I see other's have already answered.
This topic HAS been discussed in many different ways on lots of different forums. You asked for peoples' thoughts on it, and they gave their thoughts.

To be totally fair, if you're not going to like the answer(s), don't ask the question.

However, on to what you might consider a more "constructive" answer, RAM isn't the only one doing this. All manufacturers are basically going to be forced to comply with new "green" style regulations, and change their offerings to something more "acceptable" to the supposed experts that decide this sh... er, stuff. So they either adjust their offerings, or can't do business anymore. Loose translation, V8s are going away.
 

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What “help” do you want? You clearly already made up your mind and no one else’s thoughts are going to change that. This is old news anyways and the topic has already been thoroughly exhausted in other threads.
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So, I asked for OPINIONS and COMMENTS - not threats, or A-hole comments. If you can't be nice, don't f-ing say it. Give me your point of view - and explain why I am potentially wrong in MY opinion. Otherwise, you can get lost. Some of you don't know how to be polite, and need a lesson or two. Others of you are "internet warriors" who hide behind your posts and in reality, aren't worth jack. I don't insult anyone here - and I try to provide valuable insight and guidance, to help others, and to ask appropriate questions. I think it's time for an admin to come clean house. I realize not every post is meant to be threatening - but how should I take it when someone says "I should kiss on the end of a wet fist"? Want to fight? Seriously? Grow the f up. I'm too old to fight and will just deal with you in a different way. "Don't let the door kick me in the **** on the way out - and you hope it does"... Seriously? That's the most constructive thing you can say? You need help. Seriously. You have a bad attitude and **** poor reasoning skills. Your next response will probably prove my point. The shame of it is both of you are either senior or supporting members. Should be more mature than that.
 

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So, on a whim, I headed over to RAM's website to check out trucks (I like to "window shop" occasionally) - and I was sorely disappointed to discover that they're no longer going to produce any V8 trucks... I hate anything that is 6- or 4- cylinder and refuse to buy anything with those type of engines. So, needless to say, unless I go with something used, or they decide to start producing V8s again, I'll never be buying a RAM truck again. That sucks, because they HAD (IMHO) the best trucks on the market. The 2024 TRX is way overpriced as well - and it's going to be the last model with a V8.

That being said, what are your thoughts on this?
I can understand your thought, but the V8 is dying. My local Chevy dealers are offering 1.9% on 72 months for a v8 purchase because No one is buying. CAFE standards and green policies are killing it.
 
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I can understand your thought, but the V8 is dying. My local Chevy dealers are offering 1.9% on 72 months for a v8 purchase because No one is buying. CAFE standards and green policies are killing it.
Thanks for providing valuable feedback. Chances are, next time I'm looking for a truck I'll wind up buying either a 2500 (as they apparently still have a V8 option) or getting a used 2024 or earlier 1500 with a V8.
 

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So, I asked for OPINIONS and COMMENTS - not threats, or A-hole comments. If you can't be nice, don't f-ing say it. Give me your point of view - and explain why I am potentially wrong in MY opinion. Otherwise, you can get lost. Some of you don't know how to be polite, and need a lesson or two. Others of you are "internet warriors" who hide behind your posts and in reality, aren't worth jack. I don't insult anyone here - and I try to provide valuable insight and guidance, to help others, and to ask appropriate questions. I think it's time for an admin to come clean house. I realize not every post is meant to be threatening - but how should I take it when someone says "I should kiss on the end of a wet fist"? Want to fight? Seriously? Grow the f up. I'm too old to fight and will just deal with you in a different way. "Don't let the door kick me in the **** on the way out - and you hope it does"... Seriously? That's the most constructive thing you can say? You need help. Seriously. You have a bad attitude and **** poor reasoning skills. Your next response will probably prove my point. The shame of it is both of you are either senior or supporting members. Should be more mature than that.
And again, you asked for opinions and comments. You not liking them does not change the FACT that people have given what you had asked for.. As far as "poor reasoning skills", try looking in the mirror a little more. For the most part, this tirade of yours, IMO, started when you didn't like the information some legit responses were giving. And then it went downhill from there (from you and others).
 

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I can understand your thought, but the V8 is dying. My local Chevy dealers are offering 1.9% on 72 months for a v8 purchase because No one is buying. CAFE standards and green policies are killing it.

How are CAFE standards and green policies killing demand for something that's on the lot?

I think we're more seeing price sensitivity among customers now that borrowing money isn't free and MSRPs have peaked.

Plus...Chevy: "Let's take our biggest thirstiest motor, make it use premium gas, put a peanut sized fuel tank in it, use the weakest transfer case of the big 3, create a shifter that makes the Ram's dial shifter look like genius, and slap a smooth-jazz-only Bose sound system in it...then make it *all* grill on the front end and raise MSRP to eleventy-million bucks" Chevy prices are stupid. Compare the ZR2 to the Ford Tremor 5.0... I get there's some features the Chevy has the Ford doesn't, but you gotta really really value that front locker...
 

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How are CAFE standards and green policies killing demand for something that's on the lot?

I think we're more seeing price sensitivity among customers now that borrowing money isn't free and MSRPs have peaked.

Plus...Chevy: "Let's take our biggest thirstiest motor, make it use premium gas, put a peanut sized fuel tank in it, use the weakest transfer case of the big 3, create a shifter that makes the Ram's dial shifter look like genius, and slap a smooth-jazz-only Bose sound system in it...then make it *all* grill on the front end and raise MSRP to eleventy-million bucks" Chevy prices are stupid. Compare the ZR2 to the Ford Tremor 5.0... I get there's some features the Chevy has the Ford doesn't, but you gotta really really value that front locker...
I was referring to the lack of continuation of the builds. Gas prices and inflation are affecting the purchases of what are on the lots.
 

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I don't care what's under the hood, as long as it has the power/torque to get the job done. The I6 has more power and torque, it comes on sooner, and is slightly more efficient. What's not to like?

Will I miss the sound of a V8? Sure. Let's not dismiss the fact that the Hemi was/is getting long in the tooth without any major redesigns of it for 15 years. FCA sunk their R&D budget in to the Hurricane platform. Time will tell if that was a smart decision.
 

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You know what concerns me more then the "lose" of the hemi;
it's the lack of choice of interior colors and the loss of a decent bench seat, as well as the scarcity a decent bed length.
The hemi is/was a decent motor, I liked the eco-diesel more and it's gone also.
The inline turbo'ed 6 isn't a motor I would look forward too but we shall see.
 

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I will take a v8 any day.

Don't get me wrong, the hurricane looks pretty impressive. Only time will tell how it holds up.

I believe there is more that can go wrong that can be very expensive, plus the I6 simply has to work harder for not much gain, IMO.

I bought a v8 because I wanted a v8. I knew it was gonna potentially use more gas. My '15 SLT hemi with 188k miles just got me 21mpg on an 800 mile trip. Pretty impressive.

Not sure what I will have down the road (or if I will be able to afford it, lol), but I will keep my current Ram until the wheels fall off if possible.

I hope and pray that manufacturers and the ones that make the rules that brought us to this point come to their senses, but don't think it's ever gonna happen until the people rein them in, and that means taking a stand, making changes, and not buying the junk they're pushing.
 
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What I'm looking for is people's thoughts on the whole thing - am I right in feeling/believing that RAM has made a bad decision to follow this track? I didn't see anything specifically about this in the forums, but I'm sure you're right that this has been discussed already. What is the general consensus (is it good/bad)? Whatever anyone's thoughts are on this - other than being snide or rude - would be great to hear. If you don't want to deal with my post, or if you feel it's been beat to death - don't read it, and don't bother replying. I've seen 100's of posts here where the answers were already in the forums - but I either try to be helpful or just don't answer - esp. if I see other's have already answered.
What you are looking for is an argument, and guaranteed, you won't like the answers.
 

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What ever happened to the ones saying they need a shifter on the column. There will always will be someone that`s not happy about something.
OOOOh, shifter on the column... And a bench seat. Now we're talkin'!
 
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