How To: 13-14 premium cluster upgrade

[Jared4.7]

yeah most of what i have found on car-part have been 3.5's listed as 7's and i have been looking mainly for 14's, weren't there some issues with the TPMS when using early 13's cluster with 14 trucks?

My cluster is out of a 13 and is living in my 14. The TPMS is 100%. Engine idle hours is stuck at 9 and never counts but driven hours counts on up. When I searched it seemed like there was a boat load of people with engine hours that stick at some number and never move. Chrysler didn't seem to have a remedy.

-JT

 

[SitKneelBend]

My cluster is out of a 13 and is living in my 14. The TPMS is 100%. Engine idle hours is stuck at 9 and never counts but driven hours counts on up. When I searched it seemed like there was a boat load of people with engine hours that stick at some number and never move. Chrysler didn't seem to have a remedy.

-JT

Mine came out of a 2013 as well and I have zero issues with the TPMS on my 2014. My Engine hours are not an issue for me. Are you sure you're just not idling all that much? My idle has only gone up 2 hours in about 2-3 months. Did you have the engine hours matched or does it still have the values from the donor vehicle?

I ask because it appears some of the values are saved from the old vehicle (for a time at least). For example, the oil life gauge was stuck at 17% for over 1000 miles because the truck that this cluster came out of had over 8000 miles on it. My truck only had about 1600 miles on it so it would not begin counting again until it reached the old trucks mileage. Resetting the gauge corrected the issue.

The same goes for the trip meters. After correcting the mileage one of my trip meters reported my average MPH to be 180 and I was still getting 16.6MPG (must be the Pentastar)! Resetting that trip corrected that reading as well.

 

[bobbo7915]

ok, i'll widen my search to include 13's then too

 

[Jared4.7]

Mine came out of a 2013 as well and I have zero issues with the TPMS on my 2014. My Engine hours are not an issue for me. Are you sure you're just not idling all that much? My idle has only gone up 2 hours in about 2-3 months. Did you have the engine hours matched or does it still have the values from the donor vehicle?

I ask because it appears some of the values are saved from the old vehicle (for a time at least). For example, the oil life gauge was stuck at 17% for over 1000 miles because the truck that this cluster came out of had over 8000 miles on it. My truck only had about 1600 miles on it so it would not begin counting again until it reached the old trucks mileage. Resetting the gauge corrected the issue.

The same goes for the trip meters. After correcting the mileage one of my trip meters reported my average MPH to be 180 and I was still getting 16.6MPG (must be the Pentastar)! Resetting that trip corrected that reading as well.

ICS set all mile/hour values for me. Engine hours hasn't changed since I three the cluster in. I used remote start a lot over the winter so I know it idled a good bit. Still at 9 hours, whatever. I reset every counter I could soon as I got it all buttoned in. Everything else is as it should be. I can try resetting stuff again. I know mileage is accruing accurately. Right at 2.4 miles to get home as calculated with my old cluster, new cluster and GPS. My truck still hasn't hit 4000 miles yet and I've had it for almost a year.

-JT

 

[cgeorgemo]

I've got a 13 cluster in mine and I had no trouble. One that I sold gave a member trouble but then worked fine for another member when I resold it.

 

[SitKneelBend]

ICS set all mile/hour values for me. Engine hours hasn't changed since I three the cluster in. I used remote start a lot over the winter so I know it idled a good bit. Still at 9 hours, whatever. I reset every counter I could soon as I got it all buttoned in. Everything else is as it should be. I can try resetting stuff again. I know mileage is accruing accurately. Right at 2.4 miles to get home as calculated with my old cluster, new cluster and GPS. My truck still hasn't hit 4000 miles yet and I've had it for almost a year.

-JT

Hmmm...most of your idle is with remote start then? Maybe the ignition needs to be "turned" on in order for it to accrue idle hours? I don't have a remote start on this truck yet. An easy way to find out would be to let the truck idle for an hour (or less) with the key fob in the ignition. A waste of gas but it would answer the question.

 

[cgeorgemo]

Hmmm...most of your idle is with remote start then? Maybe the ignition needs to be "turned" on in order for it to accrue idle hours? I don't have a remote start on this truck yet. An easy way to find out would be to let the truck idle for an hour (or less) with the key fob in the ignition. A waste of gas but it would answer the question.

I'll say again that mine calculates the mileage and idling time including the time it's idling after I remote start. New cluster and old cluster both calculated the idling time after remote start.

 

[Jared4.7]

I don't know what to do with it. Kinda to the point where I don't care. Miles are racking up and everything else works.

-JT

 

[SitKneelBend]

I don't know what to do with it. Kinda to the point where I don't care. Miles are racking up and everything else works.

-JT

How about disconnecting the battery overnight? You'll have to redo some of your menu options but it could be worse.

 

[cgeorgemo]

How about disconnecting the battery overnight? You'll have to redo some of your menu options but it could be worse.

Not sure how this would help since it was disconnected from the battery the whole time it was being shipped back from ICS but who knows. It could be like the Windows 99% cure.

 

[Jared4.7]

Not sure how this would help since it was disconnected from the battery the whole time it was being shipped back from ICS but who knows. It could be like the Windows 99% cure.

I can try it. But from searching it sounds like a recurring problem among these trucks. I came across numerous posts/threads on different boards citing the same issue and Chrysler pretty much told them to beat feet after several cluster replacements and no fix.

-JT

 

[cptwing]

Well I bought my cluster from neverenough about 6 months ago its a regular premium cluster with 3920 miles on it I paid 250.00 guess that was not a bad price at the time he was selling a longhorn for the same price with 9000 mile wish I had bought that one too.

Anyway I just finally hooked it up to try it, at first it kept telling me to service the air suspension, I do not have the air suspension. It also is telling me that I have the following, brake light out, backup light out and license plate out. I had previously added the the LED CHMSl cam, changed the backup and license plate bulbs to LED and my old cluster never complained??? Weird

After playing around with the cluster I found the reset to default and tried it. The air suspension error went away, however the bulb out errors did not. I got an added bonus though after the reset the compass now shows up in the cluster I cannot believe it but im not complaining. I had previously added the compass module and home-link (my truck came with the RA1 so it had no overhead console or compass). I had built my own harness and added the console with home-link and compass, but could only ever get the home-link to work. The radio still does not show the compass or outside temp oh well I have them both in the evic and the home-link still works. As far as the bulb outs I can go back to incandescent for backup and license plates, but not in the CHMSL, I will figure it out, probably add a resistor.

Now I have to take it out and put the old one in so I can get it programmed, kinda hate to take it out, this thing is sweet and 10 times better than the 3.5. Thanks fellas for figuring this one out.



And yes the 4WD, tow/haul, ESC, manual shift (1-6) all work, cant wait to get it programmed.


Put the 3.5 in and compass is gone again? It must be either a chip or programming in the cluster that reads the compass. The 3.5 does not have a reset setting on it. Fiat did some weird crap designing these trucks when it comes to hardware and software.

 

[SitKneelBend]

TvandNav2go is the cheapest mail away service I found (that works) $175 return shipped.

 

[cptwing]

Ok studying the pics I have posted above 2 things stand out as weird?

First the temp with the 7 inch evic is 54 degrees picture was taken at 3:22 pm, the temp with the 3.5 evic is 79 degrees? The truck was never moved or driven during either swap? The temp outside according to the iPhone is 64 degrees @ 4:20pm. Maybe I left the old cluster in the sun, who knows maybe it just needed to cycle cause its reading right now.

The second is the idle hours and running hours for the 7 inch cluster "173 idle" and "164" driving? Hard to believe the previous owner idled the truck for 173 hours more to the point that they idled it more than they drove it?
The driving hours seem about right at 164hr / 3920mi seem ok based on my original cluster having 283hr / 9884.0mi. Im sure it will be fine just seems weird.

Oh and yes I do need gas right away.

 

[1500ram12]

The temp was probably what it was when it was when removed. I've noticed with all my trucks it takes a few minutes to show the right temp. And a lot of people have noted irregularities with idle/drive hours with the 13+ trucks

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[krb686]

Well I bought my cluster from neverenough about 6 months ago its a regular cluster with 3920 miles on it I paid 250.00 guess that was not a bad price at the time he was selling a longhorn for the same price with 9000 mile wish I had bought that one too.

Anyway I just finally hooked it up to try it, at first it kept telling me to service the air suspension, I do not have the air suspension. It also is telling me that I have the following, brake light out, backup light out and license plate out. I had previously added the the LED CHMSl cam, changed the backup and license plate bulbs to LED and my old cluster never complained??? Weird

After playing around with the cluster In found the reset to default and tried it. The air suspension error went away, however the bulb out errors did not. I got an added bonus though after the reset the compass now shows up in the cluster I cannot believe it but im not complaining. I had previously added the compass module and home-link (my truck came with the RA1 so it had no overhead console or compass). I had built my own harness and added the console with home-link and compass, but could only ever get the home-link to work. The radio still does not show the compass or outside temp oh well I have them both in the evic and the home-link still works. As far as the bulb outs I can go back to incandescent for backup and license plates, but not in the CHMSL, I will figure it out, probably add a resistor.

Now I have to take it out and put the old one in so I can get it programmed, kinda hate to take it out, this thing is sweet and 10 times better than the 3.5. Thanks fellas for figuring this one out.

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And yes the 4WD, tow/haul, ESC, manual shift (1-6) all work, cant wait to get it programmed.


Put the 3.5 in and compass is gone again? It must be either a chip or programming in the cluster that reads the compass. The 3.5 does not have a reset setting on it. Fiat did some weird crap designing these trucks when it comes to hardware and software.
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That's an interesting set of problems. It seems to me that yeah maybe it reads some voltage from the standard bulbs which is not present with your LED bulbs. That could easily be fixed up with a few resistors. Although I am fairly certain the cluster itself does not do that voltage measurement It must be a chip somewhere else that packages up that information and sends it over the CAN. Not that that matters too much, as long as you can figure out what voltage it is expecting.

 

[sausec17]

Can someone post pics of the different types of clusters and their differences? Thanks

 

[cgeorgemo]

Can someone post pics of the different types of clusters and their differences? Thanks

I'll go ahead and burst your bubble. This is only for 2013 and newer trucks. Sorry.

 

[sausec17]

I'll go ahead and burst your bubble. This is only for 2013 and newer trucks. Sorry.

Im trading in the 2012 this year for a 2015

 

[sausec17]

Also, anyone do this in a 2015 yet?