I'm # 100k with this issue yeeeeeah

[hemisflatical]

so this is my sister in laws 2013 hemi that has been snacking on it's own camshaft for who knows how long and after almost no time at all I've read the horror stories of dozens of owners havingsame issue. Dodge ram stelantis appear to be king douche bags for blatant ignorance and calculated disinterest in this issue.[/FONT] Shame shame [/ICODE][/SIZE]

 

[Brandon-w]

Preaching to The choir... It sucks, they don't care, they won't care but hey let's all drive electric... NOT LIKELY. Anyways after cam failure I got a deal on a srt 6.4 manual Trans engine (no MDS garbage) and swapped it into my 15 ram. Took some work but worth it. @Wildone and Airdrie Chrysler hooked me up if Ur Canadian and looking.

 

[Burla]

so this is my sister in laws 2013 hemi that has been snacking on it's own camshaft for who knows how long and after almost no time at all I've read the horror stories of dozens of owners having same issue. Dodge ram stelantis appear to be king douche bags for blatant ignorance and calculated disinterest in this issue. Shame shame View attachment 526647View attachment 526648View attachment 526649View attachment 526650

thanks for posting and sorry for the troubles. One large issue is the number of people who refuse to even believe how large this issue is, more postings more better.

 

[HunterCat]

This is exactly why I didn't get the 5.7 in my '22 and instead went with the 3.6. I went with better long term reliability over more power. I don't tow so it wasn't a difficult decision.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not a matter of IF the Hemi will eat itself, it's a matter of how long will it take. It's a flawed engine.

 

[zrock]

so your upset that a 10 year old truck is having engine issues?

 

[Units]

so your upset that a 10 year old truck is having engine issues?

Not the truck I currently have but the truck I traded in on my current ‘22 RAM 6.4l with 9k on the clock and getting a new motor, was a ‘07 Nissan Titan with over 200k on the clock and not one iota of an engine problem. That’s well over 10 years, I think he should be complaining.

 

[Jeepwalker]

Good move on the 6.4 Brandon. Just curious how much it affected your Tk's MPG (Km/L)?

 

[Treburkulosis]

I love how we are defending Dodge for known issues that they dont care to fix under warranty. I guess they are still butt hurt about the 3rd gen 4.7 head issues that they ate a ton of money in recalls and warranty work. I find it funny that Older LS motors went hundred of thousands of miles with no issues. Yet we are having issues like this with motors as low milage as 30k. Unfortunately it is just the luck of the draw with Hemi engines...

 

[Sherman Bird]

This is exactly why I didn't get the 5.7 in my '22 and instead went with the 3.6. I went with better long term reliability over more power. I don't tow so it wasn't a difficult decision.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not a matter of IF the Hemi will eat itself, it's a matter of how long will it take. It's a flawed engine.

They ALL have an Achille's heel. The 3.6 has the plastic oil filter housing under the intake manifold which fails prolifically. The cam failure is also a problem on Chevy 5.3 Liter trucks and the Ford 5.4L Triton 3 valve as well.

One of my customers did get help on his 2019 Silverado with 62000 miles on it with the failed lifter/wiped out cam/ metal throughout the engine, but it took him making phone calls to GM Customer support in Detroit to get help. He wound up paying 1500 dollars instead of 8 grand.

My last new truck was a 2008 F150 Lariat crew cab with the 5.4L Triton 3 valve. I never did let the dealer knuckle draggers touch it for "free" oil changes. I did my first oil change at 3000 miles and every 5000 thereafter. I used synthetic 5W20 oil as specified and a Motorcraft filter. That truck went over 170,000 miles without any engine problems.

Several of my customers and neighbors have the 5.7 Hemi Rams... none have ever had a problem, but these folks never took the "free" oil changes either. I wonder if there might be a correlation.

 

[Sherman Bird]

I love how we are defending Dodge for known issues that they dont care to fix under warranty. I guess they are still butt hurt about the 3rd gen 4.7 head issues that they ate a ton of money in recalls and warranty work. I find it funny that Older LS motors went hundred of thousands of miles with no issues. Yet we are having issues like this with motors as low milage as 30k. Unfortunately it is just the luck of the draw with Hemi engines...

The 4.7 engine was a spin off of Mercedes design from when Mercedes owned Chrysler. Eventually, the 4.7 was fixed and was a great engine. I replaced one of the flawed early ones in my 2000 Grand Cherokee with a very expensive upgraded one.... and it went until the vehicle was totaled several years after I sold it to a friend.

 

[PowersOf12]

My Hemi has never stranded me even with a trashed cam and lifter and after the dealer repair, runs perfectly again. My neighbor costs were $1500 total, and he did the work using YouTube never have done anything like this before. It appears to mostly affect the 11, 12, 13 years but probably all of them eventually. I still think it is a great engine, small , efficient, powerful, and easy to work on.

 

[Marmay]

The clock starts ticking as soon as you turn the key fab.

 

[Treburkulosis]

The 4.7 engine was a spin off of Mercedes design from when Mercedes owned Chrysler. Eventually, the 4.7 was fixed and was a great engine. I replaced one of the flawed early ones in my 2000 Grand Cherokee with a very expensive upgraded one.... and it went until the vehicle was totaled several years after I sold it to a friend.

We had a 03 and at 32k it got hot and took out the heads. Dodge did fix it. That was back when they still did that stuff. It was never the same after that. It was sold around 37k and I didn't touch another Dodge for several years.

 

[Brandon-w]

Good move on the 6.4 Brandon. Just curious how much it affected your Tk's MPG (Km/L)?

Beleive it or not I gained about a mpg when I'm driving nice. Definately worth the swap. The major down side is I love the sound of my exhaust sooo..... I get garbage fuel Economy and u run anyone for fun who wants to try me, it supriseses the hell ouda the diesel guys

 

[62Blazer]

I understand the frustration and you see posts about this all the time. However I would really like to see a true number of engines that have this issue along with the age and mileage on them. If you really pay attention to all of the people making posts about this issue you will see that very few actually have this issue like the original poster here. Rather they read a post somewhere that somebody had the issue and just restate it, thus making it seem like a much wider spread issue.
There are literally millions of these engines on the road to put it in perspective. For example the original poster states how there are "dozens" of people with this issue and infers that means it's widespread. Okay, so "dozens" of issues compared to "millions" of engines equals an issue rate so small that a manufacturer is not going to do anything about it. No matter what you do everything you make will not be perfect and some defects will make it to the field. Even if "thousands" of engines have issues you are still only talking about 10ths of a percent of the total engine have issues.
Again to clarify, I understand the frustration of having to rebuild or replace an engine and not trying to make excuses for Ram. Just trying to put it in perspective and what the true defect rate could be. And based on reading multiple forums, Facebook groups, etc... for years that have thousands of users on them there have only been a handful of them that have truly had the issue on their vehicle.
Also, if you get on a forum for ANY manufacturer (Chevy or Ford mainly) you will see the same basic thing going on. It's a different issue but every forum will have some ongoing common engine failure and say how the engines are junk and everyone fails. I had a Chevy truck with a 6.0L LS V-8 in it previously and followed all of those forums and pages for years. Same thing there....if you believed the forums every 6.0L engine would suffer some catastrophic failure.

 

[Docwagon1776]

This is exactly why I didn't get the 5.7 in my '22 and instead went with the 3.6. I went with better long term reliability over more power. I don't tow so it wasn't a difficult decision.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not a matter of IF the Hemi will eat itself, it's a matter of how long will it take. It's a flawed engine.

Nearly 400 hp in a naturally aspirated 5.7L motor at fuel economy that knocks around 20mph is "flawed".

If I was worried about longevity at all costs, I'd have bought a Toyota. I'm on my third hemi, zero issues. Not to say it won't happen tomorrow, but I sleep just fine at night.

 

[Treburkulosis]

Nearly 400 hp in a naturally aspirated 5.7L motor at fuel economy that knocks around 20mph is "flawed".

If I was worried about longevity at all costs, I'd have bought a Toyota. I'm on my third hemi, zero issues. Not to say it won't happen tomorrow, but I sleep just fine at night.

I don't see how you can sleep at not knowing the possibility of it having major issues... Some nerve you have.

 

[Brandon-w]

I understand the frustration and you see posts about this all the time. However I would really like to see a true number of engines that have this issue along with the age and mileage on them. If you really pay attention to all of the people making posts about this issue you will see that very few actually have this issue like the original poster here. Rather they read a post somewhere that somebody had the issue and just restate it, thus making it seem like a much wider spread issue.
There are literally millions of these engines on the road to put it in perspective. For example the original poster states how there are "dozens" of people with this issue and infers that means it's widespread. Okay, so "dozens" of issues compared to "millions" of engines equals an issue rate so small that a manufacturer is not going to do anything about it. No matter what you do everything you make will not be perfect and some defects will make it to the field. Even if "thousands" of engines have issues you are still only talking about 10ths of a percent of the total engine have issues.
Again to clarify, I understand the frustration of having to rebuild or replace an engine and not trying to make excuses for Ram. Just trying to put it in perspective and what the true defect rate could be. And based on reading multiple forums, Facebook groups, etc... for years that have thousands of users on them there have only been a handful of them that have truly had the issue on their vehicle.
Also, if you get on a forum for ANY manufacturer (Chevy or Ford mainly) you will see the same basic thing going on. It's a different issue but every forum will have some ongoing common engine failure and say how the engines are junk and everyone fails. I had a Chevy truck with a 6.0L LS V-8 in it previously and followed all of those forums and pages for years. Same thing there....if you believed the forums every 6.0L engine would suffer some catastrophic failure.

First off if like to respectfully request you have intercorse with one's self. That said I was the victim of this twice, I have fixed about 5 of these engines myself in the passed couple of years for friends and the dealership usually has one of these a month where I'm from. So do the math an average of 12 a year per dealership and this is a population of about 15k people. So yeah that's a ton of people with these issues. Please don't down play this it's actually a serious issue that antichrystler refuses to properly address. It seriously cost alot of money on something I Was already making payments on and the dealership wouldn't even consider touching it under warranty.

 

[Units]

I understand the frustration and you see posts about this all the time. However I would really like to see a true number of engines that have this issue along with the age and mileage on them. If you really pay attention to all of the people making posts about this issue you will see that very few actually have this issue like the original poster here. Rather they read a post somewhere that somebody had the issue and just restate it, thus making it seem like a much wider spread issue.
There are literally millions of these engines on the road to put it in perspective. For example the original poster states how there are "dozens" of people with this issue and infers that means it's widespread. Okay, so "dozens" of issues compared to "millions" of engines equals an issue rate so small that a manufacturer is not going to do anything about it. No matter what you do everything you make will not be perfect and some defects will make it to the field. Even if "thousands" of engines have issues you are still only talking about 10ths of a percent of the total engine have issues.
Again to clarify, I understand the frustration of having to rebuild or replace an engine and not trying to make excuses for Ram. Just trying to put it in perspective and what the true defect rate could be. And based on reading multiple forums, Facebook groups, etc... for years that have thousands of users on them there have only been a handful of them that have truly had the issue on their vehicle.
Also, if you get on a forum for ANY manufacturer (Chevy or Ford mainly) you will see the same basic thing going on. It's a different issue but every forum will have some ongoing common engine failure and say how the engines are junk and everyone fails. I had a Chevy truck with a 6.0L LS V-8 in it previously and followed all of those forums and pages for years. Same thing there....if you believed the forums every 6.0L engine would suffer some catastrophic failure.

The problem with you saying “it’s only a few out of millions” is that there is a real problem, minuscule or not. When you happen to be the one who gets a vehicle with the exact same problem as others have had, all of that “other manufacturers have problems” B.S. goes right out the window. When folks who work hard for a living and spend big money on a vehicle that they buy with the intention of using said truck/car everyday without having to fork over more money or be without the vehicle they have/are paying for is very frustrating. People naturally will look for somewhere to vent those frustrations and it just happens to be where others who are in the same boat are doing the exact same thing. Bottom line is, no matter how you feel or what your experience is, if vehicles from one manufacturer are having the exact same problem then it should be addressed - nation wide. As a side note, I love my RAM and hopefully I have no more bad juju.

 

[HunterCat]

They ALL have an Achille's heel. The 3.6 has the plastic oil filter housing under the intake manifold which fails prolifically. The cam failure is also a problem on Chevy 5.3 Liter trucks and the Ford 5.4L Triton 3 valve as well.

One of my customers did get help on his 2019 Silverado with 62000 miles on it with the failed lifter/wiped out cam/ metal throughout the engine, but it took him making phone calls to GM Customer support in Detroit to get help. He wound up paying 1500 dollars instead of 8 grand.

My last new truck was a 2008 F150 Lariat crew cab with the 5.4L Triton 3 valve. I never did let the dealer knuckle draggers touch it for "free" oil changes. I did my first oil change at 3000 miles and every 5000 thereafter. I used synthetic 5W20 oil as specified and a Motorcraft filter. That truck went over 170,000 miles without any engine problems.

Several of my customers and neighbors have the 5.7 Hemi Rams... none have ever had a problem, but these folks never took the "free" oil changes either. I wonder if there might be a correlation.

The plastic oil filter housing on the 3.6 is a known issue but it's not even close to being in the same league as the Hemi failure in terms of repair cost and complexity.

Yes, cam failure is a problem on the Chevy 5.3. What does that engine have in common with the Ram 5.7? Multi Displacement nonsense. I used to have a 2003 Silverado with the 5.3 and it was a good engine back then. Unfortunately, that particular truck fell apart around the engine .

AFM/MDS etc. gets a hard no from me. While manufacturers have to abide by CAFE standards, they're not held to any standard for reliability thus they produce a flawed engine design that saves a miniscule amount of gas to help get them over the finish line.