Post professional buff job care products and maintenance

[jlpowell84]

I would just have your guy do everything, over and out lol

Well you would think so, makes logical sense. But with the Wolfgang needing to cure at least overnight that would change the plans. Going to drive the truck to his place Friday after work. He is going to tape everything, bag the truck, all the prep. Then start buffing Sat morning.

It seemed best to me to drive the truck home, quick wash to rid of anything from the drive then pull into the garage and begin the Wolfgang 3.0 after drying the truck.

I guess the big obstacle here is the transporting the truck and the cure time for the sealant. So maybe we need to just do it all in my garage to avoid any washing or road grime in between the final buff polish and the sealant application. If we switch to my garage then I could have him run from the multiple stages of compound to polish to sealant. Then it needs to wait until the next morning at least for the collonite 845.

So maybe I should just pay him a little more and have him do it in my garage and go from buff to sealant then I can do the wax the following morning.

 

[THETANK]

Well you would think so, makes logical sense. But with the Wolfgang needing to cure at least overnight that would change the plans. Going to drive the truck to his place Friday after work. He is going to tape everything, bag the truck, all the prep. Then start buffing Sat morning.

It seemed best to me to drive the truck home, quick wash to rid of anything from the drive then pull into the garage and begin the Wolfgang 3.0 after drying the truck.

I guess the big obstacle here is the transporting the truck and the cure time for the sealant. So maybe we need to just do it all in my garage to avoid any washing or road grime in between the final buff polish and the sealant application. If we switch to my garage then I could have him run from the multiple stages of compound to polish to sealant. Then it needs to wait until the next morning at least for the collonite 845.

So maybe I should just pay him a little more and have him do it in my garage and go from buff to sealant then I can do the wax the following morning.

seriously, that's what I would do. Good luck either way.

 

[jlpowell84]

Well this is all happening this weekend

I waited until today to order everything...Looks like Colonize 845 is not available for Amazon Prime, what is a good replacement? Should I just do Wolfgang 3.0 and call it good? Seems like every demo on the Wolfgang that was always the last step in their process...

 

[Pull Ya]

Use the Wolfgang 3.0 sealant. You can always go back and top it with the Collinite 845 at a later time. looking forward to seeing pic's when you get finished---Good Luck!!!!!
Jay

You can order the Collinite 845 from autogeek

 

[jlpowell84]

Use the Wolfgang 3.0 sealant. You can always go back and top it with the Collinite 845 at a later time. looking forward to seeing pic's when you get finished---Good Luck!!!!!
Jay

You can order the Collinite 845 from autogeek

Okay, yea it was just getting it here by Friday for the weekend. I did compare Autogeek for everything but the Wolfgang was $10 cheaper...I failed to check if auto geek could have gotten it to me by Friday. I will check still

I ordered a 5.5" foam applicator pad with hook and loop backing that says it is designed for sealant and wax application and also a 5.5" pad from same company (Griot's Garage) that is a microfober base with high nap also for applying sealant/wax/finishing polishes. Total noob question here but can I use my Dewalt 5" Random Orbital palm sander? Oh important note I got the variable speed model so it can go from 1-7. I dont want to spend a chunk (at least this moment as I am just finishing many mods on this truck) so the other options are the cheap black and decker, ryobi, or other generic ones. I can't see the difference for simply and essentially "touching" the application pad to the panel to apply the sealant and wax both now and future. I cannot see the difference to a orbital polisher....

 

[Pull Ya]

You can apply both the sealant and wax by hand. You have to use the buffer when you used polish. I'm not an expert on the different buffers available, I know that the Porter Cable works good for what I need.
Jay

 

[jlpowell84]

You can apply both the sealant and wax by hand. You have to use the buffer when you used polish. I'm not an expert on the different buffers available, I know that the Porter Cable works good for what I need.
Jay

Yea I'm also looking at some Retro shop headlights and in light of all the expenses I was trying to save by seeing if I can just use my Dewalt orbital sander to stick my foam applicator pads on. I know I can do it by hand but wouldn't applying it all electrically be much faster. I plan on doing sealant on EVERYTHING! Pulling chrome bumpers off, etc...

 

[jlpowell84]

So I have the truck back and parked in garage AFTER what felt like a bunch of work. He wasn't fond of applying the sealant having never used it. So its next on my list. I got the truck home and continued to walk around eyeballing any compound in chips and such. I have any many many tiny chips on my truck and they all filled up with compound being amplified as the polish is white on dark red paint.
FIRST QUESTION: Can I use a scratch filler or what to go over chips or scratches or spots that were too deep prior to sealant? Or will wax take car of them once I get to that stage?

I have a question...I had to wash the truck after getting home. I really thought the truck would be slick as snot after polish but it was not. Feels the same as post Dawn dish soap wash, very sticky and any dust on the way home literally stuck to the paint. I decided to polish to slash using the Griot's glass polishing pads and some glass cleaning/polishing solution I got.
SO MY 2nd QUESTION IS: Can I use clay bar post polish to get water spots off before sealant?
There are some and I dont know if the finish was just vulnerable from no protection or what but they seem on there enough as if they have always been there.

I would just hate to "seal in" the two areas of imperfections, but then again I really have no idea how these products work on a scientific level.

 

[Pull Ya]

Here is a "rule of thumb " about scratches--Drag your fingernail across the scratch, if your fingernail "catches" on the scratch then it needs to be sanded or compounded out. If your nail doesn't catch, then the polish should take the scratch out. If the chips are all the way down to the primer coat then you need to have them sanded out and repainted or you can try to use some touch up on them. You will not be able to "fill" them with a wax or sealant.
If your buddy used a buffer and polish on the paint after you used Dawn on it, then I assume that everything should be off the surface. The surface of your truck is now sort of "naked". I think that is why it doesn't feel slick and why the dust sticks to it so easily. You can use a clay bar on the 2 areas you are talking about even after it is polished. Make sure you use plenty of lub and check for scratches after you finish. You can then go ahead and put the sealant on. Hope this helps. You also have a PM
Jay

 

[jlpowell84]

Ok, long day and will be sore tomm in spite of electrical help

I applied the Wolfgang 3.0 Sealant with my Dewalt 5" Variable speed random orbital sander. I used setting1/7 and applied it in numerous motions and well yet not excessive. I removed it all by hand then came back and finished with a Griot's Garage microfiber fast finishing pad. That thing is amazing! In the future there is 100% no way I will ever work that hard to remove product. A quick wipe down to take away the initial layer, and even a second wipe then finish with it and it's much better! I did that procedure on the glass. Applied sealant with foam pad, let it haze, wipe off bulk with MF rag then use finishing MF pad, lovely combo

So I will say it went a definite 1-2 steps up in terms of shine, gloss, and wetness look.

So since I never ordered the Colonite 845 (still am for future) I was thinking of using some Meguire's gold class Carnauba Plus this time. I know it doesn't last long at all but hey I'm going for ultimate shine at this moment

Here is truck as of getting done tonight. Wax tomm after work...

Hopefully by Wed eve maybe I can get some pics of it in the sun. She really pops in the sun!

 

[Pull Ya]

Looks reallllly good!!!! Nice job--nothing better than standing back and looking at the results of your hard work(with a cold beer in your hand)!!!!
Jay

 

[jlpowell84]

Looks reallllly good!!!! Nice job--nothing better than standing back and looking at the results of your hard work(with a cold beer in your hand)!!!!
Jay

Thanks! I expect the Carnauba wax I am going to try this once to take it to another level The set of OEM black quad headlights with LED Concepts white/amber rectangular halos from Retro Shop will be here Wed so I think I will keep her garaged and "unveil" her essentially that eve.

Quick question...The Wolfgang sealant I let set for at least 30 min absolute 100% minimum. Some areas up to 45 min. But I would say 80% of what I wiped off/polished into paint was not completely hazed/dried. Many places the finger swipe indicated it was still wet and I still went ahead and wiped it all off based on directions. It was pretty warm in my garage. I am just wondering if that is okay or if I should go ahead and do another coat but very very minimal. Honestly I used on the heavy side of the Wolfgang product, not sopping wet or anything just one step more than I prob should have...Sealant went on yesterday and truck is still in garage curing...

 

[Pull Ya]

You probably don't need another coat. With the Wolfgang and also with the Collinite 845, the less you put on the better it turns out. When you don't think you can put it on any thinner, put less on. The Wolfgang you can let dry for quite awhile and then take it off, but with the Collinite I only do one panel at a time. I have found if you let it dry to much, it is a real ***** to get off. I'm glad your happy with the results so far, and I think you will be even happier when you top the sealant with some good wax. Looking forward to the results.
Jay

 

[jlpowell84]

Okay

Yea Colonite ordered and like I said I am going to try this Meguire's Gold Class Carnauba this once.

And the detail spray you mentioned was Opti I remember but what is the exact title? I found one but it said it was a spray sealant. Maybe the same thing Need to find "my" finishing spray...I watched some vids from some detailing pro and he talked about the importance of basically "continually maintaining" the layers of protection.

 

[Pull Ya]

Opti Spray Car Wax---I can't find the spray bottle but here is the info on a gallon, and some other info about Opti.
Optimum Car Wax 128 oz. Refill

Jay

 

[Joshwaa]

I am interested as to why that is the only Chemical Guys product you will use. I have heard good reviews about their wash solution and other products. Honestly I am a bit turned off by the prices of Adams products and figured I was going to give a few Chem Guys products a chance.


"3. Finishing spray/polish? No..= Use a coating if you are doing a 3 step : GTechniq Crystal Serum Light top with EXO v2 if you really want wow factor."
I am really interested in this product. I looked it up and it seems to be seriously legit. I am wondering what is the best way to show this to my buffer as a final stage after the 2-3 stages and polish. Do you have any good links on application of this product or any other good results?

Overall I feel a sealant is a must from my short time learning here and am trying to figure out how to communicate this to my buffer. Lastly is this easy enough I could apply it after he does the job? I read the vehicle needs 12hrs to cure so I can clean out my garage.

Check the link I posted. I have both those coatings on my Ram.

About Chem Guys. I just have found better products than most of what they offer. However their Mr. Pink is superb in the foam cannon. With the coatings I have I just pressure wash, foam cannon and rinse. Dont have to touch the truck unless there is bug guts.

 

[jlpowell84]

Ok so the product I looked at was different, awesome! I think that was actually the stuff the detailing nut I was watching was using.

The pic shows the blue bottle

To be clear though will this adhere over a natural Carnauba wax? Maybe I should wait until the colonite comes in. I have just read in a review of the Opti spray wax this one guy couldn't get it to adhere to his surface because he had used "old school paste wax" was his exact terminology.

Also the detail guy talked about the importance of using a soap dedicated to playing nice and working with the coatings/protective layers you have worked so hard to put on. What is a soap I should use?

 

[jlpowell84]

Check the link I posted. I have both those coatings on my Ram.

About Chem Guys. I just have found better products than most of what they offer. However their Mr. Pink is superb in the foam cannon. With the coatings I have I just pressure wash, foam cannon and rinse. Dont have to touch the truck unless there is bug guts.

Yea I am on Amazon right now trying to find a soap to use and that plays nice with my coatings. Prob try the Chem guys soap maybe, I think it seems well enough right? Or shall I go with something else? I prob wont get the foam cannon, at least for now. Unless you say its really that revolutionary

 

[Joshwaa]

Yea I am on Amazon right now trying to find a soap to use and that plays nice with my coatings. Prob try the Chem guys soap maybe, I think it seems well enough right? Or shall I go with something else? I prob wont get the foam cannon, at least for now. Unless you say its really that revolutionary

I use the cannon just for quickness when there is too much dirt on the truck to consider a waterless or rinseless wash. You can get by fine without it. How often do you wash your truck and how dirty does it get in between washes? Mr Pink will work good in just wash water using 2 bucket method.

I will try to remember to get a video next time I wash to show you some of the things I told you about.

 

[Pull Ya]

Jason,
Meguire's makes a good soap that I have used on the Wolfgang and Collinite combination. It is Meguire's #62. You might take a look at it. I even add about 2/3 of a cup of the Opti Spray Wax to the bucket also. Sounds weird but it works for me. Joshua uses some good products that are worth taking a good look at also.
Jay