Stellantis admits they can't build a reliable PHEV, throws in the towel during current stop sale

All Jeep and Chrysler Plug-In Hybrid Models Are Officially Dead: Exclusive

This does not impact future range-extended electric models, the company told us.

www.thedrive.com

On a tip from a reader, The Drive reported Monday that the Wrangler and Grand Cherokee 4xes had both disappeared from their respective “Build and Price” tools on Jeep’s website. After our story was originally published, a Jeep spokesperson confirmed that an active stop-sale remained in place on all 4xe models due to ongoing recall campaigns, but stopped short of addressing their absence from the website itself. Now we know why they vanished.

 

[Randy Grant]

Amazing how many still drive around with a mask on

 

[lpennock]

Well, he said produce electricity, not produce energy. As in an onboard generator to produce electricity to fill the battery, like a modern locomotive or the EREVs under development we're discussing up thread.

It is still an energy issue. If the EV could do 300+ miles under full rated load, recharge in less than 5 min, and have charging stations available every 25-50miles on the open road, people wouldn't demand bandaides like on board generators. But since the technology doesn't meet any of those criteria yet, the EREV and Hybrids are the transition technologies. The onboard generator is just to make up for the current technology short comings by getting energy from gas/diesel and converting that energy to electricity..

 

[Ramfanski]

I will be excited to see electric offerings in the future. I am looking forward to the ram truck that has a v6 generator. I think that is the future for trucks.

 

[Dusty]

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All Jeep and Chrysler Plug-In Hybrid Models Are Officially Dead: Exclusive

This does not impact future range-extended electric models, the company told us.

www.thedrive.com

While the note is trying to perpetuate an anti-Chrysler message, the article in question no where implies that reliability was an issue in ending PHEV.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 145017 miles.

 

[Docwagon1776]

While the note is trying to perpetuate an anti-Chrysler message, the article in question no where implies that reliability was an issue in ending PHEV.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 145017 miles.

Jeep says it's unrelated. Just totally happenstance that the vehicles are in a stop sale due to an unresolved series of recalls. 3 for fires, after the first two failed to stop the fires.

Total flip from just a year ago when talking about how huge a seller they were, how they were dominant in the PHEV market with over 40%.

Obviously they won't overtly say they built a dumpster fire with major
ongoing warranty costs so they are cutting bait. Lawyers and PR people exist. Look at the issues that are ongoing, look at corporate statements a few weeks ago, then draw your own conclusions.

 

[ronheater70]

Wife had a Toyota Corolla Cross Hybrid she bought new at the end of 23 ( a 24 model) . I have never been so unimpressed with a vehicle in my life. The Engine was so Noisy under acceleration. There were places under the hood on the frame that still showed Primer, no paint. Dealer said it was normal. It got fantastic MPGS, decent performance. It felt like a road wagon in terms of suspension refinement. BTW the Tundra engine also has Residual casting Debris issues if I recall. The difference being Toyota will actually Fix it proper.
Our 4xe (with the exception of the Electronic coolant heater replacement) has been a reliable vehicle. It's outstanding in the mountains with the added torque, the transmission doesn't need to downshift near as much. And the Fun of cruising on the beach sand on the outer banks with the top down and pure electric is nice. It can hit 60 in under 6 seconds in proper conditions. The only thing about this vehicle not to love is the "Potential Issues". Much like the Potential 6.4 Lifter issues, or the potential Diesel Turbo/Emissions issues (or that wonderful 68RFE) None of Which are cheap to fix beyond warranty. Fire Risk is there, Hopefully Software mitigates that by being the early warning system. Think ICE vehicles have been known to catch on fire a time or two as well. I do believe the HD rams were recalled in 22-23 for fire risk, transmission related, and again later like 300K were recalled because of fires related to the Grid heater relay. I guess Stellantis has always been a Hot seller LOL!

 

[Docwagon1776]

Wife had a Toyota Corolla Cross Hybrid she bought new at the end of 23 ( a 24 model) . I have never been so unimpressed with a vehicle in my life. The Engine was so Noisy under acceleration. There were places under the hood on the frame that still showed Primer, no paint. Dealer said it was normal. It got fantastic MPGS, decent performance. It felt like a road wagon in terms of suspension refinement. BTW the Tundra engine also has Residual casting Debris issues if I recall. The difference being Toyota will actually Fix it proper.
Our 4xe (with the exception of the Electronic coolant heater replacement) has been a reliable vehicle. It's outstanding in the mountains with the added torque, the transmission doesn't need to downshift near as much. And the Fun of cruising on the beach sand on the outer banks with the top down and pure electric is nice. It can hit 60 in under 6 seconds in proper conditions. The only thing about this vehicle not to love is the "Potential Issues". Much like the Potential 6.4 Lifter issues, or the potential Diesel Turbo/Emissions issues (or that wonderful 68RFE) None of Which are cheap to fix beyond warranty. Fire Risk is there, Hopefully Software mitigates that by being the early warning system. Think ICE vehicles have been known to catch on fire a time or two as well. I do believe the HD rams were recalled in 22-23 for fire risk, transmission related, and again later like 300K were recalled because of fires related to the Grid heater relay. I guess Stellantis has always been a Hot seller LOL!

Everybody's QC took a dump post-COVID. Of course most individual vehicles don't fail off the lot (well, Dodge Daytona and Hornet maybe) but the percentage of vehicles with significant issues has only increased. Toyota, formerly famous among suppliers for how picky they were, now takes parts that would have been out of spec pre-COVID. I have friends who work in QC management at suppliers, so this is from the horse's mouth.

 

[Docwagon1776]

Looking at Wrangler Rubicons, anyone want to take a guess what the 4XE discount is on the used market?

$7-$8k US. Looking at 2021+ with less than 40k miles and Pentastar equipped Rubicons are $7k more expensive than comparable Rubicon 4XEs nationwide.

Florida has a few cheaper, but here's a 4XE in Ohio with just over 30k miles for $25k: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/f46cfb3f-35ed-419d-a721-2d6fc98d64c2/

Florida, the cheapest 4 door Rubicon with no crashes/clean title is $8k more: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/a90ca842-e1e1-4290-ad3b-ab3cee6251cb/
It's a year newer, but the cheapest 2023 is $700 *more*.

4XE original MSRP was $63k

Pentastar original MSRP was $60k

Now, the 4XE likely got the hybrid kickback and OTD price was probably comparable or lower than the Pentastar.

The market is pretty soundly rejected Stellantis hybrids. Meanwhile Toyota's Rav4 hybrids are losing less than $5k to depreciation with similar miles and age. Toyota tax on the used market remains very real, even with their relative decline in QC.

 

[KalboKalbs]

In search of my surprised face. ​

...'over optimistic'... Ignorant more like it.​

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Stellantis takes massive $26B hit after moving away from EVs​

Automaker's stock plunges over 22% as CEO Antonio Filosa admits company was 'over optimistic' about electric vehicle demand​

Stellantis takes massive $26B hit after moving away from EVs

Stellantis shares plunged after announcing a massive writedown, raising questions about whether EV struggles stem from market issues or vehicle appeal.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[markabby]

when they come out with one that can give over 800 mile range...i might consider it.

 

[Docwagon1776]

when they come out with one that can give over 800 mile range...i might consider it.

EREV will be close at 690 with a full charge and full tank, plus you can just refuel the gas tank to feed the generator like you'd refuel any gas vehicle. Assuming it doesn't break down before it's out of fuel/charge, of course.

 

[hogan1945]

I just can't drive a vehicle that i can't hear ! I need my mo jo, when putting the foot down.

 

[dochawk]

For EVs to become even a remotely viable option they will have to shift from storing electricity to producing it on demand.

you mean something like a v6 that is only used as a generator, an electric drive, and a battery that has, say, 160 miles of range?

Someone claims to be building one of those; I just can't remember what its called!

 

[BigMopar440]

you mean something like a v6 that is only used as a generator, an electric drive, and a battery that has, say, 160 miles of range?

Someone claims to be building one of those; I just can't remember what its called!

I don't think it would need to be a v6. and enough battery to you 30 or forty miles down the road if the engine fails.

 

[Loudram]

Here's another story of failure to add to the list. Last week my wife's '24 Grand Cherokee 4Xe had a service charging system message. Couldn't get the engine to run either. Started up, ran rough, and as soon as you put it in drive and gave it some gas it died and slammed itself into park with e-brake on. Wouldn't start after that. Had to have it towed to the dealership. It turned into a star case. Just found out yesterday that it needs a new high voltage battery. They can't address the rough running engine until the battery is replaced. Who knows, it may need a new engine too. The sand recall comes to mind. We'll be without it for at least a few more weeks. Thankfully it's under warranty and thankful even more that this piece of junk is leased. We can't wait until the lease is up.

 

[Mpgrimm2]

Here's another story of failure to add to the list. Last week my wife's '24 Grand Cherokee 4Xe had a service charging system message. Couldn't get the engine to run either. Started up, ran rough, and as soon as you put it in drive and gave it some gas it died and slammed itself into park with e-brake on. Wouldn't start after that. Had to have it towed to the dealership. It turned into a star case. Just found out yesterday that it needs a new high voltage battery. They can't address the rough running engine until the battery is replaced. Who knows, it may need a new engine too. The sand recall comes to mind. We'll be without it for at least a few more weeks. Thankfully it's under warranty and thankful even more that this piece of junk is leased. We can't wait until the lease is up.

So would your try the new Ram Rev that's coming out after this?

 

[Loudram]

So would your try the new Ram Rev that's coming out after this?

No chance. I don't even want e-torque. I'm happy with my basic 6.4 hemi. My wife wants another Grand Cherokee but not a hybrid. No more hybrid anything for us.

 

[David Tree]

You spelled Diesel wrong

Deezul

 

[David Tree]

Everybody's QC took a dump post-COVID. Of course most individual vehicles don't fail off the lot (well, Dodge Daytona and Hornet maybe) but the percentage of vehicles with significant issues has only increased. Toyota, formerly famous among suppliers for how picky they were, now takes parts that would have been out of spec pre-COVID. I have friends who work in QC management at suppliers, so this is from the horse's mouth.

Toyota stopped making Tundras
They now make a 'Sundra' = it has transgender issues