HOW TO: 2013+ LED Tails into a 4th Gen

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Success! I just finished the first set of adapters and tested them on my truck.

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They were a bit of a pain to assemble since my crimpers aren't perfect and I had to modify some of the connectors. But, everything is nice and secure. As a final step, I'm going to put some silicone on the back of each connector where the wire goes in because I'm not convinced the wire seals are 100%.
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Success! I just finished the first set of adapters and tested them on my truck.

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They were a bit of a pain to assemble since my crimpers aren't perfect and I had to modify some of the connectors. But, everything is nice and secure. As a final step, I'm going to put some silicone on the back of each connector where the wire goes in because I'm not convinced the wire seals are 100%.



So these plug right into the existing truck harness for the incandescent models and no resistors are required? No bulb out or hyper flashing?


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So these plug right into the existing truck harness for the incandescent models and no resistors are required? No bulb out or hyper flashing?


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Yes, they plug directly into the truck's harness. Unfortunately, they won't eliminate the need for resistors. I'm not using any because I can use my scan tool to configure the BCM for LEDs. If you don't have the ability to do that, you would need to splice in some resistors.
 

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Yes, they plug directly into the truck's harness. Unfortunately, they won't eliminate the need for resistors. I'm not using any because I can use my scan tool to configure the BCM for LEDs. If you don't have the ability to do that, you would need to splice in some resistors.



Is the scan tool route something I could get my dealer to do if I walk them through it? Or you have your own personal scanner? I was trying to avoid the extra wiring with resistors if possible but not really a big deal to fab a harness with them inline


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the factory led tail lights have a signal wire that goes back to bcm to check if tail light are working. I saw in 2500 and 3500 they have a feature in bcm to disable bulb out checking because they usually add more lights for (police, construction, fire). But I have yet to see how to disable this in a 1500. Please keep us updated
 

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Is the scan tool route something I could get my dealer to do if I walk them through it? Or you have your own personal scanner? I was trying to avoid the extra wiring with resistors if possible but not really a big deal to fab a harness with them inline


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The dealer can only add options that Chrysler has made accessible to them in the DealerCONNECT system. The particular options will vary depending on the truck. I've heard that early Express models have the option for LED tails and front signals because the black express group came with them. I have not confirmed this.

I use the AutoEnginuity tool that I've discussed in more detail in other threads.

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the factory led tail lights have a signal wire that goes back to bcm to check if tail light are working. I saw in 2500 and 3500 they have a feature in bcm to disable bulb out checking because they usually add more lights for (police, construction, fire). But I have yet to see how to disable this in a 1500. Please keep us updated

On trucks without factory LED tails, adding LEDs will generate a bulb out warning because of the lack of current draw. The official solution is to add/cut a wire (2500/3500 only) or add resistors. On trucks that came with LED tails, there is the fault sense wire you mention. It checks the state of the turn signal and the truck will hyperflash if it thinks there is an error. If you replace them with different LED tails, you need to add relays to put the right signal on this line.

In my case, when I tested, I set the options for LED brake, parking, and signal lights. I had no hyperflash or warnings. I expected that this would make the truck behave like a factory LED truck and the fault sense wire would be needed, but it didn't seem to be. It's possible that it is an additional option that I didn't enable. Admittedly, my testing was with one light and not for very long. Once I get my new lights in, I'll reevaluate and if there are issues I'll either add resistors or try to find the fault sense wires at the BCM so I can add relays there.

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I made the adapters for the other side last night and since I knew what I was doing this time, took photos of everything. I'll post details once I can sit down in front of my computer as it'll be too much to do from my phone.
 

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Well, unfortunately, it looks like the truck does eventually detect an error with the turn signals after configuring the BCM. It is no longer storing codes for the parking lights and brake lights, but it is flagging the signals and blinking fast. My assumption is that it wants to see the fault sense signal now that it is configured for LEDs. So, I need to either add resistors and disable the LED setting, connect relays to the fault sense wires under the dash or at I220, or run wires from the tails to I220.
 

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Where is the i220 located?

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Where is the i220 located?

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It's the big one under the truck behind the driver's wheel well.
 

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Well, unfortunately, it looks like the truck does eventually detect an error with the turn signals after configuring the BCM. It is no longer storing codes for the parking lights and brake lights, but it is flagging the signals and blinking fast. My assumption is that it wants to see the fault sense signal now that it is configured for LEDs. So, I need to either add resistors and disable the LED setting, connect relays to the fault sense wires under the dash or at I220, or run wires from the tails to I220.



If you ran the wire to the 220 connector from the tails are you doing the same thing like the 2500/3500 with the pin 15 to ground or something else? I think I probably confused myself reading lol. I would like to do mine without resistors if possible like I said before so was just curious what your logic is to the 220 connector. Thanks


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If you ran the wire to the 220 connector from the tails are you doing the same thing like the 2500/3500 with the pin 15 to ground or something else? I think I probably confused myself reading lol. I would like to do mine without resistors if possible like I said before so was just curious what your logic is to the 220 connector. Thanks


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Because I used my scan tool to set the BCM configuration for LED rear turn signals, my expectation is that the truck will behave as it would if it came with LEDs. In trucks that come that way, there is that extra "lighting fault sense" wire which runs from the BCM, down to I220, and then to the tails. So, without it, the truck isn't happy. It looks like I have the wires running to I220 from the BCM, but not in the chassis harness. If I add those wires, the lights should be wired exactly as they would be in a factory LED truck.
 

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Because I used my scan tool to set the BCM configuration for LED rear turn signals, my expectation is that the truck will behave as it would if it came with LEDs. In trucks that come that way, there is that extra "lighting fault sense" wire which runs from the BCM, down to I220, and then to the tails. So, without it, the truck isn't happy. It looks like I have the wires running to I220 from the BCM, but not in the chassis harness. If I add those wires, the lights should be wired exactly as they would be in a factory LED truck.



Keep us posted and if it works I'd definitely like to know what wire to check for as far as knowing if mine has it prewired from the can. Running a wire to the tails to plug in there seems to easy. Dare I say to good to be true lol.


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Keep us posted and if it works I'd definitely like to know what wire to check for as far as knowing if mine has it prewired from the can. Running a wire to the tails to plug in there seems to easy. Dare I say to good to be true lol.


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Well, it's not just the wire. You'd still need the configuration changed. Having the wire is meaningless if the truck thinks it's supposed to have incandescent bulbs.
 

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Hey, really awesome to see that you've been able to make the entire plug and play harness. How long would it take you to build me a set? Or could you give me part numbers for the connectors and pins and I could throw them together myself
 

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I'm trying to figure out how to upload pics but I'm getting ready to build my harness and I have some Morimoto resisters left over from a hid kit and wanted to see if I could use them. They're 6.4 ohm according to my meter
 

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Thanks! The wattage is what I don't know. They were designed for the bulb out indicator in a new Ford Focus
 

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Just checking if you were able to make the "lighting fault sense" wire work in your truck? I picked up a pair of Laramie LED taillights with the harness and am gathering info and parts to make it happen. Any idea if M2 mods (Mike & Mike) have come up with a wiring solution? I'm planning on buying the AE tool to assist in troubleshooting and waking up a few options, I'm fortunate since it'll work on my 08 Jeep JKU as well :naughty:
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Because I used my scan tool to set the BCM configuration for LED rear turn signals, my expectation is that the truck will behave as it would if it came with LEDs. In trucks that come that way, there is that extra "lighting fault sense" wire which runs from the BCM, down to I220, and then to the tails. So, without it, the truck isn't happy. It looks like I have the wires running to I220 from the BCM, but not in the chassis harness. If I add those wires, the lights should be wired exactly as they would be in a factory LED truck.
 
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