Interested in the 6.4, which years?

[Bisley45]

Well i just drove a titan xd gasser with the 7 speed , it's a fine truck! Lots to consider between the two.

Don't you just love research! We live in a great time for trucks!

 

[lpfm1990]

My heavy towing will be flat land, 500 feet above sea level. I know a f150 ecoboost would probably serve me well, but what happens when a car pulls out in front of you....that's why I'm looking a at gas 2500...

Wait a minute, hold on......





We have got a guy here who is using his brain... This is rare!!! Same reason I drive a 3500 (couldn't find a decent set up 2500) a half ton would serve me well 99% of the time. But pulling 6-8k with a trailer and snowmobiles. And gear in the truck it's pushing a half ton to its limit. Yes it will do it. But the what if is why I drive an HD (besides the fact they are built easier to work on and last over a throw away half ton)

 

[Bisley45]

Wait a minute, hold on......





We have got a guy here who is using his brain... This is rare!!! Same reason I drive a 3500 (couldn't find a decent set up 2500) a half ton would serve me well 99% of the time. But pulling 6-8k with a trailer and snowmobiles. And gear in the truck it's pushing a half ton to its limit. Yes it will do it. But the what if is why I drive an HD (besides the fact they are built easier to work on and last over a throw away half ton)

I'm trying not to do that to often, folks start expecting things!

 

[Danno]

Do your research....

TFLTrucks has a good demonstration of the 6.4 in action pulling.

You cant find the power curve on factory dyno published by Ram/Dodge, no real info on performance besides third party testing. Granted the listed dyno's are not the manufacture but the same company, they show different results with a smaller engine leading.

TFLTruck testing is done multipule times and even consulted manufacture FCA to see if there is something wrong with test. The outcome is less powerful engines at max capacity out perform the 6.4 below its max capacity. End state is either the 6.4 is not as powerful as they say or the J2807 towing standard to caluculate the capacity wasn't conducted correctly. How can a less powerful truck at max capacity out perform a more powerful truck below max capacity?

 

[bryan28]

Regarding the incentives when ordering a truck...one salesman told me I would get the incentives available when the vehicle arrives. Another at the same dealership told me that if I ordered a new vehicle from them I would get either the rebates available at the time of the order or those available when the vehicle arrives...whichever was greater. She even made a point of correcting the first salesman in front of me and he admitted his "mistake". It's a ploy to get you to order right then.

 

[Danno]

Wait a minute, hold on......





We have got a guy here who is using his brain... This is rare!!! Same reason I drive a 3500 (couldn't find a decent set up 2500) a half ton would serve me well 99% of the time. But pulling 6-8k with a trailer and snowmobiles. And gear in the truck it's pushing a half ton to its limit. Yes it will do it. But the what if is why I drive an HD (besides the fact they are built easier to work on and last over a throw away half ton)

Have you seen the recent crash test data for Ram, not good.... Look for other manufactures to include larger transmissions, rumor of a 10 speed SD in 2017.

 

[Padilen]

So don't crash into anything.[emoji12]

 

[lpfm1990]

Have you seen the recent crash test data for Ram, not good.... Look for other manufactures to include larger transmissions, rumor of a 10 speed SD in 2017.

I go by the lug nut theory, "ye who has the most lug nuts shall win the battle" in other words. If blonde in her civic is busy texting and hits me head on, I'm pretty sure I've got alittle better chance of walking away from this. Now if mr peterbilt hit me head on, well I'm just ******

 

[RoadDog66]

Danno I'm not sure why you are commenting here. Is it just to bash RAM and the 6.4? If you don't have anything worthwhile to post how about you don't post at all. If you are not happy with your choice of the 5.7 or RAM in general then say so and move on.

It's very aggravating when trolls find their way into these discussions.

 

[Bisley45]

Performance on a dyno isn't everything, I was satisfied with my test drive. I have 0 plans of towing out west, over the mountains. However the ride was head and shoulders above the gm and ford. The Titan xd gasser I just drove rode better but the numbers on paper arnt as good. That truck has some giddy up.

 

[Bisley45]

Lol, I'm stealing that one!

 

[RoadDog66]

Bisley, I've had 3 Titan's and they were great. I was waiting on the XD Cummins but the pricing and ratings weren't looking so good. I decided diesel wasn't for me and I needed more payload than a 1/2 ton offered so I chose my HD 6.4 Hemi.

I wanted the 4.10's which I quickly discovered was like searching for Bigfoot. So when I found a great deal on the truck in my signature I grabbed it up. I tow a 7K trailer with another 500 lbs in the bed and 4 people & 2 dogs in the cab with ease. Theres plenty of guys towing near or over 10K with the same feelings.

It did take some getting used to with the torque management of the 66rfe transmission, but I don't think I need any additional power at all. Unloaded this 7100 lb monster will get up and go with ease and the ride is pretty great for an HD. Air down the tires a bit from the ridiculous 80 psi recommended pressure and its even better. Only modification I'd like to make is a better sounding exhaust.

If you end up ordering one go ahead and get the 4.10s for the cheap option price, but if you find a killer deal on one with 3.73s don't let it be a deal breaker. JMHO.

 

[lpfm1990]

Best truck I ever owned for flat out acceleration and getting to top speed in a hurry was my tundra rock warrior, 5.7, 6 speed, 4.30 rear end with 17" rims and meaty by Goodrich all terrians, that would show any other truck where to ****, but when it came to pulling it did it find, but the trans cooler was located in a stupid area (built in with the ac core and the rows it used where up behind the rad cradle) so it cooked the trans fluid pulling in the hills (pegged the gauge well past hot!!! And yes it was in tow/haul)


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[Bisley45]

Bisley, I've had 3 Titan's and they were great. I was waiting on the XD Cummins but the pricing and ratings weren't looking so good. I decided diesel wasn't for me and I needed more payload than a 1/2 ton offered so I chose my HD 6.4 Hemi.

I wanted the 4.10's which I quickly discovered was like searching for Bigfoot. So when I found a great deal on the truck in my signature I grabbed it up. I tow a 7K trailer with another 500 lbs in the bed and 4 people & 2 dogs in the cab with ease. Theres plenty of guys towing near or over 10K with the same feelings.

It did take some getting used to with the torque management of the 66rfe transmission, but I don't think I need any additional power at all. Unloaded this 7100 lb monster will get up and go with ease and the ride is pretty great for an HD. Air down the tires a bit from the ridiculous 80 psi recommended pressure and its even better. Only modification I'd like to make is a better sounding exhaust.

If you end up ordering one go ahead and get the 4.10s for the cheap option price, but if you find a killer deal on one with 3.73s don't let it be a deal breaker. JMHO.

Good post! The XD Cummins dosen't have the pay load. I saw the door sticker on one that said 1600 ish pounds.....that's solid half ton material. The gasser I drove today said 2093lbs. That works for the load I'm pulling with room to spare. Granted the ram is over 3000... I think they are both viable options at this point, and in a couple of months similar optioned trucks (loaded tradesmen and sv) could be had for 35k.

With my VERY short daily commute a diesel is out of the question.

I'm very much for either truck right now, and I think this is great dialog!

 

[Dmopar74]

Only thing I don't like about my 6.4 is the transmission. The engine is a brute, but sometimes she'll take off like a rocket, other times is like pulling teeth to accelerate.

 

[lpfm1990]

Only thing I don't like about my 6.4 is the transmission. The engine is a brute, but sometimes she'll take off like a rocket, other times is like pulling teeth to accelerate.

I've gotten use to the trans after 16,500 miles. To be honest. The gm 6 speed in their 2500/3500 had a lot of the same characteristics in my 2012 3500 6.0, just have to be use to "hammering" it out of the corner then letting up as you get it down into the correct gear

 

[mtofell]

As an owner of the Hem 6.4 2500 I can honestly say if there is a half ton that fits your towing needs go for it. An HD truck is A LOT more harsh of a ride. The last 1/2 ton I had was an 05 Titan and I definitely miss the sports car feel and soft ride of that truck.

Seeing 1/2 ton payloads get up and over 1500# is nice. There's long been a gap between the payloads of 1500 and 2500 trucks. I'd have to think a manufacturer could sell a lot of trucks with a payload rating of around 1800-2000#. 800# of people and gear in the truck and +/- 1000# tongue weight from a modest TT.

 

[SouthTexan]

And no...there's no way a 1/2T ecoboost will stand up to the strain of towing that heavy. It will go boom pretty quickly.

It's actually already been done. One of the tests when the Ecoboost came out was towing its max capacity(at the time) of 11,300 lbs at full throttle for 24 hours straight at Daytona motor speedway totaling 1,607 miles with an average speed of 82 mph. It only stopped for fuel and tires. Needless to say it didn't go boom. In fact that very same engine even went on to tow up Davis Dam a few times and run in the Baja 1000 before doing a a final dyno and tear down showing no signs of power loss or damage. There are videos showing this and the live tear down.

Another one of their tests was to leave the engine at wide open throttle for 15 days straight. It didn't go boom there either.

 

[theviking]

Please forgive Danno. She's obviously having a bit of little man syndrome and buyers remorse. Or possibly she doesn't actually own a truck at all and is just trolling out of boredom. Hard to say.

The Ram 6.4 block and heads were actually used as a base for the Hellcat motor. The heads are manufactured from 356 aluminum and have improved cooling over the 'standard' 6.4. The pistons and crank are forged, the rods have full floating pins and the motor uses oil jets for cooling the pistons. The exhaust values are nitride coated and sodium filled for heat resistance. The engine comes standard with a high capacity oil cooler. The motor was built to survive a lot of abuse.

The standard 5.7 comes with none of the above, so your $1395 is money very well spent on the upgraded motor.

SRT Engineer Explains How Hellcat Hemi Pulls 707 Horsepower - EngineLabs
6.4 liter Hemi truck engines for Ram pickups and chassis cabs

 

[lpfm1990]

Love how it says uses the "standard small oil filter" and then talk about how everything is built to last... I gotta look around and find a filter that's abit bigger (more realistic for a truck)


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