Anyone HAPPY with Borg Warner 44-44 / Auto 4WD

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Yeah, I've kinda discovered the same think. Like some kinda Mopar/Borg Warner skunkworks.

I've found forum threads where people have used generic ATF type transfer case fluid with good results. But, who knows for certain.

Amsoil lists 2 fluids for the 44-44
https://www.amsoil.com/lookup/auto-...kup/5-7l-8-cyl-engine-code-t-ezh-a/us-volume/
I actually ran the Amsoil SS MVATF in my 44-44. I did notice however that the clutch seemed a little "sluggish" to engage, especially in 4Auto, vs the Mopar fluid. After about 3 months I drained it out and put the Mopar fluid back in and it was back to normal. I doubt there was any damage but I didn't want to take any chances.

I've emailed Redline about what fluid they recommended and they said that BW/FCA hasn't released the specs for their tcase fluid so they don't dare recommend a fluid for it. This seems to be the case because Royal Purple, and a slew of other oil companies don't have a listing for the 44-44. I'm toying with the idea of trying plain ATF+4 and see what happens.
 

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I could swear I found a PDF file that listed cross referenes to a bunch of different fluids. The Mopar fluid part for the 44-44 xfer case crossed to the Amsoil(s) listed above and Im pretty sure also to the Valvoline Multi Vehicle Transfer Case Fluid.

But I cant find the PDF and I dont see anything on their website about a Mopar spec. Ill keep looking.
 

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I could swear I found a PDF file that listed cross referenes to a bunch of different fluids. The Mopar fluid part for the 44-44 xfer case crossed to the Amsoil(s) listed above and Im pretty sure also to the Valvoline Multi Vehicle Transfer Case Fluid.

But I cant find the PDF and I dont see anything on their website about a Mopar spec. Ill keep looking.
I would love to see that
 

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I would love to see that

Mea culpa....I was mistaken. The cross reference I found was for the TRANSMISSION fluid (for 8HP70), not the transfer case stuff.

Luckily the xfer case doesnt seem to take too much, so only 2 overpriced quarts are necessary.
 

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Mea culpa....I was mistaken. The cross reference I found was for the TRANSMISSION fluid (for 8HP70), not the transfer case stuff.

Luckily the xfer case doesnt seem to take too much, so only 2 overpriced quarts are necessary.
Oh well thanks for looking. Like you said, it's only 2 quarts. I feel $45/year for piece of mind isn't bad at all
 

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When a rotating part vibrates within an apparent speed range (above x rpm but below y rpm) it's usually only apparent at a specific speed, but actually present at all speeds.

For example, below a certain rpm the resonant frequency isn't fast enough to be felt/noticed, and above a certain rpm the frequency is fast enough that its individual oscillations are homogeneous.

Kinda how a really fast machine gun sounds like a buzzsaw. Your ear can't separate the individual shots.

The existence of the vibration tells you there's a problem, but it's specific rpm range doesn't tell you what the problem is.

I would look at the CV axles and universal joints. Those are the 4wd related parts that rotate all the time that the vehicle is moving, but are effected when 4wd is selected.



Does it occur in both 4lock and 4 auto, or just one of those settings?

Replacement CV axles can be had on eBay for just over 200.00. I would start there

Sent you a PM, we can talk outside of this thread :)
 

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This is a drastic oversimplification, but try and visualise the inside of the transfer case as having 2 rotating plates facing each other separated by s tiny gap.

The front plate (we will call it the driven plate)is connected through the front driveshaft, to the front differential and front wheels.

The rear plate is connected to the transmission and rear wheels via the transmission output shaft (we will call the rear plate the drive plate).

Visualize the drive plate (rear plate) as bring on a splined shaft which allows it to slide fore/aft, just enough that it can can be forced forward along the splined shaft, and into contact with the front shaft.

For this explanation, it's necessary to visualize relative clock positions of the two plates (the plates clock positions relative to each other). Let's say that when driving in a strait line, on pavement, the rear wheels are turning and pushing the truck along the highway at x speed. The roadway is causing the front wheels to rotate at the same speed as the rear wheels, as such, the two plates are rotating at the same speed relative to each other. They are maintaining the same relative clock positions.

The ballramp/torsion spring assembly is basically a big, heavy duty ratchet. Like a recluse motorcycle clutch. Imagine it as being similar to a starter Bendix as well. Picture the drive plates shaft as having helical splines, Wich the drive plate rides on. Like a nut on a screw. When the shaft the drive plate rides on is turned, the torque applied to the shaft forces the drive plate tighter against the driven plate. The higher the force applied to the shaft, the higher the force the drive plate applies to the driven plate.

If the truck begins to turn, the front wheels begin to track around a larger radius than the rear wheels. This takes the pressure off the drive plate and allows the driven plate to turn faster than the drive plate. This could be viewed as "slip", but not the kind of slip that causes wear. It's more like the slip that a brake pad undergoes, when the brakes are-not in use.

When the rear wheels start to lose traction, this allows the drive plate and shaft to advance it's clock position relative to the driven plate, which, because of the drive plates helical splines, forces the drive plate against the driven plate and rotates the driven plate as well.

The torsion spring is the part that holds the drive plate and the driven plate apart.

The electromagnetic clutch , when energized, overcomes the strength of the torsion spring and forces the plates together.

So, in 2wd, the electromagnetic clutch is never activated and the drive/driven plates are never in contact.

In 4 auto, when the computer detects wheel slip, it energizes the electromagnetic clutch, it overcomes the force of the torsion spring forcing the plates together. When the plates are in contact with each other, the ball ramp (helical splined shaft) forces the plates together using whatever amount of torque the engine is producing. If you start to go around a turn, the driven shafts clock position advances relative to the drive shaft and the ball ramp releases, allowing the torsion spring to separate the plates. If your rear wheels slip while in the turn, the drive plates clock position advances relative to the driven plate, and the ball ramp mashes the plates back together. About 90ish degrees of advance in the drive plates clock position, relative to the driven plate, is required to force the plates together. When the computer senses no more slip, it deactivates the electromagnetic clutch, allowing the torsion spring to separate the plates.

It is important to note however, that the engines torque transmitted through the helically splined shaft and drive plate, greatly exceed the strength of the torsion spring. If under engine load, computer deenergization of the electromagnetic clutch will not cause the drive plate to release the driven plate.

In 4 lock, the electromagnetic clutch remains energized. The clutch plates remain in contact. Any time the driven plates clock position advances relative to the drive plate, such as while turning, the ball ramp (like a ratchet) allows the driven plate to advance it's clock position relative to the drive plate. Any time the drive plates shaft (helical splined shaft) attempts to advance it's clock position relative to the driven plate, it forces the plates tightly together.

In 4lock, while turning, the driven plate is advancing it's clock position relative to the drive plate, so technically, it is in fact slipping. But, it's slipping only a few degrees and only overcoming the applied force of the electromagnet clutch, which at 12volts10amps, is very small. The only force capable of any significant effect is the engine torque, via the helically splined shaft, forcing the plates together.

Now, all that said, it is a simplification for the purpose of easing explanation. There is no helically splined shaft. A big heavy duty assembly of balls and ramps takes the role of the helically splined shaft.

The 2 clutch plates are actually a couple dozen plates mounted in a big splined basket.

The clutch basket assembly is rated for about 1700 ft lbs of CONTINUOUS use, and for intermittent loads of much much more. Any slippage occurring as the driven plates advance clock position relative to the drive plates do-not occur under load.

Any time the drive plates attempt to advance clock position relative to the driven plates, there is significant load. The engines torque force the plates together. The more throttle you add, the more the torque, the more the force driving the plates together.

If your in 4 lock or 4 auto, and the transfer case clutch pack is allowing the rears to turn but not the front, then there is something severely wrong.
I get what you are saying, but I also am one of the few who had issues with this transfer case. In 4wd if you are turning the steering wheel the clutch pressure is decreased. You are going to say it's impossible I'm sure, but that came directly from the engineers who designed the 4wd system on these trucks. When that happens the clutch will start to slip and then overheat, mine did it many times and they said it was operating as designed and if I wanted to take my truck off road at all I should buy a truck with a different transfer case. As for the torque rating, no one is taking into account the transfer case itself. So a stock hemi puts out 407 foot lbs., times that by 1st gear which is 4.71, times that by low range which is 2.64 and you get a grand total of 5060 foot lbs of torque. Divide that by 2 because it is split 50/50 theoretically and you get 2530 foot pounds that can potentially be sent through that clutch. That's also assuming there are no power adding mods.

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I get what you are saying, but I also am one of the few who had issues with this transfer case. In 4wd if you are turning the steering wheel the clutch pressure is decreased. You are going to say it's impossible I'm sure, but that came directly from the engineers who designed the 4wd system on these trucks. When that happens the clutch will start to slip and then overheat, mine did it many times and they said it was operating as designed and if I wanted to take my truck off road at all I should buy a truck with a different transfer case. As for the torque rating, no one is taking into account the transfer case itself. So a stock hemi puts out 407 foot lbs., times that by 1st gear which is 4.71, times that by low range which is 2.64 and you get a grand total of 5060 foot lbs of torque. Divide that by 2 because it is split 50/50 theoretically and you get 2530 foot pounds that can potentially be sent through that clutch. That's also assuming there are no power adding mods.

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Your right that under certain circumstances more torque could be transmitted through the clutch than its rated for.
Keep in mind that in order to produce peak torque, and transmit it through the transfer case, you'd be at full throttle AND the engine would @ 4400rpm, AND the wheels all having solid traction. Under those circumstances, you could perhaps break things.

As for the clutch releasing when you turn the wheels, I obviously can't cross examine the person you spoke with to determine how this occurs, I can only attest to the parts I personally observe to be present in the transfer case, and how they interact with each other.

My education is in mechanical engineering.

I can theorize though, on some failure modes. I'll assume the most likely part to wear out (the clutch pack) has worn out, and describe as best I can the failure mode:

Let's say the truck with a worn out transfer case clutch pack, is in 4 auto, driving on dry pavement. In this case, the engine torque is transmitted to the rear wheels and pushes the truck along the roadway. The roadway moving under the front wheels causes them to rotate at about the same speed as the rear wheels, and the ball ramp does nothing.

Now, the driver stops at an icy intersection, then attempts to drive away, and the rear tires spin. The computer senses the rear wheel spin, and sends current to the electromagnetic clutch.

The worn out electromagnetic clutch, even though being squeezed by a small amount of force from a set of electromagnets, keeps slipping because the friction material on the friction plates is glazed and burned. The torsion spring would continue to rotate the friction plate basket and without sufficient friction resistance in the electromagnetic clutch, the ball ramp would never engage. The continuous slipping would cause further burning and glazing of the friction material, increasing the mode of failure.

The behavior would manifest in the same manner in 4 lock.

So, in summary: the function of the entire system is entirely dependant on the initial friction (grabbing force) of the electromagnetic clutch.

Once the clutch pack wears to the point of slipping under the force of the electromagnetic clutch, it will stop getting the full clamping force of the ball ramp and complete failure will be imminent.

Knowing this, I'll make sure I never test the system by holding the brake and throttle at the same time!

Another potential mode of failure would me a mass-moment-inertia shock to the emclutch. To describe a situation that could cause this:

Your in a 4wd mode (lock or auto) and spinning all 4 wheels at high rpm, on a surface suck as mud or ice. Then, with all 4 wheels spinning at high speed, the front wheels encounter dry pavement and stop suddenly with the rear wheels still spinning.

In this case, the ball ramp would engage violently and the rotating mass of the rear wheels would send a couple tens of thousands of ft lbs of torque through the clutch pack. They clutch plates would absolutely slip, and do so while under tremendous load. This would likely burn and glaze the friction material, and ensure that the any further use result in the first failure mode manifesting itself.

Again, as I already own this truck and am not in a position to replace it, I'll make sure to never put it in this situation.

An easy fix, is if we could find a source to replace the clutch plates. Their replacement is relatively easy, and it's obviously a consumable part, like brake pads. I don't understand why a can't seem to find replacements online anywhere. Mopar seems to insist on only selling replacement transfer cases, rather than replacement parts.

The 44-04 and 44-05 use clutch plates that are available anywhere, cheap. I wonder if they are interchangeable?
 
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I get what you are saying, but I also am one of the few who had issues with this transfer case. In 4wd if you are turning the steering wheel the clutch pressure is decreased. You are going to say it's impossible I'm sure, but that came directly from the engineers who designed the 4wd system on these trucks. When that happens the clutch will start to slip and then overheat, mine did it many times and they said it was operating as designed and if I wanted to take my truck off road at all I should buy a truck with a different transfer case. As for the torque rating, no one is taking into account the transfer case itself. So a stock hemi puts out 407 foot lbs., times that by 1st gear which is 4.71, times that by low range which is 2.64 and you get a grand total of 5060 foot lbs of torque. Divide that by 2 because it is split 50/50 theoretically and you get 2530 foot pounds that can potentially be sent through that clutch. That's also assuming there are no power adding mods.

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This makes sense to me, as I recall having the most issues with mine when turning. It was when I would be turning that the truck felt like it was just fighting for traction. Once during a snow storm I was behind the house and was turning the truck around. Went to go up over the curb and got sucker punched lol. Couldn’t get the truck up over the curb with the wheel turned over. There was probably 5 inches of snow on the pavement and 7 or 8 on the non-pavement part. Kind of deep but nothing crazy. What? How is my Hemi Ram not getting up over this damn curb. After I realized it wouldn’t work in that direction, I tried it with a more straight forward approach in a slightly different spot just as a test and it went up. But the more I had the wheel turned, the less traction I’d get. If it was a straight shot it would be fine. Chalked it up to physics?


On the first significant snow storm of this winter I did the same thing with my HD, on purpose of course I set it up as best I could remember how I first was in the 1500. Had the wheel full left. Started easing onto the gas, crawled up without any drama. Of course the HD is heavier and I have bigger tires on it, so it’s not actually apples to apples. But I was very impressed with it.


It would be nice to see how a Rebel with the 44-45 does vs say a Laramie with 44-44 in certain situations. That would be the real test. Trucks with very similar weight and the same engine/trans. Both A/T tires. Just the different Tcase. We know Ram put the 44-45 in the Rebel for a reason.
 

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I've had all 4 wheels spinning while turning at full lock. I'm thinking that many of us got good transfer cases, but many of you got lemons.

It's unfortunate, as the system has potential. I may order a set of 44-05 clutch plates and see if they'll fit. If they did fit, it would solve slot of problems being had by many.
 

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How would one be able to tell if its a "lemon" or not?

I was in 4-Auto today, backing into a parking spot, and could swear I felt binding as I gave it some throttle to back up (wheels were turned but not full lock). I think its crazy that the exact operation of the system isn't really published anywhere other than your tear-down and inspection.

The fact I got binding in 4-Auto while the rear wheels had full traction makes it sound like there is still power being fed to the front regardless. One service tech told me thats true, said 20% or so of torque goes to front wheels at all times. But others (here and other forums) say its just not true.
 

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Yours is likely fine, since you feel some binding. Mine binds as well.

Your tech is kinda right! When the electromagnetic clutch is engaged, even without the ball ramp being engaged, there is 'some' power to the front. Is not likely anywhere near 20% though.

I'd wager, those having problems, such as lovesracing1988, likely doesn't get the binding. Mine binds like a ***** in 4 lock going around those stupid roundabouts we have in Bellingham.

For those who find the front wheels stop turning when they turn the steering wheel, it can be explained as well.

If your clutch pack is bad, and you turn the steering wheel the added angle to the CV axles and added traction, will add more load to the EM clutch. If the clutch is already slipping, turning the front wheels will make it slip worse.
 

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I actually find it hard to determine if the front wheels are really spinning. This whole 4-auto thing has my head....spinning (pun intended)

Since Im used to the front wheels always being engaged, when I feel rear wheels slipping in my RAM I back off the throttle to get traction. And in 4-Auto (and 4-Lock, it looks like) all that does is DISengage the front wheels if they happened to be engaged.

I definitely need to change my driving habits to make the 44-44 work for me.
 

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If the front engages, it should stay engaged untill all 4 wheels start rotating at the same speed, which takes the load off the ball ramp and allows the torsion spring to open the clutch pack.

Your driving it fine. Backing off the throttle shouldn't disengage anything. But, keep some throttle so the traction control can operate.
 

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I've been doing research on these cases looking for parts interchangeability and keep seeing the NP-246 and NV-246 referenced on GM sites as interchangeable. Also seeing lots of stuff on Mopar sites indicating that the NV-246 and the BW 44-44 are somewhat interchangeable.

If that's the case, or if at least if they share the same clutch plates, there are some quality aftermarket clutch plates available for the NP246 and NV246.

If they use the same clutch plates, installing high quality aftermarket clutch plates would probably do wonders for those having trouble.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Transfer-C...ash=item1ec000a1f9:g:F14AAOSw9GhYgYYk&vxp=mtr

It seems to have the correct number of plates. I seem to recall from a photo from Rockland Gears website counting 9 steel and 10 friction plates in the 44-44 they disassembled.

quite a bit of info in this thread:

http://www.ramforumz.com/showthread.php?t=217104

This video is of a well functioning 44-44 equipped truck. At the 2 minute 20 second point, while in 4 auto and all 4 wheels spinning, he turns the steering wheel all the way to the left. You can clearly see that the front wheels continue to spin, at every point as he turns the steering wheel. In his properly functioning 44-44, turning the steering wheel does not disengage the 44-44 clutch pack.

At just after the 7 minute point they do a trailer test on ice, in 2wd, 4 auto and in 4 lock.

At some points in the video, its impossible to see what the opposite side wheels are doing, and it doesn't indicate which mode the transfer case selector is in. But in the sections where you can both see all the wheels, and it indicates the position of the transfer case selector, you can see how it works.


Keep in mind that Ram trucks use Brake Traction Control. So, if the front left starts spinning, the traction control will brake that wheel and transfer power to the right, and vise versa, and the same on the rear wheels. So at many points in the video, you will see the front wheel only spinning, which means the opposite front is braking. Also, if in a 4wd mode, you see the rear only spinning, then look at the opposite front and youll see its spinning as well due to the Brake Traction Control, which occurs at the 3min8second point with the right rear, and front left spinning. Then again in reverse, at the 3min40second point, with the front right and left rear spinning.

At the 4 minute point you can see a good example of the brake traction control switching back and forth braking on both axles searching for a wheel with traction, with at first, the right rear and front left spinning for a few seconds, the switching to allow both right side wheels to spin.

The trailer test at the 7 minute point is the best example, as your able to see at least 3 of the wheels AND theres a caption showing which transfer case mode is selected.
 
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Ok, so after further research, the NV246 and NP246 clutch plates definitely don't fit. Different number of internal and external splines on the steel and friction plates, as well as different splined drum and shaft diameters.

But, the BW44-05 plates, both steel and friction plates, have exactly the same number of splines as the 44-44. I ordered a set of lightly used 44-44 plates on ebay, and will shortly be ordering a set of new aftermarket 44-05 plates so I can dimension them, and see how close they are.

The 44-05 uses 5 steel and 6 friction plates whereas the 44-44 uses 9 steel and 10 friction plates.

From a manufacturing perspective, it would make a lot of sense for Borg Warner to manufacture the 44-44 to accept plates that are already in production for other transfer case models, just using a different number of them. The 44-05 and others appear to use the same plates and are used by both ford and GM.
 

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Ok, so after further research, the NV246 and NP246 clutch plates definitely don't fit. Different number of internal and external splines on the steel and friction plates, as well as different splined drum and shaft diameters.

But, the BW44-05 plates, both steel and friction plates, have exactly the same number of splines as the 44-44. I ordered a set of lightly used 44-44 plates on ebay, and will shortly be ordering a set of new aftermarket 44-05 plates so I can dimension them, and see how close they are.

The 44-05 uses 5 steel and 6 friction plates whereas the 44-44 uses 9 steel and 10 friction plates.

From a manufacturing perspective, it would make a lot of sense for Borg Warner to manufacture the 44-44 to accept plates that are already in production for other transfer case models, just using a different number of them. The 44-05 and others appear to use the same plates and are used by both ford and GM.
Nice find! Let us know if they're similar when you get them
 

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Also, I contacted www.rigidaxle.com, and was advised that they sell a clutch pack replacement kit containing all the friction and steel plates for the BW44-44 for 329.95 shipped.
 

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An interesting aside - the "z" forum thread linked here that shows the "part time" mod....the xfer case there has a harmonic weight attached.

Mine does not. Doesnt even have the mounting "standoffs" seen in the pic on that thread.

Why did they make that change?
 
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