10K pounds with the 6.4 2500

Ramit355 · Jan 23, 2018

mohemipar said:
Exactly. And as I said last page, Ram engineers say they are not building a 1500 to tow what most buyers would want a 2500 for.

I forget what media outlet it was, but I saw a question asked to one of Ram's engineers about the max tow rating. "why not go over 13k and beat Ford". Basically said they aren't in it to play the numbers game on what an HD truck should be towing. I have also heard them say this before.

Maybe Ram should offer an HD 1500 package like Ford does. But I don't think it's necessary. A lot of people now are buying 1/2 tons and just using them like they are SUV's. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Ram gets that. And the trucks are more than capable of towing a lot of weight. Just nothing crazy.

BlkZrx said:
Ram won't beef up the 1500 to the point it would compete with it's own HD line. That would be a disastrous business decision.

Sent from my LG-K540 using Tapatalk

Agreed, but Ram is raising the bar on the 1500 to the edge of 13000. That will require a different axle that has been used for the last 20 years in the 1/2 tons to increase the pay\pull capacities. I think if I'am not mistaken the 1 ton is on its own frame separate from the 1500/2500 series or when I owned a 3500.

smurfs_of_war · Jan 23, 2018

Ramit355 said:
Agreed, but Ram is raising the bar on the 1500 to the edge of 13000. That will require a different axle that has been used for the last 20 years in the 1/2 tons to increase the pay\pull capacities. I think the if I'am not mistaken the 1 ton is on its own frame separate from the 1500/2500 series.

2500 and 3500 share the same frame.

Sent from my mobile

BlkZrx · Jan 23, 2018

No.
2500 and 3500 share same frame. Coils on 3/4 and heavier leafs on 1 ton

Sent from my LG-K540 using Tapatalk

SouthTexan · Jan 23, 2018

Most of the people that I know that wished Ram made an HD 1500 is to increase its hauling capabilities, not its towing capabilities. They don't like or need the engines available in HD and would like to have an Ecodiesel or 3.6L truck that can haul up to 2,000 lbs in a 4x4 crew cab configuration just like the F150 HD. I know the low payload in the 1500's is what kept my company from adding the Ecodiesel to our 200+ parts truck fleet.

Ramit355 · Jan 23, 2018

smurfs_of_war said:
2500 and 3500 share the same frame.

Sent from my mobile

In 1995 the Diesels had a 9 1/2 inch Frame with the 1500 and gaser 2500 on 7 inch. I'm not sure what size is used today thats been quite awhile back and with 1/2 vs 3/4 vs 1 ton is all out of the old school classes now....use to be a 1/2 ton would not come close to the Capacities they have now, but with costs of Diesels Vs. gas in 2500 I would say the standard 2500 may be same as 1500 with the 2500 hd diesel with the larger shared frame with the 1 ton. No reference yet to compare to for 19 1500's but There should be one for the 3/4 and 1 tons and hd's.

mohemipar · Jan 23, 2018

SouthTexan said:
Most of the people that I know that wished Ram made an HD 1500 is to increase its hauling capabilities, not its towing capabilities. They don't like or need the engines available in HD and would like to have an Ecodiesel or 3.6L truck that can haul up to 2,000 lbs in a 4x4 crew cab configuration just like the F150 HD. I know the low payload in the 1500's is what kept my company from adding the Ecodiesel to our 200+ parts truck fleet.

Yeah I agree with this 100%. I was tired of worrying about payload, which is why I went to 2500. I hardly tow and when I do it is no where near the stress levels of this truck. I went from less than 1500 pounds of payload to just over 3000 (door stickers). Now I don't even have to think about if I'm going over or if the truck will sag to the ground. And the ride/driveability of the truck is really not that much worse IMO.

Once the gen 5 starts hitting lots it will be interesting to see what the door stickers say for payload on the Big Horns and Laramies. I hope it is better than the gen 4 payloads.

mohemipar · Jan 23, 2018

Ramit355 said:
In 1995 the Diesels had a 9 1/2 inch Frame with the 1500 and gaser 2500 on 7 inch. I'm not sure what size is used today thats been quite awhile back and with 1/2 vs 3/4 vs 1 ton is all out of the old school classes now....use to be a 1/2 ton would not come close to the Capacities they have now, but with costs of Diesels Vs. gas in 2500 I would say the standard 2500 may be same as 1500 with the 2500 hd diesel with the larger shared frame with the 1 ton. No reference yet to compare to for 19 1500's but There should be one for the 3/4 and 1 tons and hd's.

Gas or diesel the frames are all identical on the HD's. The only differences come in suspension.

https://www.allpar.com/trucks/ram/2014-heavy-duty.html

smurfs_of_war · Jan 23, 2018

Ramit355 said:
In 1995 the Diesels had a 9 1/2 inch Frame with the 1500 and gaser 2500 on 7 inch. I'm not sure what size is used today thats been quite awhile back and with 1/2 vs 3/4 vs 1 ton is all out of the old school classes now....use to be a 1/2 ton would not come close to the Capacities they have now, but with costs of Diesels Vs. gas in 2500 I would say the standard 2500 may be same as 1500 with the 2500 hd diesel with the larger shared frame with the 1 ton. No reference yet to compare to for 19 1500's but There should be one for the 3/4 and 1 tons and hd's.

In '14 MY the 2500 received the new 3 link front suspension and share the same frame as the 3500s as of then as well- gas or diesel. Just makes sense from a production standpoint. I don't know the exact measurements, but they are the same according to all I have dredged up.

Sent from my mobile

SouthTexan · Jan 23, 2018

Ramit355 said:
In 1995 the Diesels had a 9 1/2 inch Frame with the 1500 and gaser 2500 on 7 inch. I'm not sure what size is used today thats been quite awhile back and with 1/2 vs 3/4 vs 1 ton is all out of the old school classes now....use to be a 1/2 ton would not come close to the Capacities they have now, but with costs of Diesels Vs. gas in 2500 I would say the standard 2500 may be same as 1500 with the 2500 hd diesel with the larger shared frame with the 1 ton. No reference yet to compare to for 19 1500's but There should be one for the 3/4 and 1 tons and hd's.

The sizes of the frame and all of their dimensions are in the Ram Bodybuilder I posted earlier. Although, different sizes does not necessarily mean one is stronger or weaker. The type of metal used, where & how many crossmembers are used, and how the frame was formed make a big difference in strength and carrying ability.

smurfs_of_war · Jan 23, 2018

mohemipar said:
Yeah I agree with this 100%. I was tired of worrying about payload, which is why I went to 2500. I hardly tow and when I do it is no where near the stress levels of this truck. I went from less than 1500 pounds of payload to just over 3000 (door stickers). Now I don't even have to think about if I'm going over or if the truck will sag to the ground. And the ride/driveability of the truck is really not that much worse IMO.

Once the gen 5 starts hitting lots it will be interesting to see what the door stickers say for payload on the Big Horns and Laramies. I hope it is better than the gen 4 payloads.

Pretty sure the payloads will be higher, but some of my reading has led me to believe the max will be around 2300lbs give or take presumably on the stripped work trucks. Not sure if they can compete with Fords offering on that.

Sent from my mobile

Ramit355 · Jan 23, 2018

mohemipar said:
Yeah I agree with this 100%. I was tired of worrying about payload, which is why I went to 2500. I hardly tow and when I do it is no where near the stress levels of this truck. I went from less than 1500 pounds of payload to just over 3000 (door stickers). Now I don't even have to think about if I'm going over or if the truck will sag to the ground. And the ride/driveability of the truck is really not that much worse IMO.

Once the gen 5 starts hitting lots it will be interesting to see what the door stickers say for payload on the Big Horns and Laramies. I hope it is better than the gen 4 payloads.

Its what I was getting at with increased pay loads/Pull loads /rear lugs for the 19 year. The loads and axle is confirmed at this point for the 1500. May be where Ram wants an hd 1500 to offer as standard on some trims. 3500 and 2500 is over kill for many with less than 10000 lbs in pull/pay loads.

I had a 3500 in the 90's but will not compare today. The 1/2 and 3/4 tons have increased so much since then. I never haul any heavy pay loads any more but do haul a pull behind camper , pontoon boat and flat bed tandem. All well under 10000 lbs. But beefed up axle with Pay/ Pull capacity increase would be nice to have at the 1500 level for those of us who do not want a Ford.

Ramit355 · Jan 23, 2018

smurfs_of_war said:
In '14 MY the 2500 received the new 3 link front suspension and share the same frame as the 3500s as of then as well- gas or diesel. Just makes sense from a production standpoint. I don't know the exact measurements, but they are the same according to all I have dredged up.

Sent from my mobile

That would be a good thing as all the improvements Ram has made recent past years. Just over pricing for us is the end result for 2500 gas. The 2500 gas 6.4 or 5.7 would not need the same Frame as the high torc diesels resulting in lower prices to consumers.

mohemipar · Jan 23, 2018

smurfs_of_war said:
Pretty sure the payloads will be higher, but some of my reading has led me to believe the max will be around 2300lbs give or take presumably on the stripped work trucks. Not sure if they can compete with Fords offering on that.

Sent from my mobile

We shall see. The truck did shed 250 or so pounds. So if my old Big Horn 1500 was door stickered at around 1400, hopefully the new ones will add 2-300 pounds to that. Not huge but it helps.

smurfs_of_war · Jan 23, 2018

mohemipar said:
We shall see. The truck did shed 250 or so pounds. So if my old Big Horn 1500 was door stickered at around 1400, hopefully the new ones will add 2-300 pounds to that. Not huge but it helps.

Yup. Every little bit helps. 2 or 300 lbs wouldn't be enough to make me jump to a Ford if I were in the market for a half ton. That's not even a blip on the radar to me.

Sent from my mobile

jaflowers · Jan 23, 2018

Ramit355 said:
That would be a good thing as all the improvements Ram has made recent past years. Just over pricing for us is the end result for 2500 gas. The 2500 gas 6.4 or 5.7 would not need the same Frame as the high torc diesels resulting in lower prices to consumers.

What's a gas engine got to do with the frame strength in HD models?? The gas versions have a higher payload capacity than the diesels so you'd still want the HD frame if you're going to drop 3500 pounds in the bed....or more since everyone knows they are underrated to begin with.

ronheater70 · Jan 27, 2018

Just an update. I bought A new 2018 Cherokee limited 304 BH Trailer this afternoon, I pick it up Friday, Ill see how it does I suppose! Dry weight is slightly lower than the one I was looking at, 8500 vs 8900..

pgsinclair · Jan 27, 2018

Rampant said:
I have pulled 11k+ lbs from the east coast to the midwest and back twice with the same setup you have. That's through the mountains of VA, WV, and PA. Personally, I think it does a good job. It's not a diesel and I don't expect it to pull like one.

If I were pulling those weights more frequently, I'd just go diesel. In my opinion, putting those gears in a gasser is like putting running shoes on the fat kid and expecting him to be an athlete. He could finish the race, but he definitely won't win any trophies. It's all about expectations, not capability. Your current setup is plenty capable. That is a fact, not an opinion.

pgsinclair · Jan 27, 2018

In my 2002 1500 5.7 Hemi, I used superchips to modify the gear ratio. It cost me about $400 and I could modify to higher mileage or stronger towing. Just upgraded to 2500 6.4 HD 4X4 because I have a 13K boat I will be towing. I will look into superchips for this one as well. I have pulled 14 round bales with gooseneck with the 1500. Rams are awesome.

smurfs_of_war · Jan 27, 2018

pgsinclair said:
In my 2002 1500 5.7 Hemi, I used superchips to modify the gear ratio. It cost me about $400 and I could modify to higher mileage or stronger towing. Just upgraded to 2500 6.4 HD 4X4 because I have a 13K boat I will be towing. I will look into superchips for this one as well. I have pulled 14 round bales with gooseneck with the 1500. Rams are awesome.

How does superchips modify the gear ratio?

Sent from my mobile

Ramit355 · Jan 27, 2018

pgsinclair said:
In my 2002 1500 5.7 Hemi, I used superchips to modify the gear ratio. It cost me about $400 and I could modify to higher mileage or stronger towing. Just upgraded to 2500 6.4 HD 4X4 because I have a 13K boat I will be towing. I will look into superchips for this one as well. I have pulled 14 round bales with gooseneck with the 1500. Rams are awesome.

Rams are awesome for sure and the 1/2 tons pull quite well for under 10000 Lbs. 2019 looks to up that to about 12500 or so with out having to go HD. The 3/4 ton will up too on the refresh and is awesome truck I bet with 6.4 with out having to go diesel for 16000 Lbs. I bet the diesel is awesome too in the 2500. I had a 3500 in 1995 pulled a big ole toy hauler with ease.

10K pounds with the 6.4 2500

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Junior Member

Junior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Similar threads

Forum statistics

Share this page