Is it legal?

Scottly said:

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Already has been happening hate to say.
I can tell by how the voting been going last times....getting worse.

man n black said:

^^^^THIS^^^^
However, Emissions compliance is not federal or even state law. This is regulated at the regional level and can be different even in different areas of a state. For example Colorado.

Further, what the DEP did in this quoted statement is called entrapment and IS illegal.

And although it wouldn't necessarily cover emissions equipment, for y'alls' light reading I would recommend the the lawsuit againts OEMS brought primarily by SEMA regarding an individuals' right to modify thier vehicles inside of the warranty period without voiding the OEM warranty.

Have great days folks!

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Negatory, good buddy. I'll tell you that emission compliance is a federal issue. As a retired federal LEO with 30 years experience DEP did nothing wrong. The dealership advertised an illegal vehicle for sale. That's some dumb sh*t, right there.

I believe on diesel it’s soot equipment . No smog from a diesel . Soooot. Soot. That acid rain stuff Ya’no

Tulecreeper said:

Negatory, good buddy. I'll tell you that emission compliance is a federal issue. As a retired federal LEO with 30 years experience DEP did nothing wrong. The dealership advertised an illegal vehicle for sale. That's some dumb sh*t, right there.

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I think he means emissions compliance *testing* from the context, not the law itself. Could be wrong, though.

My 2015 RAM is not deleted. I'm wondering if I can get a tuner for it for better fuel economy.

Danny Phillips said:

My 2015 RAM is not deleted. I'm wondering if I can get a tuner for it for better fuel economy.

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What you can get is a tuner that will essentially add more fuel...just a bit...that will also cause it to go to regen much more often to keep up with the extra output caused by the extra input. I'm sure the hocus-pocus snake oil salesman Mr. Banks has some "solution" for it...But like all his "solutions", it'll be nothing but pure unadulterated BS in disguise.

Hardracer said:

Already has been happening hate to say.
I can tell by how the voting been going last times....getting worse.

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Yea...They all call where ever they came from "home", which is usually some north eastern crap hole which coincidentally became that way because of the scumbags they voted into office. Yet, they come here and vote for the same gun-control scumbags and all you hear out of their disgusting mouths is how everything was better "up home". As a younger man, I'd hit them...As an older, wiser man, I restrain myself.

Danny Phillips said:

My 2015 RAM is not deleted. I'm wondering if I can get a tuner for it for better fuel economy.

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Yes, you can however it's not going to buy you much of anything. Gale Banks would lead you to believe that his air intake horn, his tuner, and some of his other snake oils will check all the boxes. The only box they check is that your wallet is lighter and his is fatter. The problem is the emissions equipment. Until it's gone you can tune all you want, but the engine can't breathe.

There is no magic button (aside from your right leg) to significantly increase fuel economy on a diesel without deleting the emissions equipment. The most expensive part of it is the tuner. At that point if you're going that far and if you're handy with a wrench, you might as well delete it for another $300-400. It's an EGR blockoff plate, EGR bypass tube, and a section of exhaust pipe to replace the DPF at a minimum. The throttle valve can either be deleted for another $50-70 or unplugged and left alone.

If you have any concerns over emission testing in your area, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

I really DON'T recommend it UNLESS the following conditions are true: 1) something on the system has failed, 2) the cost of the failed component exceeds the cost of the delete kit, and 3) there is no concern over emissions testing. For me thus far, every time it's failed the cost to repair it has far exceeded the cost to take it off. Plus, during COVID my 3500's DEF injector and pump failed and there was a 2 month backorder on the parts. Since my wife's Expedition was in the shop with a trans failure and we were already paying for one rental car and it was my only vehicle my options were to a) park it for 2 months and wait, b)take it to the dealership for 2 months and rent a car for about $1,200 a month, or c) overnight a delete kit (from Commiefornia of all places) and remove it. I took C for $1,400. In my situation, it was worth it.

About time they started cracking down on it. My part time job as a Deputy i have been enforcing the law for deleted diesels heavily. Especially if they are rolling coal.

Docwagon1776 said:

I think he means emissions compliance *testing* from the context, not the law itself. Could be wrong, though.

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Possibly, but he did say "Emissions compliance is not federal or even state law. This is regulated at the regional level", so I only had that to go on.

Moparfanatic21 said:

About time they started cracking down on it. My part time job as a Deputy i have been enforcing the law for deleted diesels heavily. Especially if they are rolling coal.

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Drugs, prostitution, killer drunk drivers, red light runners, stop light runners, violent thieves, shoplifters, street racers, rapists, child molesters, burglars, car thieves, gang activity, stabbings, domestic violence...Glad to know you are keeping the community safe and the coffers full "heavily enforcing" those diesel scofflaws.

Scottly said:

Drugs, prostitution, killer drunk drivers, red light runners, stop light runners, violent thieves, shoplifters, street racers, rapists, child molesters, burglars, car thieves, gang activity, stabbings, domestic violence...Glad to know you are keeping the community safe and the coffers full "heavily enforcing" those diesel scofflaws.

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That's quite a workload. We cops wear a lot of hats.

There's definitely enough going on around here to keep our LEOs busy enough that they're not concerned with whether or not your emissions equipment fell off and made big gov mad...

Heck, 90% of the diesels in a certain place in my city are gov owned and not a one of them driving around out there have the first piece of emissions equipment on them... from the factory. I don't see the MPs pulling any of those over. They have other things to do.

It's a "do as I say, not as I do" dilemma.

nlambert182 said:

Heck, 90% of the diesels in a certain place in my city are gov owned and not a one of them driving around out there have the first piece of emissions equipment on them... from the factory. I don't see the MPs pulling any of those over. They have other things to do.

It's a "do as I say, not as I do" dilemma.

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They were produced that way. Diesels produced for the government for shipment offshore don't have the DPF systems...Only when they end up staying here, or are sold to state and local governments(production over-runs), they don't bother adding it. Nice to know big brother is watching while he poops where ever he wants to.

diymirage said:

Ah yes, good ole entrapment

One of my favorite government overreaches

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"Action by law enforcement personnel to lead an otherwise innocent person to commit a crime, in order to arrest and prosecute that person for the crime."

Not entrapment. If the gov't deleted the truck, then sold it to someone and prosecuted them for having the deleted truck, then you've got something

Green_Manalishi said:

"Action by law enforcement personnel to lead an otherwise innocent person to commit a crime, in order to arrest and prosecute that person for the crime."

Not entrapment. If the gov't deleted the truck, then sold it to someone and prosecuted them for having the deleted truck, then you've got something

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Even if they deleted the truck, that's not entrapment any more than posing as a likely ********** to see if guys approach you is. Simply providing the opportunity to commit a crime is not entrapment. It has to include some element of enticing someone to commit a crime they would not otherwise commit. Now if they sold the truck without disclosing it was deleted, that would be entrapment.

In Arizona they will take a deleted truck in on trade. I'm not sure about other areas (except California of course) but I expect similar requirements probably prevail.

Then again, maybe the dealer I traded mine in to failed to notice it was deleted.

I do miss this beast.

CanRebel said:

It doesn't "depend"

It's not legal, fed or state.

If state enforces fed or their own state law is totally different thing.

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If your state enforcement decides not to enforce the law. Nobody said anything about the legality of it.

18CrewDually said:

You're missing the point. Completely. Spent too much time on this already. My thumbs hurt.

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I did not miss the point, you did. Self inspection, DMV station inspection, private garage inspection, side of the road big truck inspection, going back 49 years, you can be pulled over for emissions no matter how your vehicle is registered, no matter if you have a current inspection sticker or not. It was not "legal" to pollute the air in NJ.

Scottly said:

Drugs, prostitution, killer drunk drivers, red light runners, stop light runners, violent thieves, shoplifters, street racers, rapists, child molesters, burglars, car thieves, gang activity, stabbings, domestic violence...Glad to know you are keeping the community safe and the coffers full "heavily enforcing" those diesel scofflaws.

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I'm not after everybody just the *****. Also my town has none of that except the domestic violence. But when she keeps going back, but much you can do.