Is it legal?

[18CrewDually]

NJ MVC | Vehicles Exempt From Inspection

The official website of the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission.

www.nj.gov

• All Diesel-fueled motor vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) 8,501 pounds to 17,999 that are plated commercial. The owner or lessee is required to inspected these vehicles.
• All diesel powered vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) 8,501 to 17,999 that are plated passenger, not for profit, governmental, commuter van, farmer or farm truck except buses
• All diesel powered vehicles model year 1996 and older that are plated passenger, not for profit, governmental, commuter van, farmer or farm truck except buses

Tim, I don't want to go back and forth here but you keep referring to the DMV Inspections. That is seperate.
I am and have been talking about DEP Enforcement, and the current laws they had passed. Not the Dept Motor Vehicle Laws, but the Dept Environmental Protection Laws.
They are 2 different things with 2 different missions.

 

[Timsdually]

Correct, but again that is another entity that did those inspections there. And it was large obvious commercial trucks hauling trailers or box trucks. Never "Farmer Joe" just riding down 206 going home from Masturis Diner.
Read the info in the link I posted above. The DEP inspections are not ofr safety, they look for Emmissions violations.

Inspections are for both safety and emissions. You can be pulled over for either/or, and both.
Depends on the your attitude towards the cop or what kind of day they are having. They can do a quick check and send you on your way or they can do an attitude adjustment on you have you there for hours.

 

[18CrewDually]

Inspections are for both safety and emissions. You can be pulled over for either/or, and both.
Depends on the your attitude towards the cop or what kind of day they are having. They can do a quick check and send you on your way or they can do an attitude adjustment on you have you there for hours.

That's not the topic here. Talking DEP Enforcement Inspections. Not DMV or DOT.

 

[Timsdually]

Tim, I don't want to go back and forth here but you keep referring to the DMV Inspections. That is seperate.
I am and have been talking about DEP Enforcement, and the current laws they had passed. Not the Dept Motor Vehicle Laws, but the Dept Environmental Protection Laws.
They are 2 different things with 2 different missions.

Because the DEP sets the standards for the emission enforcement.
That first link you posted had right on it State Police and DMV doing inspections on heavy trucks for emissions and safety. If you are throwing too much soot they have the power to nail you just as much as they can nail you for bad brakes or bad tires. The State Police will write you that ticket on behalf of the DEP for too much smoke.

 

[CanRebel]

That's not the topic here. Talking DEP Enforcement Inspections. Not DMV or DOT.

The topic here is
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So I am not going to delete my diesel, but I know some guys that have done it, not real recently though. But would a dealer legally take a deleted truck in on trade? Can they re-sale it without the smog equipment on it?
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[18CrewDually]

Because the DEP sets the standards for the emission enforcement.
That first link you posted had right on it State Police and DMV doing inspections on heavy trucks for emissions and safety. If you are throwing too much soot they have the power to nail you just as much as they can nail you for bad brakes or bad tires. The State Police will write you that ticket on behalf of the DEP for too much smoke.

Different set of laws Tim.
DEP has their own.
N.J.A.C. 7:27-14
This is my point. They wrote into their laws that NOW pickup trucks can be stopped anytime and be treated as a commercial vehicle. That was never the case because they are self inspection for DMV so they could not stop you before. Now because of DEPs law they can.
I can't explain this any simpler.

 

[18CrewDually]

The topic here is
/quote

So I am not going to delete my diesel, but I know some guys that have done it, not real recently though. But would a dealer legally take a deleted truck in on trade? Can they re-sale it without the smog equipment on it?
/Quote

Yeah that's been covered. Go back and read. Thanks.

 

[Timsdually]

The topic here is
/quote

So I am not going to delete my diesel, but I know some guys that have done it, not real recently though. But would a dealer legally take a deleted truck in on trade? Can they re-sale it without the smog equipment on it?
/Quote

And the answer to that would be:
Depends on how strictly your state enforces the law.

 

[Timsdually]

Different set of laws Tim.
DEP has their own.
N.J.A.C. 7:27-14
This is my point. They wrote into their laws that NOW pickup trucks can be stopped anytime and be treated as a commercial vehicle. That was never the case because they are self inspection for DMV so they could not stop you before. Now because of DEPs law they can.
I can't explain this any simpler.

Yes they can stop you. Just because you are self inspection doesn't mean you can't be stopped. It has always been like that. If they see a violation, you are getting pulled over.
That applies to even state inspected vehicles. Just because you have a "good" sticker on your windshield doesn't mean they can't touch you for another year.

 

[18CrewDually]

Yes they can stop you. Just because you are self inspection doesn't mean you can't be stopped. It has always been like that. If they see a violation, you are getting pulled over.
That applies to even state inspected vehicles. Just because you have a "good" sticker on your windshield doesn't mean they can't touch you for another year.

You're missing the point. Completely. Spent too much time on this already. My thumbs hurt.

 

[chri5k]

Different set of laws Tim.
DEP has their own.
N.J.A.C. 7:27-14
This is my point. They wrote into their laws that NOW pickup trucks can be stopped anytime and be treated as a commercial vehicle. That was never the case because they are self inspection for DMV so they could not stop you before. Now because of DEPs law they can.
I can't explain this any simpler.

Wow, not only does a NJ resident need to keep up with NJ code but also Federal (EPA) regulations and CA (CARB) executive orders. Almost like they don't want you to have a diesel powered vehicle.

 

[CanRebel]

And the answer to that would be:
Depends on how strictly your state enforces the law.

It doesn't "depend"

It's not legal, fed or state.

If state enforces fed or their own state law is totally different thing.

 

[nlambert182]

Beautiful thing about Alabama.... over half the LEOs drive the same deleted trucks.

 

[Richard Harter]

Ah yes, good ole entrapment

One of my favorite government overreaches

Entrapment is tricking or coercing a person into committing a crime so they can be prosecuted. The dealership offered to commit a crime in it's advertising. No one tricked or enticed them.
Canyon

 

[Scottly]

 

[man n black]

Take in as a trade, yes. But to resell it they would have to make it Emmissions compliant.

^^^^THIS^^^^
However, Emissions compliance is not federal or even state law. This is regulated at the regional level and can be different even in different areas of a state. For example Colorado.

Further, what the DEP did in this quoted statement is called entrapment and IS illegal.

And although it wouldn't necessarily cover emissions equipment, for y'alls' light reading I would recommend the the lawsuit againts OEMS brought primarily by SEMA regarding an individuals' right to modify thier vehicles inside of the warranty period without voiding the OEM warranty.

Have great days folks!

Ch

 

[Dusty]

The topic here is
/quote

So I am not going to delete my diesel, but I know some guys that have done it, not real recently though. But would a dealer legally take a deleted truck in on trade? Can they re-sale it without the smog equipment on it?
/Quote

Family member took deleted truck to the dealer for a trade this past summer. During negotiations the dealer's used vehicle inspector came in and stated the vehicle in question had been deleted. They knew because they connected a scan tool to the vehicle. Dealer refused to take in trade. Family member still has the truck!

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 107348 miles.

 

[18CrewDually]

Ca

Family member took deleted truck to the dealer for a trade this past summer. During negotiations the dealer's used vehicle inspector came in and stated the vehicle in question had been deleted. They knew because they connected a scan tool to the vehicle. Dealer refused to take in trade. Family member still has the truck!

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 107348 miles.

Can't be mad at the dealer. To make it compliant it will cost them $2k plus in most cases.

 

[Bob1313]

Ah yes, good ole entrapment

One of my favorite government overreaches

Not entrapment at all.
Entrapment is when a law would not have been broken without law enforcement's participation. Clearly this illegal truck was for sale as it set on the lot. That is against the law and always has been. We were never allowed to sell any vehicle that could not or would not pass emissions.
Disabling or bypassing emission controls is illegal...Period!
Just ask Volkswagen!

Maybe you ought to back to law school for a refresher!

 

[Dusty]

Ca

Can't be mad at the dealer. To make it compliant it will cost them $2k plus in most cases.

I didn't state his reaction, but, yes, he was very upset with the dealer. Unfortunately, he went to another dealer who had pretty much the same reaction, although they ended up making him an offer, but the offer was considered an "insult." He still has the vehicle because he's looking at a huge cost and labor to return it to compliance that it would exceed the value of his equity and resale. Plus, his tune apparently pooped his tranny.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 107348 miles.