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I'm sure you will make it, but just in case can you will me your redline? That is capital B in Burla for the legal stuff.
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So we often talk about what oils are good for hemi tick, but what oils are bad choices for hemi tick? At first, I would bet many guys would say Pennzoil GtL's make their engine louder, but I haven't heard a lot of real ticking on them other then some 20 weights.
However, one oil comes to mind as being bad for hemi tick- Amsoil. I'm being serious, we had a member here tj who sells Amsoil and his engine ticks on Amsoil but not PUP. If we are being honest and truthful should we not be discussing how this can be possible? I have no issues discussing redline in either derogatory or successful terms when it is a truth. I bring forward every time redline has derogatory info, I even go out of my way to post it in syn thread when the posters may have not opted to, kap was the last example of this.
So we know the single knock on GtL is maybe not the best for metal to metal protection. That something about the density of the mineral group 3's are a little better at this, so we thought? If that is true and kind of follows the experiences of the forum, how is it possible for Amsoil's group 3 SS have a hemi tick going on then have PUP end it? I can only hypothesize there has to be something in the base oil that is detrimental to metal to metal wear that is not in the GtL. I hope TJ comes back and discusses this more, what other oils were ticking in his Hemi besides Amsoil? We know Amsoil is ticking in many hemi's, hopefully we peel this onion back and get to the center. H395's engine ticked on Amsoil as well, was it worse on Amsoil or PUP. But he didn't try many group 3 5w30's? Thta is too bad, it would be nice to see if some of those maybe got the tick. As it stands now I would have to say Pennzoil synthetics and even worse Amsoil for trucks experiencing hemi tick. It would be nice for guys that has hemi tick to come back and shed more light on what's going on. We have spent too much time on Redline's success's, we haven't talked about what oils are failing us Ram owners.
LOLsure thing , you'll be getting 4 gals of 10W-30 ....but also along with 5 gals of 5W-30 [emoji6]I'll have the wife send you all my RP Filters too , I think I have 2ea 20-820s and 3ea 10-48s [emoji16][emoji16]I'm sure you will make it, but just in case can you will me your redline?
So we often talk about what oils are good for hemi tick, but what oils are bad choices for hemi tick? At first, I would bet many guys would say Pennzoil GtL's make their engine louder, but I haven't heard a lot of real ticking on them other then some 20 weights.
However, one oil comes to mind as being bad for hemi tick- Amsoil. I'm being serious, we had a member here tj who sells Amsoil and his engine ticks on Amsoil but not PUP. If we are being honest and truthful should we not be discussing how this can be possible? I have no issues discussing redline in either derogatory or successful terms when it is a truth. I bring forward every time redline has derogatory info, I even go out of my way to post it in syn thread when the posters may have not opted to, kap was the last example of this.
So we know the single knock on GtL is maybe not the best for metal to metal protection. That something about the density of the mineral group 3's are a little better at this, so we thought? If that is true and kind of follows the experiences of the forum, how is it possible for Amsoil's group 3 SS have a hemi tick going on then have PUP end it? I can only hypothesize there has to be something in the base oil that is detrimental to metal to metal wear that is not in the GtL. I hope TJ comes back and discusses this more, what other oils were ticking in his Hemi besides Amsoil? We know Amsoil is ticking in many hemi's, hopefully we peel this onion back and get to the center. H395's engine ticked on Amsoil as well, was it worse on Amsoil or PUP. But he didn't try many group 3 5w30's? Thta is too bad, it would be nice to see if some of those maybe got the tick. As it stands now I would have to say Pennzoil synthetics and even worse Amsoil for trucks experiencing hemi tick. It would be nice for guys that has hemi tick to come back and shed more light on what's going on. We have spent too much time on Redline's success's, we haven't talked about what oils are failing us Ram owners.
I don't come here to argue, and I have no axe to grind for or against any brand of oil. I have posted on my factual experiences through my ownership of this particular truck. I have owned dozens of vehicles for business and personal use, and none as fussy as this Hemi as far as oil goes.
Lmao, you just won't give it up Burla, you don't know that Amsoil SS is mineral group 3, no-one does, especially the old formula.So Amsoil was better then your PUP run? Sounds like PP was not good. You never had mineral group 3's in there besides Amsoil?
I'll bite on this. Great topic for discussion. Because an engine ticks on one oil, does that mean that oil is a failure? How do you define success? My 6.0 and 5.3 LS motors have ticked their entire lives and still do with over 220k miles on each of them. They run like new.
Hundreds of thousands of Hemis out there ticking and keep layin' down the miles on all different kinds of oils. I definitely wouldn't call masking a tick a "success". When you have over 200k on that motor with one oil and no failure, THAT oil is a success.
How do you define failure? A wiped cam lobe? I'll go with that. So the current scoreboard within these walls looks like this:
Failures: (Wiped Cam Lobes)
Redline: 1
Amsoil: 0
Serious question: Has anyone seen or heard of any internal engine damage on a Hemi using Amsoil? Not a youtube hack with a cummins.
Well, I think engine failures would be more important than the tic. Of course when it starts banging and not a tic I view that as a failure.That is a double discussion, are we talking about oil killing ticks or engine failures? I wouldn't go calling someone who has helped millions a hack because you don't like the result of Amsoil usage in his truck.
Kaps engine never stopped ticking, even with his 70k redline miles, which happens about 20% of the time where redline doesn't get the tick. No other oil comes close to an 80% success rate against that tick.. So are we talking about tick or engine failures?
So per the dealer mechanic your cam & lifters are fine ?My truck still at dealership after 40 days, and 25 days before that to fix manifold bolts. First mechanic was backlogged, then lifters were on the backorder, now they replaced leaking cylinder, and keep pushing the eta date.
I'll report back when I get the truck back. But for now disregard my last post regarding lifters and cam, as dealer didn't confirm that.
That is a double discussion, are we talking about oil killing ticks or engine failures? I wouldn't go calling someone who has helped millions a hack because you don't like the result of Amsoil usage in his truck.
So Amsoil was better then your PUP run? Sounds like PP was not good. You never had mineral group 3's in there besides Amsoil?
I know, I liked them as well, especially back in early 2000's, especially when they had high calcium, high zinc, pao base stocks. But the question would remain, why do you still like them when your engine ticked on it? I mean any other oil a guy has a tick on one oil and then it doesn't tick on another oil, the oil that ticked would be a goner from his "like list". What makes someone brand loyal if not results, you had a bad experience with Amsoil SS as many other guys, why do we still call that a good oil if other oils aren't ticking your hemi? You never tried PUP? It would be very interesting to see if your engine ticked on Amsoil but not PUP like TJ's did. No pressure
Or are oils that quiet it gumming things up? Lots of extra zinc and moly are ok for wear surfaces but what about the small oil galleys. Could be reducing flow.So oils that leave a tick are better at lube?