What engine oil do you use in a 5.7 Hemi (non-eTorque)?

[1979PowerWagon360]

Really, someone had to ask the question….. hasn’t this been beaten enough??

Bring out the RP fan boys…

Definitely. I think it's very obvious nobody is going to change anyone else's mind.

 

[Dusty]

One problem with this discussion is that opinion has been pretty much based on oil type being used at individual lifter/cam failure. Since there are other reasons for lifter/cam failure, like improper maintenance or abuse, the known type of oil alone cannot produce a statistical certainty.

The other problem not often in the equation is what are those with often high mileage engines using that have not experienced a failure? The opinion is about 5% of engines had a lifter failure (YouTube quote), some will say 10%. But whatever the number being quoted, that number has no validity past pure assumption. In order to determine oil viability and/or design effects, etc., assumptions based on the population of just failed examples is inadequate.

The only thing that is known (and verified) is the 5.7 hemi engines received a new lifter design and supplier sometime in 2014.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 86719 miles.

 

[Bob1313]

Whatever synthetic the dealer puts in my 2016, 1500. Seems to work just fine.

 

[Shawn Burns]

I'd say a larger factor why the oil viscocity that was chosen for our trucks has less to do with the OEM's engineers decisions, as it does the government dictating oil for environmental considerations. Read through some ecodiesel bearing failure threads. 2016-2017, RAM lost 1/3 of the engines to bearing failure. This was a combination of the thin oil and the regen system, pumping exhaust particulate back into the intake cycle, which contaminated the thin oil. In 2017, they tried to recommend 5w-30 oil because the engines were lasting the way that they should, but the EPA blocked it. A different diesel-gate lawsuit started where Dodge had thousands of ecodiesels just sitting in lots until the lawsuit was settled, waiting to be sold.

There are plenty of examples of those that switched on there own to 5w-30 that took the engines to 300k miles. Many dealers during this span had to dictate on their service paperwork that the customer recommended 5w-30 oil for a change, after urging customers to use the thicker oil.

The hemi has different failures than the ecodiesel, but for similar reasons. If Dodge could do what was best for the engine without the government dictating things, I believe they would change the oil change interval and viscocity recommendations. I have engineer friends and I absolutely rely on their knowledge about many things. But, rarely do engineers make all of the decisions for companies anymore. The government and financial people frequently have more say than engineers, unfortunately.

I personally have relied on the experience of others on this forum. I have used either Pennzoil PUP, and more recently, valvoline extended performance 5w-30 since I bought the truck with 8k miles. I also use lubeguard, the big Purple Power filter, keep a 5k mile oil change interval, and I've had my idling RPM raised in the tune that I run.

I hope all of these preventative steps will enable me to keep this truck for a long time. I have a 7 year old boy that I'd like to hand it down to. So, I got a long way to go.

 

[evolizzee]

Perhaps SAE should adopt those criteria instead of the peer-reviewed, established ones.

I wish they would. Instead, SAE decisions are based on what profits the company the most, not what profits the customer the most.

You’re speaking apples and oranges too. There are gear heads and non-gear heads. You’re a non-gear head, trying to argue with a gear head. Just don’t. I’m too stubborn and too much in love with my 400whp 5th Gen, to listen to what SAE engineers suggest. I listen to the suggestions from those that own 800whp-1000whp Rams, that continuously pump out 400whp-1000whp Rams for their customers.

 

[dls56]

PUP 5w20 w/ BG MOA every 45-50% life. No tick, no issues. love my truck! Use what makes you comfortable. Best wishes.

 

[Jimmitch]

I use Amsoil 0x40 6qts and one quart of Lucas pure synthetic

 

[Ram1500Sport]

Since it's under warranty, I use whatever the dealer charges me the $100 to put in it - Penzoil 0W20 Full Synthetic.

 

[gofishn]

RL 5w30 or equivalent.

Only people that haven't read the oil thread would run 5w20 / 0w20 junk.

No, really, don;t hold back, tell us how you Feel.


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Yeppers, you're one of them.


Always a straight up no BS reply and usually informative.

 

[DILLIGAF]

I got to uphold my username

 

[gofishn]

I use the Dealerships 3 opil changes for 99 cents packages.
They say its PUP but I doubt it.
what I do know is they have every record of every oil change & I am too darn old and crippled to mess around with changing oil.
Rather have my mechanic SIL slap in a new hemi with a super charger if this oen goes bad out of warranty

 

[HawkSERE]

I just bought a new 2022 1500 Laramie late December, and after driving from St. Louis to Orlando and back I have 3500 miles in it. I’ve always used Mobile 1. What do y’all use in your Hemis?

I use 5W-20 synthetic in my 2021 5.7 Hemi; non eTorgue

 

[Dusty]

I use the Dealerships 3 opil changes for 99 cents packages.
They say its PUP but I doubt it.
what I do know is they have every record of every oil change & I am too darn old and crippled to mess around with changing oil.
Rather have my mechanic SIL slap in a new hemi with a super charger if this oen goes bad out of warranty

I asked the parts manager at my dealership and he stated that they are 'encouraged by CDJR to carry Pennzoil motor oils along side of Mopar branded oil. I also noticed a box of Valvoline oil on the floor the last time I was there. But the Pennzoil on the shelves was not PUP.

If they carried PUP I'd be tempted to have them do all my oil changes. The ground clearance in my driveway isn't what it use to be!

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 86804 miles.

 

[Light299]

I wonder if anyone has data on the spring pressure for the bypass valves in various filters? Recently cut apart a mopar one to compare with an RP one and was quite surprised. I will say what NOT obvious from the picture is the media in the RP was clearly synthetic.

 

[Dusty]

I wonder if anyone has data on the spring pressure for the bypass valves in various filters? Recently cut apart a mopar one to compare with an RP one and was quite surprised. I will say what NOT obvious from the picture is the media in the RP was clearly synthetic.View attachment 518067View attachment 518068

Just be sure because you didn't state it, but based on color of the media, the Mopar filter had more media?

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 86841 miles.

 

[Dusty]

Just to be sure because you didn't state it, but based on color of the media, the Mopar filter had more media?

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 86841 miles.

 

[ramffml]

Since it's under warranty, I use whatever the dealer charges me the $100 to put in it - Penzoil 0W20 Full Synthetic.

Condolences on the future death of your hemi. May she rest in peace!

 

[mikeru]

Just be sure because you didn't state it, but based on color of the media, the Mopar filter had more media?

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 86841 miles.

That was my assumption based on the pic of the internals before the filter media was deconstructed. The filter media in the RP filter is shorter. Also, the RP media appears darker as you mentioned.

@Light299, please confirm which filter media is which.

 

[Hillybillycrash]

Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5W-20 on my 2014 Outdoorsman. No lifter issues with 88k on it.

 

[06 Dodge]

I asked the parts manager at my dealership and he stated that they are 'encouraged by CDJR to carry Pennzoil motor oils along side of Mopar branded oil. I also noticed a box of Valvoline oil on the floor the last time I was there. But the Pennzoil on the shelves was not PUP.

If they carried PUP I'd be tempted to have them do all my oil changes. The ground clearance in my driveway isn't what it use to be!

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 86804 miles.

Not sure if its still true ( this was told to me just before FCA switched to Pennzoil) my then service manager told me for oil changes they can use any brand of bulk oil they want so long as it meets current API specification, but when it comes to the oil used for warranty work they have to use whatever brand that FCA tells them to use...