"What DON'T you like about your 5th Gen RAM"?

[corneileous]

...and some rigs have more hot air than others...

Dark colored truck, black interior.... hot-ass Oklahoma heat.... yep, my rig’s probably one of them. Lol.


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[mikeru]

So you mean to tell me that you don’t think air won’t blow through those little bitty pin holes in my leather seat cover easier than they would put that tightly-weaved cloth? I’m just simply saying, that’s what they probably see. And due to the fact that even though air may not flow through those cloth seat covers as effectively as the holes in my leather seats, I bet your anything air will flow through that cloth way better than it will through my leather without the holes so once again, that might be the reason why only the trucks with leather seats have the fans in them. Besides, cloth is not going to retain heat as much as leather will.

What do you mean when you say even though you can upgrade to the leather seats but still can’t get the ventilated seats? Are you saying putting on leather seat covers yourself, or getting them from the dealer? Either way, if you could find some of the factory leather seats like what came in my limited, with the innovation of that alpha OBD thing, I’m sure you could buy the ventilated seat parts and activate it with that little device and be probably one of the very few rebel owners that has air conditioned leather seats.


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maybe you should go back and read what I posted. I said that fabric seats should have plenty of air flow to allow for ventilated seats. Go to ramtrucks.com and build one for yourself. There is an option to upgrade to leather. It's part of the Rebel 12 package. That's what I was talking about. As for the reason why they don't offer them on the Rebel, all we can do is speculate about it. It will get us nowhere, and contributes nothing to this thread. The fact of the matter is it's not an option you can get on a Rebel.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

Wish it were available with Stick

 

[corneileous]

maybe you should go back and read what I posted. I said that fabric seats should have plenty of air flow to allow for ventilated seats. Go to ramtrucks.com and build one for yourself. There is an option to upgrade to leather. It's part of the Rebel 12 package. That's what I was talking about. As for the reason why they don't offer them on the Rebel, all we can do is speculate about it. It will get us nowhere, and contributes nothing to this thread. The fact of the matter is it's not an option you can get on a Rebel.

Well ok, maybe they do but again, maybe Ram didn’t think the Rebel needed air conditioned seats because of the cloth cover fabric.

But lemmy ask you, are trucks with leather the only ones that come available with ventilated seats? If so, that would make sense because that Rebel12 package you mentioned, that comes with a leather-trimmed... seat, which would explain why you still can’t get AC’d seats with the Rebel. If it was a full-on leather seat, it probably could.


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[corneileous]

Wish it were available with Stick

Why? First off, you’re part of probably a very small group that still cries for a shifter, but what do you have against automatics? I’m just curious. The general majority want automatics, so that’s what you’re going to see and that’s why stick-shifts are a dying breed.

I mean sure, an old muscle car, or even a late-model muscle car, I could understand the thrill of rolling through the gears but on a pickup? Why? They days of stick-shifts being better for work and pulling have long been over.


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[Rogues Gambit]

Why? First off, you’re part of probably a very small group that still cries for a shifter, but what do you have against automatics? I’m just curious. The general majority want automatics, so that’s what you’re going to see and that’s why stick-shifts are a dying breed.

I mean sure, an old muscle car, or even a late-model muscle car, I could understand the thrill of rolling through the gears but on a pickup? Why? They days of stick-shifts being better for work and pulling have long been over.


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I drove a Tacoma, my old daily was stick and while I'm in that minority, proud of it

That said, not a biggie, I'll just get a toy car for the weekend

 

[corneileous]

I drove a Tacoma, my old daily was stick and while I'm in that minority, proud of it

That said, not a biggie, I'll just get a toy car for the weekend

I didn’t mean to make it sound like being part of that minority was a bad thing, I was just pointing out that more people just don’t wanna have to manually shift gears- it really doesn’t matter that most of them probably can’t... I sling a stick everyday in this Peterbilt but I sure like not having to in my pickup.

But all I can say is wish in one hand and **** in the other because I highly doubt stick shifts will make a comeback.... even tho records and bell-bottoms are. Lol.


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[mikeru]

But lemmy ask you, are trucks with leather the only ones that come available with ventilated seats? If so, that would make sense because that Rebel12 package you mentioned, that comes with a leather-trimmed... seat, which would explain why you still can’t get AC’d seats with the Rebel. If it was a full-on leather seat, it probably could.


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Again, incorrect assumption. The Laramie also has leather-trimmed seats, but ventilated seats are a standard feature for that model. The leather-trimmed seats you get with the Rebel 12 package are different than what you get in the Laramie, but they are also perforated, so there's no reason I can see that they couldn't offer ventilated seats as an option on the Rebel other than that "they" decided against it. Here's a pic showing the Rebel 12 leather-trimmed seat...

 

[corneileous]

Again, incorrect assumption. The Laramie also has leather-trimmed seats, but ventilated seats are a standard feature for that model. The leather-trimmed seats you get with the Rebel 12 package are different than what you get in the Laramie, but they are also perforated, so there's no reason I can see that they couldn't offer ventilated seats as an option on the Rebel other than that "they" decided against it. Here's a pic showing the Rebel 12 leather-trimmed seat...

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You must be talking about the 2020 Laramie because the 19 Laramie doesn’t come standard with front ventilated seats, at least from what I saw. But anywhoo, it doesn’t matter but after building a 2020 Rebel(didn’t bother doing it for a 19) on Ram’s site, I don’t know why they still don’t offer ventilated seats, even in the leather-trimmed equipped models with what looks like just a plain seat, no extra design on the seat. Maybe it still remains just as much of a mystery as why the 1500’s continue to still not come with the power-folding tow mirrors like the HD’s do.

But all I can say is what I’ve heard in the past about the older Gen-3 Rebels not having the AC’d seats was supposedly due to the fact that those goofy, embossed tire track tread patterns on the front covers, whether or not it was a leather option, was that it had to have those perforations in the seat bottom and since they did not come with those holes, then that was why. If that’s not the case then I don’t know. Don’t care. The Rebel wasn’t a trim I was interested in so it’s irrelevant to me. I was just going off what I thought... I knew.

But hey, as I said long tome ago- if you have a Rebel- new or kinda old, and by-golly you want ventilated seats, there’s ways to do it. Might be kinda pricy but at least it’s doable.


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[TestPilot57]

Wish it were available with Stick

Ditto!!

 

[TestPilot57]

Wish it were available with Stick

Why? First off, you’re part of probably a very small group that still cries for a shifter, but what do you have against automatics? I’m just curious. The general majority want automatics, so that’s what you’re going to see and that’s why stick-shifts are a dying breed.

I mean sure, an old muscle car, or even a late-model muscle car, I could understand the thrill of rolling through the gears but on a pickup? Why? They days of stick-shifts being better for work and pulling have long been over.

The only vehicles I've ever driven with automatics that work the way I want them to have been Porsches*. I assume other high-end vehicles are similarly programmed to read your mind.

I constantly use the "Gear Limit" feature on my RAM, and wish it would also have an option for "Gear Minimum". I just want the tranny to do what I want, not what some batch of engineers think I want.

*Even at that, I insist on a Stick for my Porsche...

 

[corneileous]

The only vehicles I've ever driven with automatics that work the way I want them to have been Porsches*. I assume other high-end vehicles are similarly programmed to read your mind.

I constantly use the "Gear Limit" feature on my RAM, and wish it would also have an option for "Gear Minimum". I just want the tranny to do what I want, not what some batch of engineers think I want.

*Even at that, I insist on a Stick for my Porsche...

Again though, that Porsche is a sports car. The truck is not but hey, at least that 8 speed learns to your driving style. Maybe you oughta have it reset then drive it hard for the next several weeks, or how ever long it takes to re-learn.


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[mikeru]

You must be talking about the 2020 Laramie because the 19 Laramie doesn’t come standard with front ventilated seats, at least from what I saw. But anywhoo, it doesn’t matter but after building a 2020 Rebel(didn’t bother doing it for a 19) on Ram’s site, I don’t know why they still don’t offer ventilated seats, even in the leather-trimmed equipped models with what looks like just a plain seat, no extra design on the seat. Maybe it still remains just as much of a mystery as why the 1500’s continue to still not come with the power-folding tow mirrors like the HD’s do.

But all I can say is what I’ve heard in the past about the older Gen-3 Rebels not having the AC’d seats was supposedly due to the fact that those goofy, embossed tire track tread patterns on the front covers, whether or not it was a leather option, was that it had to have those perforations in the seat bottom and since they did not come with those holes, then that was why. If that’s not the case then I don’t know. Don’t care. The Rebel wasn’t a trim I was interested in so it’s irrelevant to me. I was just going off what I thought... I knew.

But hey, as I said long tome ago- if you have a Rebel- new or kinda old, and by-golly you want ventilated seats, there’s ways to do it. Might be kinda pricy but at least it’s doable.


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Yeah, I can't speak for the 2019 Laramie. I started shopping for a Laramie when the 2020 models came out. I had a 2017 Rebel, and really would have liked ventilated seats. That's a big reason why I switched to a Laramie instead of buying another Rebel. So believe me when I say I've done my research LOL.

 

[corneileous]

Yeah, I can't speak for the 2019 Laramie. I started shopping for a Laramie when the 2020 models came out. I had a 2017 Rebel, and really would have liked ventilated seats. That's a big reason why I switched to a Laramie instead of buying another Rebel. So believe me when I say I've done my research LOL.

I never really doubted that you didn’t and I don’t even know why I pointed that out because of it’s irrelevance but I dunno. Did your 17 have leather trimmed seats as well? I’m assuming what the means is that only the outer edges/perimeter is leather but the part you sit on and middle back is cloth? Either way, cloth or tire tread design, I think that’s your answer why there’s no AC’d seat option unless you could get a full leather covered seat like what’s in my Limited. I would think that would be mystery solved.


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[mikeru]

I never really doubted that you didn’t and I don’t even know why I pointed that out because of it’s irrelevance but I dunno. Did your 17 have leather trimmed seats as well? I’m assuming what the means is that only the outer edges/perimeter is leather but the part you sit on and middle back is cloth? Either way, cloth or tire tread design, I think that’s your answer why there’s no AC’d seat option unless you could get a full leather covered seat like what’s in my Limited. I would think that would be mystery solved.


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Seems like you're not even reading what I posted earlier. Seats don't have to be full leather to be ventilated. Like I said already, my current Laramie has leather-trimmed seats, and they are ventilated.

My Rebel did not have leather or leather-trimmed seats. It was not an option on the 4th gen version of the Rebel to have leather. The area with the tire tread design is the cloth area. Cloth area is embossed with the tire tread design. The rest of the seat is vinyl.

 

[corneileous]

Seems like you're not even reading what I posted earlier. Seats don't have to be full leather to be ventilated. Like I said already, my current Laramie has leather-trimmed seats, and they are ventilated.

My Rebel did not have leather or leather-trimmed seats. It was not an option on the 4th gen version of the Rebel to have leather. The area with the tire tread design is the cloth area. Cloth area is embossed with the tire tread design. The rest of the seat is vinyl.

I’m probably just not understanding you. You’ve got to understand something, I’ve never owned a Rebel, nor have I ever even set foot in one. All I know about them is that they don’t come with the Auto-4x4 transfer case, they come with an extra inch of ground clearance, the air ride models only come with one off-road setting whereas mine has two because of the ground clearance, they don’t or at least they didn’t come with the Active Grille Shutter System and they came with 10-ply tires. That’s it.

As far as whether or not leather, vinyl or cloth can efficiently benefit from those cooling fans, it sounds to me like the cloth embossed tread in the seating area and back of the seat probably offer what Ram Trucks thinks as adequate ventilation since leather then was not an option. But leather trimmed or vinyl trimmed, you had the cloth center so according to them, no AC’ed seat needed. And since the new Rebel seats can be just like the seats in your new Laramie, there now really is no explanation I guess that says why your Laramie can have them and not the Rebel.

But I’m curious- you say your Laramie’s seats are leather trimmed. Is the center portion where you sit on cloth, or vinyl, with the little perforations? The Rebel12 package- is it the same way, leather trimmed with what material you sit on? If so, then I rest my case as it purely is a mystery. Before, like in your old Rebel, I think it kinda answers the question; may not make sense, but how the designers design the trucks is how they design the trucks.


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[mikeru]

No worries. I will say that even with the cloth inserts in the Rebel seats, they still hold the heat when it's hot outside. On hot days the seats were just too warm for my comfort.

It's not completely obvious which sections of my seats are leather and which parts are vinyl or some other material. But it appears the center section is perforated leather (the section that is cooled).

 

[corneileous]

No worries. I will say that even with the cloth inserts in the Rebel seats, they still hold the heat when it's hot outside. On hot days the seats were just too warm for my comfort.

Well yeah, if they would’ve just went with a regular cloth or vinyl seat, they probably would’ve been cooler. Even the plain vinyl seats I had in my old 08 Laramie, they weren’t too bad in the summer and that was even when my first summer with the truck was after I had moved to Oklahoma; I bought the truck a couple months prior in Colorado in the wintertime and I’m even a hot natured person. Lol. I don’t care for heat. But I will say my leather seats feel a lot warmer than the vinyl ones did so at least I can say that Ram knocked it outta the park by putting the seat fans in the leather seats.

It's not completely obvious which sections of my seats are leather and which parts are vinyl or some other material. But it appears the center section is perforated leather (the section that is cooled).

Well I would think it’s safe to say that if you say the Rebel12 leather trimmed seats are just like your Laramie seats then once again, it’s truly a mystery that doesn’t make sense why the new Rebels don’t have it.


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[clayinfla]

How do you know you paid for power folding tow mirrors? And I’m assuming your driving a 3/4-ton?


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I paid for power folding mirrors because that option is on my sticker, as part of a group with a price. There is no corresponding price delete for removing that option. There is an additional charge for tow mirrors. Since the mirrors do not fold, there should be a removal for the cost of the power folding mirror component of the level 2 option package.
I have a 1500.

 

[corneileous]

I paid for power folding mirrors because that option is on my sticker, as part of a group with a price. There is no corresponding price delete for removing that option. There is an additional charge for tow mirrors. Since the mirrors do not fold, there should be a removal for the cost of the power folding mirror component of the level 2 option package.
I have a 1500.

Well, if I’m not mistaken, sometimes over on the right side of that sticker that comes on a brand new vehicle, sometimes they put on there what options are available, but might not necessarily be on that car particular. Don’t quote me on this but I’m pretty sure I’ve read a few stickers that over on the right they had things listed that the car did not have.

But anywhoo just like the case with your pickup, I don’t know why it says on there that you paid for power folding tow mirrors because the 1500s just don’t come with power folding tow mirrors, don’t know why that is. They can put them on the three-quarter tons and 1 tons but there’s some strange silly reason why they don’t put them on the halftons.

But you do have the tow mirrors, correct? If so, that’s a negative Ghost Rider on the power-fold.


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