Stuck in snow

[2020PW]

Already read/seen these awhile ago,this one in particular has been around for a few years,and somewhere around there's an interview with the guy,and he developed the kit for his own truck,which he admitted he abused the hell out of by plowing with a blade bigger then the truck should have had.Things are gonna break when you abuse them,and that's precisely what he did,and as far as i know he sold the kits to guys who wanted to turn their 44-45 into a 45-45,as that's basically what you have when you eliminate the clutch.If you hunt around either here or the other old forums,you'll find where he was converting his transfer case,as he had a thread on one of the forums several years ago. The other video is what Brandons switch addresses,by locking the clutch and basically turning the 44-44 into a 44-45,that puts power to both axles with-out needing the rear tires to slip first.Guys are putting 500+rwhp through the 44-44 and the percentage of them having issues is very small.

Thanks, that re-enforces that it’s not rated for true truck duty performance. If you have to modify it, it’s broke.

FYI they are now called the BW 48-11 (EMOD) and 48-12.

BW states the EMOD is good for small suv to “Heavy Duty” applications. Use the term heavy duty lightly, as they are not used in HD models. Max Torque rating of 550 ft lbs.

OP: put your parking brake on only a couple clicks, this should create enough drag to simulate a locking rear diff and possibly (not likely) engage the transfer case if you have the BW 44-44 (48-11). It’s an old off-road trick for open diffs.

 

[ramffml]

Comparing a PW to a semi is foolish

Yes it is! That was the entire point, exaggerated, but just because you don't need a semi truck to tow your RV and can use a PW instead, that doesn't mean the PW is junk. The semi and the PW are different tools for different jobs. If you're never going to offroad your truck (which probably includes you and the majority of PW/Rebel owners) then the auto is perfect, especially for those of us who live with winter 5 months of the year.

As for it burning up, I have yet to read more than 1 case over multiple forums, perhaps I'm just not looking hard enough or worried enough to take notice, but in terms of stuff dying I'd be more worried about your 6.4 eating a lifter and less about my 4x4 auto.

 

[zrock]

What more than likely happened is when you stopped the warm tires created ice under the tires making it almost impossible to get traxion. A handful of sand or ice melt tossed under the tire would have been enough to get you moving again.. This is why truck drives do not like to stop on the road when they are snow covered unless they are facing downhill so they can get rolling again without chaining up

 

[turkeybird56]

What more than likely happened is when you stopped the warm tires created ice under the tires making it almost impossible to get traxion. A handful of sand or ice melt tossed under the tire would have been enough to get you moving again.. This is why truck drives do not like to stop on the road when they are snow covered unless they are facing downhill so they can get rolling again without chaining up

Back in the day when I had my 65 Buick, 4 door sedan, 4 doors, heater and AM radio. Did have Power Steering. Always carried a shovel and a couple 5 gallon buckets of sand in the trunk for them problems. That ole 65 would move even in a Nor'Easter, if U knew how to drive, lol.

 

[barr0208]

Back in the day when I had my 65 Buick, 4 door sedan, 4 doors, heater and AM radio. Did have Power Steering. Always carried a shovel and a couple 5 gallon buckets of sand in the truck for them problems. That ole 65 would move even in a Nor'Easter, if U knew how to drive, lol.

back in the day i had a ford f100 manual steering rear wheel drive 302 and drove 23 miles to work in a snow storm that was stopping graders from moving all i did was put a good set of aggressive snow tires on and about 200 lbs of sand bags over both rear wheels.

 

[Dean2]

back in the day i had a ford f100 manual steering rear wheel drive 302 and drove 23 miles to work in a snow storm that was stopping graders from moving all i did was put a good set of aggressive snow tires on and about 200 lbs of sand bags over both rear wheels.

Ya, Ya, Ya and it was three miles uphill both ways to school too.

Had a 2 wheel drive pickup once. Even with posi, was the worst piece of xrap for hunting you ever found. Could get stuck on flat ground on damp grass. Spending 2 days stuck in that, I bought a 1974 Toyota FJ40 Landcrusier as soon as I got home. Have never been without a 4x4 of some sort since 1974.

 

[barr0208]

Ya, Ya, Ya and it was three miles uphill both ways to school too.

Had a 2 wheel drive pickup once. Even with posi, was the worst piece of xrap for hunting you ever found. Could get stuck on flat ground on damp grass. Spending 2 days stuck in that, I bought a 1974 Toyota FJ40 Landcrusier as soon as I got home. Have never been without a 4x4 of some sort since 1974.

believe what you like i know because i did it with many rear wheel drive vehicles including a mercury capri german model v6 never got stuck except on my own street after a real bad storm. drove my share of 2 wheel drives for 23 winters same route to get to my job.

 

[Dean2]

believe what you like i know because i did it with many rear wheel drive vehicles including a mercury capri german model v6 never got stuck except on my own street after a real bad storm.

Just kidding bud. I drove lots of rear wheel and front wheel drive cars and most all were only one wheel drive. Very few ever had posi. Put literaly a few million miles on them in every sort of weather imaginable. On developed roads, you can go a lot of places if you know how to drive, especially with chains. Off road where we go, really not the answer.

Not my rig, but you get the idea.

 

[turkeybird56]

back in the day i had a ford f100 manual steering rear wheel drive 302 and drove 23 miles to work in a snow storm that was stopping graders from moving all i did was put a good set of aggressive snow tires on and about 200 lbs of sand bags over both rear wheels.

Yup always kept 5 gal buckets of sand in trunk and shovel, and when I had any money, kept a bag of salt in trunk also.

 

[4xdad]

I used to drive lots of junk mostly 2wd beaters with crappy tires got stuck all the time a chain in the back and strong buddy’s with other beaters usually got us out

 

[TestPilot57]

Just kidding bud. I drove lots of rear wheel and front wheel drive cars and most all were only one wheel drive.

No vehicle with a (even open) differential is one-wheel-drive. Equal power is transmitted to both wheels. The fact the one wheel (tire) has less traction and therefore halts all progress doesn't diminish the fact.

If you want what you seem to want to call "two wheel drive" weld your diff.

 

[LugsLeadOut84]

I had those tires on the 2020 Laramie I used to own. They came with the ORG, are 3PMSF rated (snowflake symbol), and worked great for the two winters I had that truck.

Agreed...It's not a tire issue. We get a few 12-14+ inches of snow around here and I regulary drive up to Vermont in the winter for snowmobiling and my Falkens perform pretty well.
Not blaming anyone, just an execution issue. You also need to turn of ESC in deep snow or sand if you're bogging down.
Live and learn...At least you'll be ready for next time.

 

[tron67j]

No vehicle with a (even open) differential is one-wheel-drive. Equal power is transmitted to both wheels. The fact the one wheel (tire) has less traction and therefore halts all progress doesn't diminish the fact.

If you want what you seem to want to call "two wheel drive" weld your diff.

A vehicle would have to have a limited slip differential (GM aka Positraction) to have equal power to both wheels. Some have it, others don't and will just spin one wheel while the other sits still.

 

[ramffml]

A vehicle would have to have a limited slip differential (GM aka Positraction) to have equal power to both wheels. Some have it, others don't and will just spin one wheel while the other sits still.

Not quite; the torque is distributed equally to both rear wheels, until one wheel begins to slip. A limited slip locks the 2 wheels temporarily, but that's only after the slip. As long as both wheels have traction, both wheels will be given torque and will propel the truck forward.

 

[Dean2]

No vehicle with a (even open) differential is one-wheel-drive. Equal power is transmitted to both wheels. The fact the one wheel (tire) has less traction and therefore halts all progress doesn't diminish the fact.

If you want what you seem to want to call "two wheel drive" weld your diff.

You know, if you are going to tell someone they are wrong it is best to have at least a rudimentary knowledge of what you are talking about. With the exception of perfectly even traction and a centred diff, at no other time is it true two wheel drive. If we always had great traction this whole thread would not have been needed. I have no intentions of typing out a long dissertation to explain why you are wrong but suggest you go do some reading.

 

[LouM]

Not quite; the torque is distributed equally to both rear wheels, until one wheel begins to slip. A limited slip locks the 2 wheels temporarily, but that's only after the slip. As long as both wheels have traction, both wheels will be given torque and will propel the truck forward.

Correct, the torque to the wheels thru the diff is always equal in an open diff. If one wheel is spinning and one sitting still they will still both have the same amount of torque applied to each.

 

[2020PW]

There’s many different types. The clutch pack is 1500 and helical is HD. Helical will not lock up if one tire has no resistance as suspended up in the air.

The 1500 rear ends can’t handle a lot of abuse.

Someone has to explain how the vehicle is stuck if both the tire with grip and the free spinning tire have the same amount of torque. If that’s the case, why won’t it move… reality is all torque is shifted to the free spinning tire… it’s the path of least resistance….

 

[LouM]

Nope if you could measure the torque at each wheel you will find it is the same, you drive train is only developing the torque needed to rotate a tire.

 

[GTyankee]

I once lived in New England, mostly Connecticut
I left that area when i went into the Navy & only returned for one more winter.

I distinctly remember winter driving with 1950s & 1960s cars, there was no Posi or Limited Slip.

When the right rear tire began spinning , it did not matter if you were slipping in wet grey clay or snow, we used to apply just enough brake to slow or stop the right tire & transfer power over to the left rear & apply just enough gas pedal to start creeping along.
It did not work every time, but that was the first thing we did, the 2nd thing was open the trunk & break the frozen bag of sand open & sprinkle some in front of the tire that was spinning.

Everyone carried chains, but every ones fingers were so numb, that it was easier to walk to the next farm & have the farmers boy start up the tractor & get dragged to the top of the next hill

 

[4xdad]

That’s what we used to do to and that’s kind of what modern traction control does only computer controlled