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Less people will be buying Ford EVs.
They lost their Tax Break, because of the battery parts are Chinese made


Now Insurance Companies are backing off on pay outs, when a EV battery is a partial cause of the Claim.
 

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And some of the Buick dealers.

Wasn't it that the Buick Dealers revolted and sold out? That's what I recall reading.

Mary Barra ain't makin' it. Who knew a lifelong bean counter wouldn't make a good corporate leader of a technical product company?! *rolls eyes* This is what happens when only low costs are what matters to executives. It's spelled "failure".
 

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The whole reason I'm doing work to my 2014 Ram 2500 is because there is no way I can afford a new truck. To replace my truck as is, about $63,000 that's no taxes or dealer mark-ups. I'm retired and there's no way I'm having payments, so doing work to my truck it is. More satisfying anyways
 

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Wasn't it that the Buick Dealers revolted and sold out? That's what I recall reading.

Mary Barra ain't makin' it. Who knew a lifelong bean counter wouldn't make a good corporate leader of a technical product company?! *rolls eyes* This is what happens when only low costs are what matters to executives. It's spelled "failure".
My understanding is that nearly half of Buick's U.S. dealerships left this year after Buick offered buyouts for those who didn't want to invest in selling electric vehicles. Buick was asking dealers to commit to $300,000 to $400,000 to prepare their stores to sell and service EVs. Something like 1000 of them declined because their demographic - the people in their geographical area - would never buy them and it wasn't worth the money to try to sell them.

Big surprise, since a huge swath of this country is rural and has no need for any kind of EV.
 

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My understanding is that nearly half of Buick's U.S. dealerships left this year after Buick offered buyouts for those who didn't want to invest in selling electric vehicles. Buick was asking dealers to commit to $300,000 to $400,000 to prepare their stores to sell and service EVs. Something like 1000 of them declined because their demographic - the people in their geographical area - would never buy them and it wasn't worth the money to try to sell them.

Big surprise, since a huge swath of this country is rural and has no need for any kind of EV.

If I had a Buick dealership in the US or Canada, I'd take a $50 buyout just to get out from under it. It's a dead brand here, and there marketing attempt to get young "diverse" people interested has flopped. China is the only reason GM bothers to badge engineer a Chevy into a Buick, and has been for years.

If China gives up on the Buick, GM will take it behind the barn and bury it next to Pontiac and Oldsmobile.
 

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Wasn't it that the Buick Dealers revolted and sold out? That's what I recall reading.

Mary Barra ain't makin' it. Who knew a lifelong bean counter wouldn't make a good corporate leader of a technical product company?! *rolls eyes* This is what happens when only low costs are what matters to executives. It's spelled "failure".

Have you seen a recent picture of her? She looks like she has aged 20 years in the last 10. I doubt shes having fun at it.
 

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Have you seen a recent picture of her? She looks like she has aged 20 years in the last 10. I doubt shes having fun at it.

She lusted after it.

Dyin' ain't much of a livin'
 

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How it's going with Stellantis Management running the company (see: heckuva job, Brownie!) -

 

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I agree that prices are high and that autos have gone up more than many other categories. I think the auto makers are getting over on us to a degree.

There are some ways to lessen the pain like maybe dropping from Laramie to Big Horn, digging in deeply on exactly what honest big time rebates you can get today from Ram (including affiliate discount), and last working with the right dealer.

Forget about $100k trucks if that's not your budget. You can do a new crew cab, net, net, net in the 40's if it's not too jazzy.

I just special ordered a 2024 Laramie through Anthony at Mark Dodge, listed at $72k and after all rebates and discounts, the net was $56k plus ttt, and nominal shipping to my home.

The real kicker here, led by Anthony was all the rebates he works hard to qualify you for. In my case the honest rebates alone were over $7200, real money, plus the dealers discount. Other dealers seem obvlious about the rebates, or even disinterested. Koons for example said to not worry about them, they'd deal with them later???? Really.

Grainger in Iowa offered a lousy deal that was nowhere close. My local dealer lied, claiming he'd loose $3000 if he sold at Mark's price. Really??

So friends, a really nice Ram crew cab just does not have to cost $100k. Use the right dealer.
 

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i think my 1954 Chevy had more cubic inches, it just did not have a turbo.
115 Horse Power Blue Streak engine.
It would go 110 MPH with 5 grown people in it !
Was that dropping that old Chevy off a cliff. :D
 

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Actually, it was on a level stretch of highway in Connecticut.
There was another 1954 Chevy right beside me.
We were not drag racing.
On that day, we found out that an automatic has a higher top end
 

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Lot of news reports on the Buick dealers bailing and not wanting to spend 200-400k to “upgrade” to EV dealer. They say dealers make most of their money in service. Electric there is a greatly reduced service schedule so it’s not hard to see where dealers would not sign up to sell those cars exclusively. Tesla is on to something.
My understanding is that nearly half of Buick's U.S. dealerships left this year after Buick offered buyouts for those who didn't want to invest in selling electric vehicles. Buick was asking dealers to commit to $300,000 to $400,000 to prepare their stores to sell and service EVs. Something like 1000 of them declined because their demographic - the people in their geographical area - would never buy them and it wasn't worth the money to try to sell them.

Big surprise, since a huge swath of this country is rural and has no need for any kind of EV.
I don’t think it’s necessarily demand, but profitability. They say dealers make most of their money in service. Electric there is a greatly reduced service schedule so it’s not hard to see where dealers would not sign up to sell those cars exclusively. I can’t sell you a service plan for oil changes for $99 each if you don’t have any need for oil. If you aren’t here getting an oil change, I can’t sell you a $129 air filter or $79 fuel injector cleaner you also can’t use. Dealers spending 400k to sell a product with no margin that has no service revebue in sight… maybe in 7-8 years when some start needing batteries? Nobody in their right mind would lock into a specific brand to do tires and 12 batteries. Open a generic service station instead.
 

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One of my customers had this financial bridge to cross several months ago. He owns an immaculate 2006 GMC Sierra crew cab SLE with 200K on the odometer. The engine needed replacement. We discussed the "big picture" considerations:
1) How much is a replacement or new truck going to cost"
2) What else will go wrong that is considered big ticket?
3) Is this truck worth such a large expenditure?

I advised him as to the cost of the engine. I also informed him that the next "Achille's Heel" is the M30/ 4L65 automatic transmission. In addition, the original A/C compressor, which worked fine, had reached the very outer wear limit in terms of the airgap of the driven plate to the drive pulley, and, since the compressor had to be removed during engine R&R, it would save time and money to just go ahead and install a compressor kit.

He is an accountant with a major corporation, and so he mulled over whether to spend upwards of $70,000 on a new truck, or put about $14K into this repair, all inclusive of an engine with 4 year, unlimited mileage warranty, a Jasper transmission assembly with all the upgrade modifications to insure it's longevity with a 3 year/ 100K miles warranty, a new factory flywheel, new motor and trans mounts, new drive belts and tensioners, new factory heater hoses, new thermostat and water pump, spark plugs, and reman starter.

Considering the body of the truck and the interior are in like new condition, and there is zero rust anywhere, (He is originally from near Green Bay, Wi.) he chose to repair the truck.

It has turned out extremely well for him, and he doesn't face all the caveats of new vehicle depreciation, being saddled with a big payment AND inevitable costs of repairs.

I'm seeing this trend much more frequently in the past 4 years, especially with older folks from the generation who have bought houses much, much cheaper than what new vehicles cost today.
GM built a dependable vehicle back then.
 

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California's Imperial Valley has 40% of the Lithium in the USA, if not the world.

EV's are suppose to save money, or are they ..
“When the California governor’s office indicated they were going to support this industry, we were thankful. That’s great,” EnergySouce CEO Spomer said. “But the first thing that happened is they put a $800 a ton lithium tax on us.

General Motors controls most if not all of that Lithium
 

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Grainger in Iowa offered a lousy deal that was nowhere close.
That is surprising. When I ordered my 22, Mark Dodge and Granger were within $100 of each other. So I went with the closer dealer, Granger. Great experience.
 

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GM built a dependable vehicle back then.
It also helps that he bought the GMC from his neighbor, the original owner, who kept it in the garage from day one, thus the immaculate moniker. Those trucks had as many foibles as do a lot of new ones, and I've fixed many on this particular truck. Either way, it doesn't change the facts financially. :)
 

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My MC insurance jumped $108 last year for full coverage. My truck insurance is up 30% on full coverage. Home insurance in last 5 years up 50%. Seems I pay more out for insurance than all else, grrrrrrrrrrrr. Add truck, MC and home, a lot more than my property taxes, argh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO WAY I could afford brand new ride now. Same thing I have bought for 48K is 66K ish now. Guess just run the 2019 forever, and forget dat silly Hurricane thang. If I wanted a 6 cylinder with twin turbos, would buy a Ford. Just my personal opinion.
Here, it also depends on the "option" the insurance companies lay out about putting a dongle in your OBD2 port and basically allowing them to monitor EVERY move you make while driving.... at a (GASP! sarcasm) 10 dollar a month discount! Whoopie!

I told my agent that my soul isn't for sale, period, and that anyone so myopic who does go for this ludicrous offer is not seeing the whole picture.

I also told the agent that the insurance company is NOT welcome to look into my medicine cabinet or underwear drawer.

Frankly the notion that people will sell themselves so short so cheap, is scary.
 

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California's Imperial Valley has 40% of the Lithium in the USA, if not the world.

EV's are suppose to save money, or are they ..
“When the California governor’s office indicated they were going to support this industry, we were thankful. That’s great,” EnergySouce CEO Spomer said. “But the first thing that happened is they put a $800 a ton lithium tax on us.

General Motors controls most if not all of that Lithium
yes GM is putting a lot of cash to get exclusive access to the first phase of production at the Thacker Pass lithium mine in Nevada. the interesting thing to me is the environmental impact of this mine..1.7 Billion gallons per year of water needed at a desert location..5-6000 tons of sulfuric acid per day turned into molten acid..not to mention the feds rubber stamping all the permits over countless objections by local tribes and water rights groups...remind me again of how this saves the planet.
 

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