2013 CC Laramie - Hauling Travel Trailer??

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2 things up front;
I am a fan of doing things properly, and will spend money where warranted (that's subjective to each individual, of course)
But I don't like spending money where I don't feel it is warranted.

Do a lot of reading on the Anderson/Hensley/Propride hitches vs. something much much cheaper like the Reese dual cam setup. For about $650 you can accomplish most of what the $3K hitches provide. Just food for thought.

I have used an equalizer hitch before and did not have an issue..it worked fine...by far the most popular hitches are Reese Dual Cam and the Equalizer, but, at least to my knowledge, the only 3 hitches that absolutely do not allow any sway are Hensley, ProPride, and Pull Rite...by their very design sway is not possible (positioning the pivot point ahead of the bumper by the axle like a 5th wheel).

Reese Dual Cam claims to eliminate sway before it starts, but once it starts, it can overcome the hitch...Equalizer is a reactive hitch in that the friction fights the sway (after the sway starts)....the three pricey hitches do not allow sway to start at all. The Anderson hitch is a bit different, but I like the design of it as well. I would venture a guess that 99% of the time the above three hitches work perfectly fine for sway.....what I am worried about is that 1% of time coming around a corner and needing to make an emergency maneuver around a car, or something, or having a huge bow wave from a semi get me at just the wrong time...the results can be catastrophic as you well know

That being said, I have not personally towed with one of them, so I dont have first hand knowledge, but that is what they guarantee, and that is what everyone that as towed with them has said (what I mean is I have never read a single comment or article or talked to someone who said it wasnt worth it). Too bad they are 2-3k, but at the same token, a 50k truck, 30k trailer...whats 2-3k more to keep everything in line and the family safe.....seems well worth it to me. The good news is I have time to think everything through and make some decisions...I just had to replace one of my HVAC units at the house (they finished it today), so that was a major bill I was not expecting...the camper will be on hold for a little bit now:(
 
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The Equal-i-zer is another VERY popular WD hitch with sway control. I've used it on multiple applications and it tows like a dream. It seems to be a favorite on many RV forums.

To the OP, is your Laramie a 6 or 8 speed? If it is the 8 speed, unless you paid the $50 option fee to get 3.55's you more than likely got 3.21s. Ram decided to make the 3.21 the standard rear end on all non-outdoorsman 8 speeds (even though the window sticker says 3.55) unless you got the optional 3.55 or 3.92 for a $50 charge. The best way to tell is go crawl under the truck and read the sticker on the axle tube (drivers side). With as much pain as you're going through now, I REALLY hope you dont have 3.21s because the tow rating becomes around 6,500.

I have the 6 speed with 3.55's. I thought I was saving fuel with the gears, but I think the 3.92's would drive better around town...the increased towing capacity from 8450 to 10k with the 3.92's really means diddly when the limiting of the truck is the payload (at least that is what it seems I am finding out)
 

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yeah, i dont think they will let me tow it to a Cat scale:(. But, you are giving me hope! How does yours tow? Any issues coming down steep grades or when semi's blow past you? How about mileage...I am guessing 8-9mpg? I have spent so much time the last few days reading and researching tongue weight, GCVW, GVAW, etc, etc, I am about ready to lose it I think! I would certainly think Air Bags would be a necessity since the rear end is so soft...I assume you had your air bags installed and aired up and then set your Dual Cam hitch up?

Here you go... I know I've posted this in a few forums so far but hopefully it helps. I have a 13 CC w/ 3.92 gears, max tow package + bags and it towed like a charm within the limits of the truck.

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This is a 36.5' TT that has a dry weight of 7,500lbs + and it actually pulled better then my 24' Aerolite TT.

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Here you go... I know I've posted this in a few forums so far but hopefully it helps. I have a 13 CC w/ 3.92 gears, max tow package + bags and it towed like a charm within the limits of the truck.

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This is a 36.5' TT that has a dry weight of 7,500lbs + and it actually pulled better then my 24' Aerolite TT.

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How do you like that rack in the truck bed? ive been thinking of getting somehing like that for my business
 
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That's a lot of trailer. Glad to hear it is working for you.

I just got some quotes on a Laramie 2500 diesel and all I can get is even money for my ram....they will only go down to 52k on the 2500 so I don't think that will be happening anytime soon! Need to find a way to make the 2 month old ram work for me
 

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That's a lot of trailer. Glad to hear it is working for you.

I just got some quotes on a Laramie 2500 diesel and all I can get is even money for my ram....they will only go down to 52k on the 2500 so I don't think that will be happening anytime soon! Need to find a way to make the 2 month old ram work for me

My eventual plan is to use my truck as is with the trailer we have, as you normally keep the trailer longer then the vehicle, and when its time switch up to a 3500 mega cab down the road when its time to retire this truck.

They always say to get the biggest trailer you can right now as you cant easily go bigger like a truck.

Whats the cost of the trailer? we got ours for $27,900
 

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How do you like that rack in the truck bed? ive been thinking of getting somehing like that for my business

I like it a lot. We decided to get a 15' canoe that we can bring along for our camping trips while towing the TT. The rack I got is a Smittybilt. It seems to be built well and can hold up to 800lbs.

I did quit a bit of research and the SmittyBilt rack seems to be one of the highest rated for the lowest price.

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what is on your truck? is it wrapped for business?
 

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Yes sir, it's for my business. I photo shopped everything off of it though so I didn't violate the tos. Made that mistake before.
 

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Sorry, it's a 3M full black matte wrap with our logos wrapped over the truck.
 

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I'm late to this party, but I thought I would throw in my $.02 since I am in the EXACT same position as the OP, and really spun on it for a while before buying my Ram. It's a '13 Laramie as well, with almost identical payload rating- however I have the 3.92 and 8 speed with the Hemi. My payload was crushed by the options I wanted to make it a daily driver and travel vehicle.

My thoughts- any of us towing TT's with a half ton are going to have to compromise on many, many things. I had to decide what I wanted to compromise on, and at the end of it all, I tow that TT about 4-5 times a year to destinations within 150KM of us. Other factors I took into account- it's my DD and my family's primary travel vehicle. While my payload and trailer combo state I should have a 2500 or 3500 (or should have a base model 1500 with a higher payload), I can't justify the up front expense, nor the ongoing expense of owning such a massive animal that isn't working for what it eats or having to trade one base model vehicle for another, or the additional expense of trying to find a TT that is slightly lighter and having to purchase that as well even though our existing ultralight is paid for. Add to that- I wasn't interested in going to Ford again. The EcoBoost is awesome I am sure, but I am just not interested in a FI 6 powering my pickup unless it's a diesel, and the unloaded mileage in the 6.2L is horrifying.

I came from an F150- a '10 with the 5.4. For what that engine is- a sluggish brick- it was an amazing tow vehicle in the half ton segment, but it was also an XLT- pretty much the base model- the fanciest thing in it was the intermittent wipers. Payload of 1497lbs, 9600lbs towing. However after adding heavier rubber, large skid plates, and some internal goodies- I fully suspect I was sitting with a similar payload as my Laramie. When I came to the Ram, I promised myself I was going to get what I wanted. I didn't want to be stuck in the base model for 49 weeks of the year so that I could meet some paper tiger specs for the other 3. Plain and simple. I came from an era that people used to gauge their tow capacity by the engine block size and the bump stops. I see, time and time again, half tons with 1/4 the capability of the Ram towing trailers that make mine look like an outhouse. I have a 26' 5900lbs (wet) JayFeather. The F150 would manhandle that trailer- and I expect very similar or better experiences with the Ram but...

There are little things that you need to do in order to lessen the impact for yourself. From a legal standpoint, these mean nothing because you can't change what your sticker says. But from a purely functional standpoint it makes a huge difference because you can actually upgrade some of the components that go into the equation to calculate your payload. For me- tires (moved to E load duratracs) and airbags (haven't installed yet) but your biggest upgrade is your way of thinking. You have a lot of weight moving around, take your time. It's no race. i don't care if the 3500's will move it at 70mph. I am happy at 60 and feel safer. They can go around. I go in knowing my "sticker" says I shouldn't be this heavy, and I drive accordingly.

I firmly believe that the engineering team for Ram didn't design a truck that will automatically grenade when you exceed payload capacity. I sincerely hope that they designed a half ton to compete in the truck market for backwoods bush runners like me that use a truck as a truck to do truck things. For me, I will be about 200-300 over when we pull our trailer. Only when we pull our trailer. In the grand scheme of things, I am not exceeding my GCWR, my max tow capacity, nor my GAWR. Just my GVWR, and that is marginal. Will it explode? Doubt it considering the things I put my old 90 GMs through. Will it wear certain things out faster? Probably- but we do so many things that already do this (levels, larger rubber, tuners) what's the difference? Is it safe? Anything is only as safe as the operator and their mindset.

In short- the limits on the sticker should be adhered to as best you can, but I firmly believe that if you exceed one such as GVWR a bit, you should be OK, as long as you go in with the proper mindset and have done everything you can to make you and those around you safe- this may even include planning alternate routes to take yourself out of high traffic areas. However, exceeding the GCWR or GAWR is a recipe for disaster- and should never be done. Period. A rule of thumb I try to follow- 60-75% of rated tow capacity is comfortable. Payload, while important, is so tough to police when you haul a family- that I just try to keep it as close as I can. Sometimes you're over, sometimes you aren't but a couple hundred pounds won't be the end all. Personally, I feel safer in and around a slightly overloaded half ton with a responsible driver, than in or around a 3500 that is doing 75mph with a 29' trailer hanging off it because they can tow it that fast with ease and feel a false sense of security in owning a 3500. Quite often I think the drivers limits are truly tested in the half tons before the trucks limits are.

FWIW- my family of 5 has a combined weight of 826lbs. That is 826lbs of flesh and bone- forget extra cargo. Me and my son account for 500 of that. So, with that in mind- for a week long trip out of town without a trailer, knowing what my wife and teenage daughter need for makeup and shoes and clothes, we would exceed our payload just for that. Pretty ridiculous, huh?

Sorry for the long read, but I wanted to just toss this out there :)
 

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wow, that lacrosse is a good bit heavier than the Jayco I was looking at...you are at 6650 dry weight and 778 dry hitch weight...at least 1k more lbs trailer wise and 200lbs or so more tongue weight...I have tow package, etc on my Laramie (3.55), but that really doesnt matter...8450 vs 10k gross trailer weight (max)..the issue is payload...at least that is what I am getting told on camper forums. Nearly every one has said it would be at my trucks limits, and very likely a good bit over the limits (payload that is). Seems almost all half ton trucks will hit payload issues long before getting close to the max trailer tow lbs. Have you by chance went to a Cat scale to see your actual weights on each axle and what the trailer actually weighs?

How is it towing for you? that model is almost exactly like the Jayco model I am looking at...same layout everywhere. That is a nice rig you got there!



I was looking at the 14's ram with the 3.92 rear but like you said the payload will kill you. The wife and I don't have a tt so far, we went down this road before and I didn't want to do that again. Pretty soon I will be getting a 2014 but have been thinking about the 2500 hemi, which give you 2,500 payload and 11,500 towing, I think that will be ideal but the 2500 will be my DD so the gas mileage might not be the best.
 

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That's a lot of trailer. Glad to hear it is working for you.

I just got some quotes on a Laramie 2500 diesel and all I can get is even money for my ram....they will only go down to 52k on the 2500 so I don't think that will be happening anytime soon! Need to find a way to make the 2 month old ram work for me



What about the 2500 Hemi?
 
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I was looking at the 14's ram with the 3.92 rear but like you said the payload will kill you. The wife and I don't have a tt so far, we went down this road before and I didn't want to do that again. Pretty soon I will be getting a 2014 but have been thinking about the 2500 hemi, which give you 2,500 payload and 11,500 towing, I think that will be ideal but the 2500 will be my DD so the gas mileage might not be the best.

yeah, I have went back and forth on this a lot. I am going to trade my 1500 in on a 3500 CTD and be done with it. It is my DD also, but for a tiny cost difference between the 2500 and 3500, and a much larger payload capacity, it makes sense for me to go this route. Especially since we are now looking at fifth wheels now and most of them are too heavy (2000-2500 pin weight) for the 2500's. The ram 1500's just have horrible payload capacity...there is no way around it. I just wish I would have looked into this deeper before I bought one
 

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Yeah, I know what you mean with that, I was thinking about the hemi 2500 but the gas mileage will probadly kill me when not towing.
 
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