Better then a timing locked out Phaser,if you're doing a bigger cam

[Wild one]

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Home of the one and only billet sprocket timing set & phaser eliminator for the VVT Gen3 hemi. Ruggedly tested to over 1650 hp with an entire season of runs already.
Priced below a OEM phaser (locked out) and without the potential failure of the sheet metal sensor cage and/or phaser mechanism while loosing over 2 lbs off the cam nose. Upgraded attachment hardware and better clamping than OEM.
Demand this upgrade on your next swap/race build. In stock and ready to ship.

 

[Wild one]

This is what the phaser looks like when it fails.This is my buddies old phaser off his Hellcat.It's an expensive fix if the phaser comes apart

 

[Wild one]

If anybody is interested in these, they are on the shelf and ready to ship at both Blackbird Performance and Flyin' Ryan Performance.

 

[EdGs]

This is what the phaser looks like when it fails.This is my buddies old phaser off his Hellcat.It's an expensive fix if the phaser comes apart

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Are they all welded like that?

 

[Wild one]

That i couldn't tell you Ed,as i've never had one in pieces to check the welds on the cage.

 

[EdGs]

I might just have to sacrifice my original one

 

[QwikKota]

Does that eliminate variable valve timing?

 

[Wild one]

Does that eliminate variable valve timing?

Yes,but the majority of bigger aftermarket cams lock out the phaser,so you don't have VVT.It's done to help prevent piston to valve clearance issues as the hemi's an interferance engine.
If you look up the upper cam gear for the earlier non-VVT 6.1's,this is very similiar to their cam gear.

 

[Wild one]

Does that eliminate variable valve timing?

Mopar Engine Timing Drive Kit 6.1L SRT HEMI Engine

 

[Wild one]

I might just have to sacrifice my original one

If your original one was still functioning,i'm not sure i'd hack it up just to find out,lol. I'd go looking for one,that somebody has messed up trying to do a limiter or lock out on,and the spring has come unwound,then you don't mind cutting it up,as it's virtually garbage after the spring has unwound

 

[Wild one]

I might just have to sacrifice my original one

Ed i'd throw your old phaser on market place,as it'd be a good one to use with a lock-out installed.I'd buy it off you ,but the shipping to me would probably make it worth more then a new one

 

[EdGs]

Ed i'd throw your old phaser on market place,as it'd be a good one to use with a lock-out installed.I'd buy it off you ,but the shipping to me would probably make it worth more then a new one

Even with 200k miles on it?

What should I ask for it?

53022243AF goes for $317 @RockAuto

 

[Wild one]

Even with 200k miles on it?

What should I ask for it?

53022243AF goes for $317 @RockAuto

I'd start at $200,that gives you some leeway to come down.There's always somebody who tries to install a lock-out or limiter and buggers up their phaser,by loosening the last bolt to much and the spring comes unwound.Once the spring becomes dislodged the phaser is basically garbage

 

[mdc1990zr1]

Yes,but the majority of bigger aftermarket cams lock out the phaser,so you don't have VVT.It's done to help prevent piston to valve clearance issues as the hemi's an interferance engine.
If you look up the upper cam gear for the earlier non-VVT 6.1's,this is very similiar to their cam gear.

If you eliminate the VVT, should you start with an earlier block that had the camshaft lower in the block?

 

[Wild one]

If you eliminate the VVT, shot you start with an earlier block that had the camshaft lower in the block?

6.1 blocks aren't easy to come by now,plus they're a bit harder to get cams for,as not all that many outfits are doing cams for them.A 6.1 block done to 405 or 411 cubes would be a nice engine for a daily driver though

 

[RedSRT4Me]

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Home of the one and only billet sprocket timing set & phaser eliminator for the VVT Gen3 hemi. Ruggedly tested to over 1650 hp with an entire season of runs already.
Priced below a OEM phaser (locked out) and without the potential failure of the sheet metal sensor cage and/or phaser mechanism while loosing over 2 lbs off the cam nose. Upgraded attachment hardware and better clamping than OEM.
Demand this upgrade on your next swap/race build. In stock and ready to ship.

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By chance does anyone know when the CEL gets tripped using a lock or limiter? I imagine it has to have a min/max it looks for but I don't know.

 

[Wild one]

By chance does anyone know when the CEL gets tripped using a lock or limiter? I imagine it has to have a min/max it looks for but I don't know.

I think it probably has a max allowable movement number, min would probably be "0" degrees of advance or retard aka:straight up,and as long as the cam and crank timing are with-in that max allowable movement number it won't set a code.A limiter or lock-out are going to keep the cam timing well with-in that window of allowable movement.
I've never heard of anybody getting a cam/crank code using either a limiter or lock-out,but if you're a tooth off on the cam timing it will set a code,so being a tooth off,must move the cam out of timing far enough to set a code.
Supposedly there's about 38 degrees of total cam movement,whether that's all advance or retard or a split of the two,i'm not sure
I'd think they'd use spring pressure to advance the cam,and oil pressure and rpm to retard it,but that's only my thinking, i might be way off in left field,and totally wrong in thinking that's the way they control the cam timing

 

[RedSRT4Me]

I think it probably has a max allowable movement number, min would probably be "0" degrees of advance or retard aka:straight up,and as long as the cam and crank timing are with-in that max allowable movement number it won't set a code.A limiter or lock-out are going to keep the cam timing well with-in that window of allowable movement.
I've never heard of anybody getting a cam/crank code using either a limiter or lock-out,but if you're a tooth off on the cam timing it will set a code,so being a tooth off,must move the cam out of timing far enough to set a code.
Supposedly there's about 38 degrees of total cam movement,whether that's all advance or retard or a split of the two,i'm not sure
I'd think they'd use spring pressure to advance the cam,and oil pressure and rpm to retard it,but that's only my thinking, i might be way off in left field,and totally wrong in thinking that's the way they control the cam timing

Doing a cam has always given me pause because I'm afraid of that check engine light. If I can't pass emissions it's not going on my truck. Good info for the future. Thank you.

 

[Wild one]

Doing a cam has always given me pause because I'm afraid of that check engine light. If I can't pass emissions it's not going on my truck. Good info for the future. Thank you.

As long as the cam and crank are in time,i don't think a limiter or lock-out will cause any codes.