Clay, glaze, polish, wax BY HAND or with BUFFER??

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I'm not new to detailing, but I am new to buffing. I've always done my cars by hand with acceptable results but am curious what kind of difference a buffer would make.

I'm planning on using Mequires products that I have from past purchase to clay, glaze, polish, and wax (is that the right order?). Sounds like a ton of work by hand, but I've done it before.

Considering trying a buffer, is there a easy, inexpensive, dummy proof one you guys recommend?
 

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Are you looking to correct the paint? You'll need a machine if you're correcting. Plus 10-20 hours depending on how OCD you are and how bad your finish is now.

The only thing I do by hand is wash, clay, and apply carnauba or certain sealants. Otherwise I use my Flex or PC for everything else.




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Machine polishing is the way to go, especially when working on trucks with a lot of real estate to cover. The human body just can't compete with the speed/power of a machine. Once you get a machine in your hand, you'll kick yourself for working by hand for so long!

We offer he PC 7424XP and the Flex 3401...and i you buy either machine from us, it's warrantied FOR LIFE!

Also, the order is:

  • Wash
  • Clay
  • Polish
  • Sealant
  • Glaze
  • Wax

Any of the above steps can be omitted, but the ones you do should be performed in that order for the best results.
 

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Machine polishing is the way to go, especially when working on trucks with a lot of real estate to cover. The human body just can't compete with the speed/power of a machine. Once you get a machine in your hand, you'll kick yourself for working by hand for so long!

We offer he PC 7424XP and the Flex 3401...and i you buy either machine from us, it's warrantied FOR LIFE!

Also, the order is:

  • Wash
  • Clay
  • Polish
  • Sealant
  • Glaze
  • Wax

Any of the above steps can be omitted, but the ones you do should be performed in that order for the best results.

Good info here for order of washing!
 

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Machine polishing is the way to go, especially when working on trucks with a lot of real estate to cover. The human body just can't compete with the speed/power of a machine. Once you get a machine in your hand, you'll kick yourself for working by hand for so long!

We offer he PC 7424XP and the Flex 3401...and i you buy either machine from us, it's warrantied FOR LIFE!

Also, the order is:

  • Wash
  • Clay
  • Polish
  • Sealant
  • Glaze
  • Wax

Any of the above steps can be omitted, but the ones you do should be performed in that order for the best results.

Good info here for order of washing!

Thanks for sharing that
 

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Are you looking to correct the paint? You'll need a machine if you're correcting. Plus 10-20 hours depending on how OCD you are and how bad your finish is now.

The only thing I do by hand is wash, clay, and apply carnauba or certain sealants. Otherwise I use my Flex or PC for everything else.

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Chris,

What are the differences between the flex and the pc, and what are each best suited for?

Dave
 

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Chris,

What are the differences between the flex and the pc, and what are each best suited for?

Dave

The PC (great beginners polisher as well as pros) is an orbital polisher which means it doesn't spin with force, but does spin due to the nature of the orbit. The Flex on the other hand is a true dual action. It spins with force like a "buffer" or Rotary at a much slower RPM, but also is an orbital. They call it a forced rotation orbital polisher and the benefit is a much quicker correction of the paint, that can also be an issue in a beginners hands. Paint burn through is possible (albeit hard to do) with a Flex. A rotary in a beginners hands is just BAD!!!

When it comes to ease of use and safety to the paint the PC comes in first, then the Flex and then the rotary or old school buffer.

People with experience will use the Flex whereas beginners will use the PC to correct paint. Only a true professional (very few out there) can truly correct a cars paint with a rotary. Most hack it up and put a crap ton of holograms in the paint and then cover them up with fillers and once they vanish, you see all the damage you paid for.

I have all three because all three have their place, but you could get away with just a PC and some Adams Focus pads in place of a full rotary.

Here's a gas tank I wet sanded and polished for a buddy. What you see here was done with a rotary and a PC and is bare polished only paint. All using Adams products. It's all I use.

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So is the 7424 just used for the polishing stage? Glaze and wax done by hand?
 

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Machine polishing is the way to go, especially when working on trucks with a lot of real estate to cover. The human body just can't compete with the speed/power of a machine. Once you get a machine in your hand, you'll kick yourself for working by hand for so long!

We offer he PC 7424XP and the Flex 3401...and i you buy either machine from us, it's warrantied FOR LIFE!

I must be dense (actually, with all the allergy medications, I know I am).
I could not find either machine on your website. Only the kits to go with them.

I don't know that I need much right now beyond a good clay bar'n, but I'm always looking to polish up some vehicles on the side.
 

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Put a sandwich Baggie on your hand, feel your paint. If its not smooth... Clay and clay well. Always check your work before moving onto the next step.


I'm in the middle of a 20-25 hour correction myself. On my NEW truck. I took from dealer stock, so the level of zippers, jacket metal, belt buckles, purse hardware, pant rivets, kids dragging fingers... On my paint is heavy. This truck has 130 mi on it. 89 mi by me.

I'm using a Flex and a PC.
Using a mix of my fav products. The ONLY Meg's products I use is the M105 and M205. that's a heavy cut correcting polish to get out the damage, then I step it down with Adams Swirl/Haze Remover then to M205 Polish.

After that, Adams machine Super Sealant (or quick sealant if you'd like). I'll let that ride on the truck for a few days. Then wash again and top off with brilliant glaze (Adams) and Americana Paste Wax.

Once I go thru all that, it's a must to use a 2 bucket wash and dry proper. That keeps my hard work alive and I shouldn't have to go to this level of repair again.

I'll add a pic. It's an iphone5 pic tho...

Look around the halogen lights and you'll see the swirls and cuts in the clear coat. THAT... Is all over this 130mi truck.
 

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Put a sandwich Baggie on your hand, feel your paint. If its not smooth... Clay and clay well. Always check your work before moving onto the next step.


I'm in the middle of a 20-25 hour correction myself. On my NEW truck. I took from dealer stock, so the level of zippers, jacket metal, belt buckles, purse hardware, pant rivets, kids dragging fingers... On my paint is heavy. This truck has 130 mi on it. 89 mi by me.

I'm using a Flex and a PC.
Using a mix of my fav products. The ONLY Meg's products I use is the M105 and M205. that's a heavy cut correcting polish to get out the damage, then I step it down with Adams Swirl/Haze Remover then to M205 Polish.

After that, Adams machine Super Sealant (or quick sealant if you'd like). I'll let that ride on the truck for a few days. Then wash again and top off with brilliant glaze (Adams) and Americana Paste Wax.

Once I go thru all that, it's a must to use a 2 bucket wash and dry proper. That keeps my hard work alive and I shouldn't have to go to this level of repair again.

I'll add a pic. It's an iphone5 pic tho...

Look around the halogen lights and you'll see the swirls and cuts in the clear coat. THAT... Is all over this 130mi truck.

The sandwich baggie or plastic grocery bag works AWESOME! Only do this on a freshly cleaned car however. Also, don't just do it on the hood and think the whole car is good. behind the wheels and the tailgate or back of a car are almost always the worst areas for contamination to stick. It's a negative pressure area so dirt just gloms on and never gets blown away.

Look at that tank... That was all done with Adams. Severe Swirl Remove, Swirl and Haze Remover, and Fine Machine Polish...

Junk, are you using the Megs because you've had it and just want to use it up or because you prefer it?

In a little while, I think you'll dump your Megs... There's some cool stuff coming around the bend at Adams... Name simplification for one! :emotions36:

Adams goal from the beginning was to do something others in the industry weren't doing. He wanted to create a product line that was easy to use, easy to understand, and was safe for the home enthusiast like us. If you notice, most of his chemicals colors, match the applicator or tool used with them so that it takes SOME (not all) of the guess work out of it. You use the orange polish with the orange pad and the green polish with the green pad and on and on...

A key thing to keep in mind (not directed at you Junk) is to use the least aggressive product possible to correct your paint. This DOES remove clear coat so less is more as long as you're getting the results in a timely manner. You could sit there for days and get the results with the finest cutting polish, but who wants to? :Stupid Me:

I can't stress enough that people wanting to venture down the "correction road" should watch these videos or like videos and when you're done, re-watch them and take notes!!! It shows you how to correctly wash your vehicle so that you impart less damage when cleaning, and how to correct the paint as well as MANY other things. 90% of the scratches you see in your paint, are put there in the washing process. Washing it right, will not eliminate scratches, but will reduce the severity and the amount dramatically.

Instructional Detailing Videos

If you want to know how bad your paint REALLY is, shot a flash into it on macro... Below is a picture of corrected paint.
 

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I must be dense (actually, with all the allergy medications, I know I am).
I could not find either machine on your website. Only the kits to go with them.

I don't know that I need much right now beyond a good clay bar'n, but I'm always looking to polish up some vehicles on the side.

No, I agree it's a little jacked up... I don't know why they don't just sell the tool by itself online, but they will if you call in the order.

I think they treat it like you're starting from scratch and need more than just the tool, which you do if you're indeed starting from scratch...

Click this link and then you'll see that you can choose the tool of your chose in a drop down box. This is only one example of a kit. They have many more. Kits aren't cheap, but they'll save you a TON of dough over buying it over time. I will say that waiting for daily or weekly specials really does help save money too. You'll see them posted here, as well as on their forum, twitter, and Facebook.
Flex Polisher | Flex Pads | Auto Detailing Kits
 

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So is the 7424 just used for the polishing stage? Glaze and wax done by hand?

NO! You can put on the sealant and their glaze with the machines as well. There's a different pad for the different polishes, sealant, and glaze. You just pull the pad off (velcro) and slap on the next one and adjust your speed accordingly.

Their carnuba waxes are best put on by hand...

Chris

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Junk, are you using the Megs because you've had it and just want to use it up or because you prefer it?

In a little while, I think you'll dump your Megs... There's some cool stuff coming around the bend at Adams... Name simplification for one! :emotions36:

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Using Meg's cos after Adams since 2009, I've decided to leave this one brand town with high taxes and see what else the world has to offer. Meg's m105 has a higher cutting power than SHR, IMO and with the 205 as polish.... I got 2x the product for less $.

Figured I'd try it.

We have to develop our own techniques. Adams videos polishes new cars or show cars only. Bring back AJ... At least he showed you a real polishing in real time. My technique for this truck is m105>>S&HR>>Focus pad the panel>>next panel... Then I'll finish it with M205>>Machine Super Sealant >>> wait 2-3 days>> wash>>>BG>>APW

Then onto the 300 I go.

Also looking into Garry dean as well.
 

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Using Meg's cos after Adams since 2009, I've decided to leave this one brand town with high taxes and see what else the world has to offer. Meg's m105 has a higher cutting power than SHR, IMO and with the 205 as polish.... I got 2x the product for less $.

Figured I'd try it.

We have to develop our own techniques. Adams videos polishes new cars or show cars only. Bring back AJ... At least he showed you a real polishing in real time. My technique for this truck is m105>>S&HR>>Focus pad the panel>>next panel... Then I'll finish it with M205>>Machine Super Sealant >>> wait 2-3 days>> wash>>>BG>>APW

Then onto the 300 I go.

Also looking into Garry dean as well.



They're showing the process more than anything. This is also why you're seeing all the write ups from the Adams team on beat up cars which we never saw before. I now a lot of people like mixing and matching, but I like to make it as simple as possible and I've always gotten the results I've wanted from Adams.

Sever Swirl Remover from Adams also has a higher cutting power than SHR from Adams.

A 110% guarantee and the customer support they offer DOES cost money. I bet the CEO of 3M won't get on the phone with you and work out your paint issues... ;) lol I like the smaller companies because of that level of service. They're much like our families business. Focused on customer support/service.

AJ isn't coming back, but he was NEVER told to go away either...
 
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No, I agree it's a little jacked up... I don't know why they don't just sell the tool by itself online, but they will if you call in the order.

I think they treat it like you're starting from scratch and need more than just the tool, which you do if you're indeed starting from scratch...

Click this link and then you'll see that you can choose the tool of your chose in a drop down box. This is only one example of a kit. They have many more. Kits aren't cheap, but they'll save you a TON of dough over buying it over time. I will say that waiting for daily or weekly specials really does help save money too. You'll see them posted here, as well as on their forum, twitter, and Facebook.
Flex Polisher | Flex Pads | Auto Detailing Kits

Thanks Much!
 

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The write ups I've seen are more 'show-n-tell' than a 'how-to' for something more difficult than the average correction.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy using the products. I'm not saying they aren't great, simple and work well. I am, however, not against trying other products. I'd they save me $' cool. I can get a concentrate of another DS that makes over 6 gallons for less than what one of Adams DS costs.
Does that mean I don't like Adams DS? No. Their Ds is great. Not wild about the pad staining of the latest formula or the change in scent... And I'm watching my MF to see if issues arise like have on the pads...but...does that mean I'm stuck with one brand?

I own a RAM. Can I put Borla, Vararam and JL Audio products on it? Yes.

I've waved the Adams flag for close to 4 years. I won't stop promoting Adams, tho I get nothing out of it...lol...I've dropped roughly $3500 on Adams products... Turned about 30 cars with it... I see things slipping.. And yes I've complained. Little things like requesting DvDs (to hand out to people with high end cars) and stickers... To a poorly cut microfiber(or 4)... I seem to get ignored.

Am I going to call Ash? Nah. I'll just ***** about it on the Internet and keep spending $100 a week there. Haha...
 

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Ouch... I've had crooked cut WW towels, but it never hurt the performance of them so I didn't care.

I'm not against using other brands products by any means. I just like to grab and go and not have to put any thought into it. That and I'm not a big 3M fan. They treat their vendors like CRAP IMO.

I also buy most of my products on specials which can work out to save a bunch of money.

On the subject of the DS concentration... They've talked about doing concentrates in the past, but their target audience is the home hobbiest or amateur, and they're afraid people will make a decision that if this much water in it works this well, then cutting it 50% will make it work 50% better, and that isn't usually the case. I've heard stories of what NooB's do, and it floors me.

Chris
 
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