GM Faces Big Class Action Suit Over Faulty Transmissions

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Fords old heavy duty C6 was good for making fish hooks on the pavement,lol. Basically back up as fast as you could,drop it into drive and floor it ,that'll give you the best fish hook blackies you'll see.I used to do it all the time with my dads old F150 Ford. Transmission was still working good in it when the body finally fell off the truck with a little over 200,000 miles on it,lol. Dad parted the truck out,and sold the transmission to a local young guy who put a shift kit in it,and beat the hell out of the transmission some more,lol.
The "Car" C-6's had 3-pinion, aluminum housing planetaries, and were not capable of that kind of abuse for long. The TRUCK C-6,s (I had this on my 1966 428 CJ powered Galaxie 500 XL) had 4-pinion, steel housings, and COULD take the abuse.
 

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Damn, man! I should have parted out the 71 Pontiac LeMans.
There is a company in Canada called "Lentec" that produced a modified Ford AOD transmission by marrying it with parts from the Ford 4R70W unit, some years ago. This resulted in a transmission capable of taking 55% more horsepower and torque than the TH400. I saw one in a 6-7 second Chevy using an adapter plate. This car had 1100ish horsepower! It had been eating 400's until the switch to the "Ravineaux" designed Ford unit.
 

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That's certainly what they claim, and 99% of the time they're referring to the transmissions in the late 2000 model trucks. I used to parrot the same thing until I got one. Changed my mind rather quickly.

Even the "Allisons" in the GM diesels aren't as good as they once were. Yet folks still claim they're the best thing since sliced bread. :)
What's so great about sliced bread? ;)
 

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The "Car" C-6's had 3-pinion, aluminum housing planetaries, and were not capable of that kind of abuse for long. The TRUCK C-6,s (I had this on my 1966 428 CJ powered Galaxie 500 XL) had 4-pinion, steel housings, and COULD take the abuse.
They also had stronger ribbed cases to.The Lincolns supposedly had the heavy duty ribbed case C-6's if they had a 460.
Lentech is still around,but Len has retired as far as i know and Chris owns the company now.Their Strip AOD is rated to 1500 hp,but they don't reconmend using it in a street car that see's more street then strip action. My brother ran one of Lens street AODs years ago in his blown 5.0,and he couldn't blow it up.
The Turbo 400 of today is not the same Turbo 400 of days of old .The majority of T-400's in use in drag applications are utilizing the Reid case and are capable of holding well in excess of 2000 rwhp

 
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They also had stronger ribbed cases to.The Lincolns supposedly had the heavy duty ribbed case C-6's if they had a 460.
Lentech is still around,but Len has retired as far as i know and Chris owns the company now.Their Strip AOD is rated to 1500 hp,but they don't reconmend using it in a street car that see's more street then strip action. My brother ran one of Lens street AODs years ago in his blown 5.0,and he couldn't blow it up.
The Turbo 400 of today is not the same Turbo 400 of days of old .The majority of T-400's in use in drag applications are utilizing the Reid case and are capable of holding well in excess of 2000 rwhp

I replaced and built a TH400 for a friend's '68 Camaro which he had removed the 396 and put in a 454 LS 6 with aluminum heads. He found out the hard way why one retains the rubber trans mount even though they have put solid steel mounts on the engine.... it split the case!
This was circa 1982 or so. I had to remove the headers and exhaust. Oh, the fun! :)
 

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They also had stronger ribbed cases to.The Lincolns supposedly had the heavy duty ribbed case C-6's if they had a 460.
Lentech is still around,but Len has retired as far as i know and Chris owns the company now.Their Strip AOD is rated to 1500 hp,but they don't reconmend using it in a street car that see's more street then strip action. My brother ran one of Lens street AODs years ago in his blown 5.0,and he couldn't blow it up.
The Turbo 400 of today is not the same Turbo 400 of days of old .The majority of T-400's in use in drag applications are utilizing the Reid case and are capable of holding well in excess of 2000 rwhp

Those big ribs were only on the 385 series big block cases, and the "M" series 335 400 cubic inch engines. The 2 uppermost bolts were higher up and 8 inches apart. The case for all other applications had much closer together upper bolts at about 4 inches, The ribs were smaller too.
 

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Those big ribs were only on the 385 series big block cases, and the "M" series 335 400 cubic inch engines. The 2 uppermost bolts were higher up and 8 inches apart. The case for all other applications had much closer together upper bolts at about 4 inches, The ribs were smaller too.
They were also behind some of the FE C-6's to.My Dads old 75 F150 was an oddball truck,that after he dug into with the ford rep from down east was supposedly a truck built for a magazine test.How it ended up on a dealers lot in western Canada,the rep couldn't explain it.The truck had the heavy duty 391 block/Holley 4 barrel and a dual point distributor.We found out about the block when Dad had to replace the timing chain,as the run of the mill 390 timing chain was differant and didn't fit the engine in the truck, he had to buy the timing chain for the heavy duty 391 used in the 3 ton and heavier trucks,it also had the heavy duty ribbed transmission case,and it had the ultra rare nodular iron center section in the rear diff.
Supposedly the truck didn't exist if you tried to build it and order it through a dealer,but according to the Ford rep from Detriot who actually looked at the truck and took the vin number with him back to Detriot,the truck had been built to be a magazine test truck,but he couldn't find out anything on how the truck ended up on a small town dealers lot in Alberta.All i know is i put that truck through living hell from when i was 14 to about 17 and it took everything a nutbar teenager could throw at it,and never whimpered,lol.
One day i came home,and the old man got mad as hell at me,when he found a crushed oil can under the 100 gallon fuel tank in the box that was full of diesal.Somewhere along the drive home through the local thrill hills,i'd had the fuel tank far enough off the floor of the box an oil can rolled under it,Dad was not impressed you might say,lol
Those were the days the factories were still building oddballs that didn't exist if you were to order something through the normal channels,but if you knew how to run the ordering system,you could still buy a really good truck
 
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They were also behind some of the FE C-6's to.My Dads old 75 F150 was an oddball truck,that after he dug into with the ford rep from down east was supposedly a truck built for a magazine test.How it ended up on a dealers lot in western Canada,the rep couldn't explain it.The truck had the heavy duty 391 block/Holley 4 barrel and a dual point distributor.We found out about the block when Dad had to replace the timing chain,as the run of the mill 390 timing chain was differant and didn't fit the engine in the truck, he had to buy the timing chain for the heavy duty 391 used in the 3 ton and heavier trucks,it also had the heavy duty ribbed transmission case,and it had the ultra rare nodular iron center section in the rear diff.
Supposedly the truck didn't exist if you tried to build it and order it through a dealer,but according to the Ford rep from Detriot who actually looked at the truck and took the vin number with him back to Detriot,the truck had been built to be a magazine test truck,but he couldn't find out anything on how the truck ended up on a small town dealers lot in Alberta.All i know is i put that truck through living hell from when i was 14 to about 17 and it took everything a nutbar teenager could throw at it,and never whimpered,lol.
One day i came home,and the old man got mad as hell at me,when he found a crushed oil can under the 100 gallon fuel tank in the box that was full of diesal.Somewhere along the drive home through the local thrill hills,i'd had the fuel tank far enough off the floor of the box an oil can rolled under it,Dad was not impressed you might say,lol
Those were the days the factories were still building oddballs that didn't exist if you were to order something through the normal channels,but if you knew how to run the ordering system,you could still buy a really good truck
The 2 inch embossed "N" in the differential case was the dead giveaway that there was more nickel in the cast iron, thus, it was severe duty. My Galaxie 500 had the 3:70 posi unit with 31 spline axles and the "N" on the housing. I sadly and short sightedly traded the car in on an Escort when gas prices nearly doubled in 1982. There was a HEMI Fury sitting on the parking lot at that dealer, that a guy had traded in for the same reason. I'll bet he kicked himself many times for getting rid of THAT car.
 

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The 2 inch embossed "N" in the differential case was the dead giveaway that there was more nickel in the cast iron, thus, it was severe duty. My Galaxie 500 had the 3:70 posi unit with 31 spline axles and the "N" on the housing. I sadly and short sightedly traded the car in on an Escort when gas prices nearly doubled in 1982. There was a HEMI Fury sitting on the parking lot at that dealer, that a guy had traded in for the same reason. I'll bet he kicked himself many times for getting rid of THAT car.
It had the big "N" cast into the center section,when Dad was parting out the truck,i stole the center section,and it went in my hot little 77 regular cab shortbox,lol.
My Uncle was the original owner of one of the last 71 Hemi R/T Chargers built.Coming home from a X-mas party with it in the late 70's,he put it on it's side into a soft snowbank,at the time the car wasn't worth that much,so he took the insurance pay-out on it,and bought a brand new 78 Cordoba. A local body man bought the car off the insurance company,sucked out the minor dent in the pass door and replaced the pass mirror,the car is still kicking around and was featured in Mopar Action a few years ago.My Uncle is no longer with us,but up till he passed about 10 years ago,i could get him pretty wound up by bringing the car up and bugging him about letting the insurance company pay him out on it,lol.
Hemilonestar spotted the car at Carlisle a few years ago.

 

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