going to synthetic oil....

[ram5.7hemi]

I just bought a new 2015 ram Hemi, I am strongly considering switching over to synthetic. i discovered they are use conventional pennzoil in the trucks and i haven't heard anything good about pennzoil from people i know.... unless it has gotten better recently but I'm kinda skeptical... but i do want to use something that is certified for the ram trucks...

in my old truck (2008) i used valvoline premium conventional and seemed to like it.. it seemed to last longer than what was in it before probably cheap oil from jiffylube.

im considering going with valvoline synthetic in my new truck... is there any oil thats better for a decent cost?

when can i switch to synthetic does the truck need to have over 5k miles? 10k miles?

 

[Danimal77]

Pennzoil is actually a pretty good product. I switched over to synthetic in my 2015 using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum......and the Hemi loves it!

 

[ram5.7hemi]

Pennzoil is actually a pretty good product. I switched over to synthetic in my 2015 using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum......and the Hemi loves it!

maybe something changed? the few people i know at work who are car guys and a couple mechanics said pennzoil is the worst.. maybe it was and has improved...

 

[SyN]

Those few people know nothing about oil!
Pennzoil Yelllow Bottle (PYB) is one of the most Robust Conventional Oils you can buy on the shelves today! Their Synthetic Oils are right there with M1{ Not better or Worse}...many opinions on this!

Their only downfall is with their Ultra & Ultra Platinum Pure Plus line--> Total lack of Distribution and Lack of Different Viscosity Grades Available...

Today's oils are all Very Good compared to 10-20 years ago... Your OCI & Oil Filter choice are more important in my opinion!

 

[Danimal77]

maybe something changed? the few people i know at work who are car guys and a couple mechanics said pennzoil is the worst.. maybe it was and has improved...

There is a big ole' synthetic thread floating around this forum. I suggest you find it and enlighten yourself. Tons of good info there.

 

[QwikKota]

Too soon is bad because it doesn't let the rings seat properly and too late can be bad due to seal leakage. The latter is typically on cars over 100k miles. I typically change early and put conventional back in around 1k miles. I run that for 5k miles then would switch to synthetic and run it for a year or 8500 to 10k miles depending on how much punishment the engine gets with towing or dirt roads etc. This schedule puts an engine around 6k miles for when to switch to synthetic from my input at least.

 

[Burla]

Hey OP listen up, shortly after Shell bought Penzoil over a decade ago they reformulated their oils and they are today the best over the counter product you can buy. Like Syn said, their yellow bottle is best on the market for conventional oil and is likely better then the synthetic you mention. Molybdenum is one of the elements in PYB in high number that is beneficial to dry lifter at startup, that Valvoline doesn't even add to their oils.

I could go on and on, but I already have in the Synthetic oil thread. learn about what's beneficial to your engine and pick an oil that matches. You can use PQIA to see what your oil contains or ask me, look here your oil has no Moly. Some Valvoline products have even had warnings from PQIA, I would never even think of running next gen.


The top tier oils are Redline, Motul and Amsoil, many benefits to these such as at least 18k mile oil chnage intervals and up. Then you have top over the counter synthetics the top one being Penzoil Ultra, and after that you have the entire field of group 3 synthetics, like Penzoil Platinum, mobil 1, Royal Purple, etc etc. You can run any at the 5k mile mark.

Also, think about synthetic filters like Amsoil AE or Royal Purple. RP is widely available and imo is the best you can get.

 

[ram5.7hemi]

Hey OP listen up, shortly after Shell bought Penzoil over a decade ago they reformulated their oils and they are today the best over the counter product you can buy. Like Syn said, their yellow bottle is best on the market for conventional oil and is likely better then the synthetic you mention. Molybdenum is one of the elements in PYB in high number that is beneficial to dry lifter at startup, that Valvoline doesn't even add to their oils.

I could go on and on, but I already have in the Synthetic oil thread. learn about what's beneficial to your engine and pick an oil that matches. You can use PQIA to see what your oil contains or ask me, look here your oil has no Moly. Some Valvoline products have even had warnings from PQIA, I would never even think of running next gen.


The top tier oils are Redline, Motul and Amsoil, many benefits to these such as at least 18k mile oil chnage intervals and up. Then you have top over the counter synthetics the top one being Penzoil Ultra, and after that you have the entire field of group 3 synthetics, like Penzoil Platinum, mobil 1, Royal Purple, etc etc. You can run any at the 5k mile mark.

Also, think about synthetic filters like Amsoil AE or Royal Purple. RP is widely available and imo is the best you can get.

hey thanks for the info. what exactly is Moly? an additive to the oil? is the mopar a good oil filter? what Oil filters should i stay away from?

 

[Shosmokin193]

I actually asked the service manager when i bought my 2015 1500 5.7 hemi 8speed about this and the type of filter and. The answer i got was "the penzoil syn was the best to use in the hemi and to stay away from the m1 because they have found that the m1 actually breaks down faster than it should in the hemi, as for the oil filter they said the mopar filter was specifically designed for the hemi so use that.

 

[Burla]

Hey Ram5.,7 I don't know if you got an answer to your question, google Moly Basics and read from bobs or read synthetic oil thread. Moly is an element that attaches itself to metal and sticks even when the oils drains down. When you start your truck, it is the only thing you have between any metal surfaces that rub before the oil gets there. By the time you shut off your truck your oil is hot and can't wait to avoid metal and almost none of it sticks, it all drains to the pan. Most oil companies use this element for this startup protection.

 

[SyN]

Shosmokin: Your SMGR needs to highly educate himself... Though Pennzoil is the {Recommended} Oil... It is smart to use during your warranty period... M1 is as Robust as any other off the shelf oils... In other Viscosity's-->More Robust!

The 5.7L Hemi is very easy on the oil! Hundreds of UOA have proven this...

Ask your so called service mgr to show you actual data that shows M1 {Breaks Down} more or faster then Pennzoil within the Hemi! Does he actually mean {Shear}? NEVER believe word of mouth-->Especially if you have $$$ invested... which is your Hemi! Also ask him-->Best at What?

Local WM has totally quit stocking Pennzoil Ultra of any kind... So I will be switching back to M1 EP for my winter oil change... Kinda sad! She really seemed to respond well to the Ultra...

It is ok to listen to others advice and thoughts {and take it into consideration} but take the time to research on your own... 64% of the time the advice and thoughts spewed out are far from the actual data that is shown...{Especially when the talk is about Motor Oil}! I have always considered Motor Oil talk very similar to Religion Talk!

 

[Kotta390]

Hey OP listen up, shortly after Shell bought Penzoil over a decade ago they reformulated their oils and they are today the best over the counter product you can buy. Like Syn said, their yellow bottle is best on the market for conventional oil and is likely better then the synthetic you mention. Molybdenum is one of the elements in PYB in high number that is beneficial to dry lifter at startup, that Valvoline doesn't even add to their oils.

I could go on and on, but I already have in the Synthetic oil thread. learn about what's beneficial to your engine and pick an oil that matches. You can use PQIA to see what your oil contains or ask me, look here your oil has no Moly. Some Valvoline products have even had warnings from PQIA, I would never even think of running next gen.


The top tier oils are Redline, Motul and Amsoil, many benefits to these such as at least 18k mile oil chnage intervals and up. Then you have top over the counter synthetics the top one being Penzoil Ultra, and after that you have the entire field of group 3 synthetics, like Penzoil Platinum, mobil 1, Royal Purple, etc etc. You can run any at the 5k mile mark.

Also, think about synthetic filters like Amsoil AE or Royal Purple. RP is widely available and imo is the best you can get.

Just a quick question, I just put Pennzoil Platinum in my truck and I lan on running it for 7000 miles before the next oil change. I rarely beat on my truck and it sees 90% of highway. Is this an ok interval to use before changing the oil again with the type of oil. I got a Pennzoil Platinum filter, which I think is a rebranded Purolater IIRC.

 

[SyN]

Kotta: I know you asked Burla...

Until you are out of your warranty I would follow the OLM!

In my honest opinion the PP with your driving habits could very easily go 7K miles...Same for the Oil Filter... Your OLM might have you drive more then 7K miles...
Highway miles are Very Easy on the Motor and Oil... {Within Reason}!

 

[Burla]

Good choice on oil and interval kotta, no problem at all. But, in my opinion you need to cut that filter open and see what the media is like at the end of the cycle. If it is pliable, then it is still filtering, if it is stiff like carboard or worse, then there is no to little filtering going on. Pull it apart and inspect it. I only recommend Royal Filter filters at this point because it is the only one that stood my inspection, and in fact stood a 14 month oil change interval. I am not saying their other filters out there that can't do the same, but I haven't ran across any myself. I assume Amsoil EA will do the same based on tests I've seen, but the only one I can vouch for is RP. If anyone wants to use a different filter I support that, but you are on your own as far as knowing how long it will filter for. With the RP filter, you know that filter will be filtering as long as it is on your truck, or by chance it is gummed up you know the filter bypass would be open because BURLA already tested it. My belief is the greatest threat to all engine lubrication is the filtration and PCV, not what oil you are using. There are some cool benefits from different oils, but imo the filter and pcv need to do their job for the oil to do it's job effectively. Everyone should cut their filters open and just look and see if it stood the test of time, or run RP because you already know that filter is solid.

 

[Hootbro]

I actually asked the service manager when i bought my 2015 1500 5.7 hemi 8speed about this and the type of filter and. The answer i got was "the penzoil syn was the best to use in the hemi and to stay away from the m1 because they have found that the m1 actually breaks down faster than it should in the hemi, as for the oil filter they said the mopar filter was specifically designed for the hemi so use that.

Your service manager is full of crap on the Mobil 1.

 

[AcerOne]

I was very impressed with how easy the 5.7 is on oil. I took my synthetic oil out after 7500KMS and it was good to go for at least another 3000k. Theres no need to rush oil changes on this vehicle.

 

[Riccochet]

The oil change indicator in my '13 is set on 10k miles regardless of driving habits or any thing else. That being said I run PP with Wix filters and change every 7000-8500. Last time I did a UOA at the 8000 mile mark they said oil looked good would be good for another 3000-5000 miles. That was when I was at 40k miles on the truck. I'm at 54k now. I could probably just go the full 10k and be ok, but I tow a lot and my OCD starts kickin in. So, lol.

 

[jag1886]

Pennzoil Platinum is what you want, it is one of the few that meets all the right standards, don't use additives in any oil it just screws up the original formula (kinda like buying a $300 bottle of Whisky and then putting Coke in it), new engines are honed different than old engines you can use syn oil as soon as you want.

 

[Hemi395]

I cut open the last Mopar filter I had and and a RP filter I had from a previous oil change. Overall i was pretty impressed with the Mopar filter. The media was still pretty pliable after 4500miles. The RP filter is definitely superior though in just about every aspect.

I'm using PYB and Mopar filters until I'm out of warranty. PYB has a better additive package than some synthetics and my Hemi runs well on it. Plus its dirt cheap! Can't go wrong with PYB.

 

[SyN]

Hemi395: Are you following your OLM?