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Well, I think I have a problem .......... I posted the issue on the 5th gen Dodge talk site but just crickets.
I have a recently acquired Grand Caravan SE, low mileage, excellent over all condition. A strange thing has happened twice. I shut it off, run my errand and when I come back, it is sitting there idling. The key is in my pocket. No, it does not have remote start, at least not indicated on the key fob. I put the key into ignition and turn to run then off but no change. I put my foot on the brake pedal and it quits. That is the way it should be IF it had remote start.
Both times it happened, I was in the same general area in town, within about 200 yards of each occurrence. I thought maybe RFI but ????
Anyone run into this?
 

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I have never heard or read of this happening to any vehicle that does not have remote start. If it is a remote start activation it should shut off after running 15 minutes. It should also only remote start twice until it is started with the key again. Do the windshield wipers work when it is running like this?
 

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Agreed with the above post. What year is it? I know we bought a 19 Pacifica new and it was an electrical nightmare. It made it until November of 21 when it almost got us seriously hit because of the falling on its face that it was doing. Ours only had 11k on it when we got rid of that thing.
 
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I have never heard or read of this happening to any vehicle that does not have remote start. If it is a remote start activation it should shut off after running 15 minutes. It should also only remote start twice until it is started with the key again. Do the windshield wipers work when it is running like this?
If it happens again, I'll try the wipers and I'll let it run to see if it shuts down after 15 minutes.
 
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Agreed with the above post. What year is it? I know we bought a 19 Pacifica new and it was an electrical nightmare. It made it until November of 21 when it almost got us seriously hit because of the falling on its face that it was doing. Ours only had 11k on it when we got rid of that thing.
It is a 2017 GC ..... everything works as it should but this self start thing really got me.
 
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Your vehicles VIN should be entered on the site below
The Letters must be Capitalized


It should tell you IF the vehicle has Remote Start
Thank you for the info, I printed it off so I have it for future reference.
There is a line that states ......... "TIP Start" ........ I don't know what that means. Any suggestions? Thanks again!
 

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We had an 18 Pacifica and it was great. Basic model. Wife wanted more bells and whistles and of they came with a price. See what it is doing next time. Dodge kept telling me nothing is wrong with it. Or in the case of the falling on its face they couldn’t replicate it. Typical response. They didn’t believe me that it was having electrical issues until it flat broke down at 6k miles and they had to tow it out their pocket to the dealership. They always said it was a software update. I didn’t believe that mess. One time I had to uber home and get my ram because the slider door wouldn’t shut. It had the electric open, but something happened one day and it froze and wouldn’t shut even manually. The kids were in the car. It was a mess. Another of it was a software update.
 
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Thank you for the info, I printed it off so I have it for future reference.
There is a line that states ......... "TIP Start" ........ I don't know what that means. Any suggestions? Thanks again!
Cancel that request for TIP start. GOOGLE answered. Thanks!
 

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Thank you for the info, I printed it off so I have it for future reference.
There is a line that states ......... "TIP Start" ........ I don't know what that means. Any suggestions? Thanks again!
 

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Google is your Buddy.:anitoof:

Tip start is a feature found on some Dodge RAMs and Jeeps from 2009 onwards. It allows the driver to put the ignition in the ‘start’ position, from where the car’s electronic control module will keep cranking the starter engine until the car starts. In most modern days, RAM’s and Jeeps tip start has been replaced by remote start.


However, that doesn’t tell the whole story. Below we’ll dive deeper into how Tip start works. After that, we’ll talk about the sense and nonsense of Tip start. We’ll also discuss which cars have Tip start and how much the feature costs on these cars. Read on!


What's Inside show

How Does Tip Start Work?​


As said before, Tip start allows the owners of Dodge RAMs and Jeeps only to turn the ignition once. From there on, the electronic control module of the car (basically the computer) will keep cranking the car’s starter engine until it starts. If the vehicle does not start using this method, the ECM will turn off the starter engine after 10 seconds of cranking to prevent overheating.


Also read: What Does ‘Deleted’ Mean On A Truck?


Is Tip Start Useful?​


Whether or not Tip start is helpful entirely depends on personal opinion. It seems that most owners of trucks that have this feature have gotten used to Tip start. Because they’ve called used to it, their general response to the feature is positive, and it does take away the slight discomfort of cranking the car a few times.


However, there’s also the obvious here, and that’s the fact that cranking a car for a few seconds is not the biggest problem in the world. Therefore, a lot of people also see Tip start as a slightly useless feature.


So the question we have then is why Tip start was added to RAM trucks and Jeeps. The reason for this has to do with advancements in technology and features. Tip start was one of the first features that allowed these vehicles to start their car more easily.


Even though the function in its final form may seem a bit useless, the technology it uses did pave the way for other features. One of those is the widely used ‘remote start’ feature that many RAM trucks and Jeeps have nowadays. The ‘push button start’ is also a direct result of this technology. The Tip start function may therefore not look impressive. Still, it did allow these manufacturers to test new technology on a large scale to eventually create something that is seen as applicable to the masses.


Furthermore, it also serves an efficient function. That’s that the ignition of a car is an element that’s exposed to a lot of wear and tear. The force placed on this part when starting the vehicle makes it vulnerable to malfunctioning in the future. Tip start aims to alleviate some of this wear and tear to make the part last longer.


What Cars Have Tip Start?​


Tip start is a standard feature on 4th generation Dodge RAM’s produced between 2009 – 2018. Jeeps that were built within the same time period typically also have Tip start as a standard feature.


Both Dodge and Jeep have Tip start because they’re part of the same parent company. These days that company is called Stellantis (which was formed by merging Fiat-Chrysler and Groupe PSA). However, during the production of Tip start, both Dodge and Jeep were already part of Fiat-Chrysler, which is why they both have the feature since the technology was shared.


Also read: What Does SLE/SLT Mean On A Truck?


Does Tip Start Cost Extra?​


Tip start didn’t cost anything extra since it was a standard feature on 4th generation RAMs and Jeeps of the same time period. These days Tip start is not available as a standard feature and is normally replaced with remote start. If your truck or Jeep does not have a remote start, installing Tip start in the aftermarket is still possible. That will cost around $249 for both a Dodge RAM and a Jeep (source, source).


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Google is your Buddy.:anitoof:

Tip start is a feature found on some Dodge RAMs and Jeeps from 2009 onwards. It allows the driver to put the ignition in the ‘start’ position, from where the car’s electronic control module will keep cranking the starter engine until the car starts. In most modern days, RAM’s and Jeeps tip start has been replaced by remote start.


However, that doesn’t tell the whole story. Below we’ll dive deeper into how Tip start works. After that, we’ll talk about the sense and nonsense of Tip start. We’ll also discuss which cars have Tip start and how much the feature costs on these cars. Read on!


What's Inside show

How Does Tip Start Work?​


As said before, Tip start allows the owners of Dodge RAMs and Jeeps only to turn the ignition once. From there on, the electronic control module of the car (basically the computer) will keep cranking the car’s starter engine until it starts. If the vehicle does not start using this method, the ECM will turn off the starter engine after 10 seconds of cranking to prevent overheating.


Also read: What Does ‘Deleted’ Mean On A Truck?


Is Tip Start Useful?​


Whether or not Tip start is helpful entirely depends on personal opinion. It seems that most owners of trucks that have this feature have gotten used to Tip start. Because they’ve called used to it, their general response to the feature is positive, and it does take away the slight discomfort of cranking the car a few times.


However, there’s also the obvious here, and that’s the fact that cranking a car for a few seconds is not the biggest problem in the world. Therefore, a lot of people also see Tip start as a slightly useless feature.


So the question we have then is why Tip start was added to RAM trucks and Jeeps. The reason for this has to do with advancements in technology and features. Tip start was one of the first features that allowed these vehicles to start their car more easily.


Even though the function in its final form may seem a bit useless, the technology it uses did pave the way for other features. One of those is the widely used ‘remote start’ feature that many RAM trucks and Jeeps have nowadays. The ‘push button start’ is also a direct result of this technology. The Tip start function may therefore not look impressive. Still, it did allow these manufacturers to test new technology on a large scale to eventually create something that is seen as applicable to the masses.


Furthermore, it also serves an efficient function. That’s that the ignition of a car is an element that’s exposed to a lot of wear and tear. The force placed on this part when starting the vehicle makes it vulnerable to malfunctioning in the future. Tip start aims to alleviate some of this wear and tear to make the part last longer.


What Cars Have Tip Start?​


Tip start is a standard feature on 4th generation Dodge RAM’s produced between 2009 – 2018. Jeeps that were built within the same time period typically also have Tip start as a standard feature.


Both Dodge and Jeep have Tip start because they’re part of the same parent company. These days that company is called Stellantis (which was formed by merging Fiat-Chrysler and Groupe PSA). However, during the production of Tip start, both Dodge and Jeep were already part of Fiat-Chrysler, which is why they both have the feature since the technology was shared.


Also read: What Does SLE/SLT Mean On A Truck?


Does Tip Start Cost Extra?​


Tip start didn’t cost anything extra since it was a standard feature on 4th generation RAMs and Jeeps of the same time period. These days Tip start is not available as a standard feature and is normally replaced with remote start. If your truck or Jeep does not have a remote start, installing Tip start in the aftermarket is still possible. That will cost around $249 for both a Dodge RAM and a Jeep (source, source).


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Thanks! You might have not noticed that in post #9 I mentioned that I found it, but thank you for your help.
 
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I have never heard or read of this happening to any vehicle that does not have remote start. If it is a remote start activation it should shut off after running 15 minutes. It should also only remote start twice until it is started with the key again. Do the windshield wipers work when it is running like this?
The "build sheet" does not mention remote start. Somewhere in the back of my mind I seem to "think" that all vehicles are built with remote start but it is just not enabled. Similar to the VTSS from years ago, all had it but only some were enabled.
 

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Thanks! You might have not noticed that in post #9 I mentioned that I found it, but thank you for your help.
Saw that after I already posted. We were posting at the same time. All good.

As far as remote start being there but not enabled, will be interesting to see if that turns out to be the issue but that will be a new one for me. If it is remote start, the wipers should not work. Keeps them from breaking off if frozen to the window during remote start, or hitting someone cleaning the window.
 
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Saw that after I already posted. We were posting at the same time. All good.

As far as remote start being there but not enabled, will be interesting to see if that turns out to be the issue but that will be a new one for me. If it is remote start, the wipers should not work. Keeps them from breaking off if frozen to the window during remote start, or hitting someone cleaning the window.
I wonder if a dealer could find that with their scan tool? The last one that I used was DRB3 about 18 years or so back. The scan tool that I have isn't anywhere close to being able to pick up that kind of info.
 

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Alphaobd and an mx+ costs about 150 bucks and would tell you and with a 2017 you don't need a security cable to change stuff. Would be cheaper than even a fast visit to the dealer.
 

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Just a thought:

If your HOOD Latch is Wired
That is One Sign that you may have Remote Start
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IF anyone has thought about installing Remote Start on a Pre 2018 Ram

I am not any kind of Electricity Nerd
But you can read this from back in 2017

 
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