Service Experience at Firestone

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Kinda makes you wonder if it was a good idea to buy this truck

What year and mileage?
Not really. The SAD FACT is that a Firestone isn't the highest level of competence when it comes to diagnostics. The entire mindset is to enhance that Gawddamned monthly bottom line, NOT cater to the customer's actual needs. And WHY IN THE HELL don't ALL Firestones have a roadforce balancer?
I performed nearly 5 grand of work on a suburban about 12 years ago, including replacing the transmission with a genuine GM "SRTA" transmission, and rebuilt the front end, among other things.
He had a "lifetime" alignment with Firestone, so he took it there for said alignment to address the newly rebuilt front end.
What they did was nightmarish.... they tried to sell him 2 pages of maintenance; EVERY one of which had JUST BEEN DONE! Including a transmission service! REALLY!?
I'd recommend the OP find someone COMPETENT to address these issues.
 

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It is a pig in a poke sometimes buying a 10 year old used vehicle.
 

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I read the first 2 or 3 posts and had to stop.
WTH would you buy 4 tires for a truck that the dealer still owns.
That is on them to make it right and then sell it.

If it was private deal, I would walk away or need a couple K off the price.
4 tires just do not go bad all of a sudden.
I have not seen a Firestone shop in this part of the country for 20 -25 yrs.
 

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Had Firestone tires on cars in the 80's and on company cars in the 90's. They all seem like they are unbalanced no matter what they do to them. Kinda like having square tires.
 

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Road Force balancing is the absolute best way to go.............a completely different type of tire/wheel balancing machine...........

 
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I read the first 2 or 3 posts and had to stop.
WTH would you buy 4 tires for a truck that the dealer still owns.
That is on them to make it right and then sell it.

If it was private deal, I would walk away or need a couple K off the price.
4 tires just do not go bad all of a sudden.
I have not seen a Firestone shop in this part of the country for 20 -25 yrs.
The reason I did so was because I felt the price was especially attractive… there was plenty of room for me to put new tires on it. I told Firestone to install new tires because I’d made up my mind to buy it.

(and, as pointed out earlier…it is unknown how long the tires were defective…. no one has claimed they went bad “all of a sudden”. )
As I think about this…. in most cases whenever I’ve bought tires for one of my vehicles….I’ve usually driven them until the entire set were worn…. so I bought a complete set of 4. I don’t think that’s unusual.
Anyway, The truck needed new tires….I wanted the truck… )
 
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My only negative Firestone story was asking to see the 'defective oil filter casing', when told I needed a new one for a Toyota Sequoia, after I had previously asked if they had the 'specific adapter' required. The Service Manager returned with the cap in a ziplock from the trash, and noted the Stillson wrench marks made by the mechanic. He then volunteered to write it off the ticket.
 
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My only negative Firestone story was asking to see the 'defective oil filter casing', when told I needed a new one for a Toyota Sequoia, after I had previously asked if they had the 'specific adapter' required. The Service Manager returned with the cap in a ziplock from the trash, and noted the Stillson wrench marks made by the mechanic. He then volunteered to write it off the ticket.
Toyota usually makes good stuff but that oil filter assy they’ve designed is one of the WORST things in automotive history.
Made of plastic, it is subject to breakage even if the correct tool is used.
After the dealership cracked it, and it dumped the oil onto the driveway, I threw it in the trash and installed a metal replacement by Dorman.

Even the “pre-drain” feature is a messy design failure.

If ever there were an endorsement for spin-on oil filters….the plastic, Toyota filter assy is it.
 
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Toyota usually makes good stuff but that oil filter assy they’ve designed is one of the WORST things in automotive history.
Made of plastic, it is subject to breakage even if the correct tool is used.
After the dealership cracked it, and it dumped the oil onto the driveway, I threw it in the trash and installed a metal replacement by Dorman.
Even so, the “pre-drain” design is a messy failure also.

If ever there were an endorsement for spin-on oil filters….the plastic, Toyota filter assy is it.
I disagree. Plastic canister oil caps (on Toyotas) work just fine for a lot of miles. Clearly marked on those caps is a low limit of torque allowance for tightening. My wife's 11 year old 2014 Kia Sorento 3.3L has one of those plastic canister oil filter caps, as did her prior 2007 3.8L Sorento. The 2014 has 145,000 miles on it and the 2007 had 265,000 miles with the original plastic caps emblazoned with "Torque 35NM". This means that someone has failed to use the proper special tool AND failed to observe proper torque.
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't the answer. The endorsement is to get informed; that perhaps some folks are too lazy to do things correctly, and then blame the product instead of their own foibles.
 
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I disagree. Plastic canister oil caps (on Toyotas) work just fine for a lot of miles. Clearly marked on those caps is a low limit of torque allowance for tightening. My wife's 11 year old 2014 Kia Sorento 3.3L has one of those plastic canister oil filter caps, as did her prior 2007 3.8L Sorento. The 2014 has 145,000 miles on it and the 2007 had 265,000 miles with the original plastic caps emblazoned with "Torque 35NM". This means that someone has failed to use the proper special tool AND failed to observe proper torque.
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't the answer. The endorsement is to get informed; that perhaps some folks are too lazy to do things correctly, and then blame the product instead of their own foibles.
You are absolutely correct. Proper tools. Proper torque. Proper training.

Even so, this particular design requires care and tooling and STILL results in a messier filter-change than a simple, spin-on filter.

The advantage to a “replaceable-element” type filter is that it facilitates inspection of the filter-media for contaminants.

However, Quickie-Lube oil-change places and 99% of DIY owners don’t take advantage of that and simply toss it in the trash. Even the simplest maintenance operations requires pre-training…. and it was the DEALER “Technician” who cracked the wife’s Toyota filter-housing. (New-car sale came with several “free” oil changes. I’m guessing they gave the job to the lowest-level employee in the dealership).

She drove it 45 miles back home and pulled into the garage… when I saw the trail of oil being left behind. The quantity barely registered on the dipstick. It had dumped almost All of its oil on the way home.
(I made the dealer pay for a tow to bring it 45 miles back to them for the repair. I still had to drive her to town to retrieve it when they finished.)

It was THEN that I replaced it with a copy-cat, all-metal aftermarket assembly. I personally would prefer a spin-on.
 
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You are absolutely correct. Proper tools. Proper torque. Proper training.

Even so, this particular design requires care and tooling and STILL results in a messier filter-change than a simple, spin-on filter.

The advantage to a “replaceable-element” type filter is that it facilitates inspection of the filter-media for contaminants.

However, Quickie-Lube oil-change places and 99% of DIY owners don’t take advantage of that and simply toss it in the trash. Even the simplest maintenance operations requires pre-training…. and it was the DEALER “Technician” who cracked the wife’s Toyota filter-housing. (New-car sale came with several “free” oil changes. I’m guessing they gave the job to the lowest-level employee in the dealership).

She drove it 45 miles back home and pulled into the garage… when I saw the trail of oil being left behind. The quantity barely registered on the dipstick. It had dumped almost All of its oil on the way home.
(I made the dealer pay for a tow to bring it 45 miles back to them for the repair. I still had to drive her to town to retrieve it when they finished.)

It was THEN that I replaced it with a copy-cat, all-metal aftermarket assembly. I personally would prefer a spin-on.
Some people are dangerous with tools. Dealers are the LAST place to get service work done. And, you are correct that they delegate lube services to young, inexperienced kids who think that instruction is for dumb a$$es.
Furthermore, if the dealer were worth anything, they would have kissed you a$$ and given you an hour to gather a crowd. They would have sent the wrecker for your car with no prodding, AND they would have told you that they have an UBER account, and sent one to you so you could have gotten to your car with no cost to you.

We old fossils here are largely blind to the "new culture" of Stealerships. Gone are the days that their shop personnel are really thoroughly trained at a training facility... after all, it costs that almighty dollar to do so, and the dealer principal is only interested in his/her mansion on the waterfront and exotic sports vehicle.

I worked on a Promaster van this week which had been "fixed" by another of automotive's "finest". Yup, the brake switch went out and the customer couldn't get the shifter out of Park. This person who was supposedly "trained" had installed the switch incorrectly AND crammed a wadded up cigarette pack into the shifter lockout mechanism.
This customer could drive the vehicle, AND it still had no brake lights AND there were DTC's in the ABS, ECM, and BCM.... the check engine light, ABS light and ECS light were illuminated on the IC.

The "free" oil changes ARE NEVER FREE! They bury THAT cost into the paperwork at purchase. Moreover, being in the trade, I see and hear about the nightmares the untrained techs cause doing a simple oil change.

I'll just keep on doing the nerd thing and actually follow the instructions per manufacturer in terms of replacing the o-ring and adhering to the tightening spec on those plastic oil filter housing covers.
 

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Some people are dangerous with tools. Dealers are the LAST place to get service work done. And, you are correct that they delegate lube services to young, inexperienced kids who think that instruction is for dumb a$$es.
Furthermore, if the dealer were worth anything, they would have kissed you a$$ and given you an hour to gather a crowd. They would have sent the wrecker for your car with no prodding, AND they would have told you that they have an UBER account, and sent one to you so you could have gotten to your car with no cost to you.

I used to go to the RAM dealership for oil changes as they were cheaper than I could do it myself if I bought 4 at a time. I finally quit and returned to doing it myself when they put the wrong oil in and (while it was still in the bay) came out and asked me what I wanted to do about it? Well...drain it and put the correct oil in? Why are we having this conversation?

I went to a Chevy dealership *once*. I had recently purchased my Camaro and learned at the last minute it was too low for my ramps.

They cracked my air filter housing lid, passed my windshield wipers (I knew half the rubber was missing from one side, I'd just got the car and hadn't replaced them yet), and tried to convince me to pay them to diagnose the 'check engine' light that came on...because my air filter housing lid wasn't on correctly (which was what caused it to crack).
 
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After that experience I always did the oil changes on her car myself.

(Since it was HER car…and SHE chose it…. the first 6-oil changes were “free” at the dealership…45 MILES AWAY. I was out-of-town when she decided it needed it’s oil changed…so she made an independent decision that seemed to her to be a good one…. IE don’t bother the husband…make his life easier…take command and take it in to the dealer for that “free” first oil change.)

After this episode she and I had a discussion about the cost of taking it on a 90-mile round-trip for a “free” oil change…versus me doing it out here on the ranch. ;)
 

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