Those considering a GM truck

[DanAR]

Apparently they are having significant 6.2 L V8 issues and timely repair/replacement units in addition to the transmission problems.

GM's Broken 6.2L V8s Are Stranding Owners for Weeks as Replacement Engine Pipeline Dries Up

The situation has left dealers struggling to source new engines and owners with no clear repair timelines, and it's especially dire for people who need their trucks for work.

www.thedrive.com

 

[TruckNut]

I need to keep reading articles like this.......if nothing other than to remind myself that a lot of this newer tech is causing motors to implode. Even Honda's trusty V-6 is having bearing issues. Simpler and older is now better. Who'd have thought?

 

[turkeybird56]

Apparently they are having significant 6.2 L V8 issues and timely repair/replacement units in addition to the transmission problems.

GM's Broken 6.2L V8s Are Stranding Owners for Weeks as Replacement Engine Pipeline Dries Up

The situation has left dealers struggling to source new engines and owners with no clear repair timelines, and it's especially dire for people who need their trucks for work.

www.thedrive.com

It is both the 6.2 and 5.3's also. Big time lifter, cam, and they also have a Fuel Management/Fuel Module that is going out on so many of the vehicles. I saw one post, brand new Escalade (wateva the name of the Big Caddy SUV is), made it 3.5 miles before towed back to dealership.

Think Ford has the best 8 cylinder out there now, if only they would upgrade interior and fix the Tranny issues.

ADDED: If it wasn't for the tranny issues, there would be a F 150 out front. Not brand loyal, Operational Loyal. I only go 5 years between vehicles, but my 2019 built in Apr 2018 be 7 years old soon. But looks like it stay roosted out front, as any of the alternatives are way worse than what I have.

 

[Mlarv5]

It is both the 6.2 and 5.3's also. Big time lifter, cam, and they also have a Fuel Management/Fuel Module that is going out on so many of the vehicles. I saw one post, brand new Escalade (wateva the name of the Big Caddy SUV is), made it 3.5 miles before towed back to dealership.

Think Ford has the best 8 cylinder out there now, if only they would upgrade interior and fix the Tranny issues.

ADDED: If it wasn't for the tranny issues, there would be a F 150 out front. Not brand loyal, Operational Loyal. I only go 5 years between vehicles, but my 2019 built in Apr 2018 be 7 years old soon. But looks like it stay roosted out front, as any of the alternatives are way worse than what I have.

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I have had Fords F150's for years now. I have had the at least one of each of the engines. My 2015 with the 2.7 had 306K miles on it when I got rid of it, with no issues but the drivers seat cushion was wore out. I keep hearing about Tranny issues with them but knock on wood have never had any. I currently own a 2023 F150 Lariat with the 3.5EB (my wife drive it) 20K miles. I really don't think there are that many compared to number of F150's out there. I now own a Ford F150 and a Ram 1500. I like things about each of them and dislike things on each of them.

 

[nlambert182]

I have had Fords F150's for years now. I have had the at least one of each of the engines. My 2015 with the 2.7 had 306K miles on it when I got rid of it, with no issues but the drivers seat cushion was wore out. I keep hearing about Tranny issues with them but knock on wood have never had any. I currently own a 2023 F150 Lariat with the 3.5EB (my wife drive it) 20K miles. I really don't think there are that many compared to number of F150's out there. I now own a Ford F150 and a Ram 1500. I like things about each of them and dislike things on each of them.

All of the Ford engines I've owned have been trouble free, even the 3.5 EB (though it did have cam phasers and some other work done under warranty before we bought it). Most of the transmissions were really good until we got that 10 speed. Talk about a nightmare. We swore off the entire brand after that debacle.

 

[turkeybird56]

All of the Ford engines I've owned have been trouble free, even the 3.5 EB (though it did have cam phasers and some other work done under warranty before we bought it). Most of the transmissions were really good until we got that 10 speed. Talk about a nightmare. We swore off the entire brand after that debacle.

That's my issue. I can live with say a little less stuff in the cab, even ride a lil. But I need that motor doing well, which the 5.0 Coyote is pretty good. But the newly designed 10 speed POS trannys are junkola, with both GM and FORD, whom designed that POS having major problems, which is what keeps me away. We, wife's ride had a 2010 Ford F150 XLT with the 5.4 Triton. Bought new, when came out, was upgrade in late 2009. Truck was pretty good, with an AC issue at beginning that was addressed. ALL I put in the truck was a new idler tensioner, which I did. Sold truck with like 45K on it when wife passed to her younger son. As far as I know, still going strong in WI. It towed well and ran real well.

But alas, got my soon to be 7 YOA 2019 RAM (post #3), great driveway princess.

 

[turkeybird56]

All of the Ford engines I've owned have been trouble free, even the 3.5 EB (though it did have cam phasers and some other work done under warranty before we bought it). Most of the transmissions were really good until we got that 10 speed. Talk about a nightmare. We swore off the entire brand after that debacle.

YUPPERS, RAM does have it down pretty well with the Bosch HP 75 trans. Keeps me in the RAM at this junction.

GM puking V8 motors right now (also NHTSA lawsuit), and the 10 speed trans, argh, LOL. Ford trannys along with GM. Of course, could go inline 6 Cylinder, dual TB's on 25 RAM, ahhh, no TY. Stick with NA 5.7L motor.

 

[stevenP]

I know that 10 speed auto trans was co-developed by ford and GM several years ago. I have had two GM cars with that trans, but I didnt put that many miles on them to test their metal...but no issues.

 

[nlambert182]

Yes it was... and you can tell. I'd rather walk than own another one. Especially considering that we got really good at walking while it sat on a lift.

I've never been happier to write a $14k check to walk away from something in my life.

 

[TruckNut]

I've been truck shopping and reading up on brand problems and it seems now is not the time to change vehicles. All brands are having major issues. After my Honda Ridgeline debacle I bought a used 2020 Nissan Titan, which I have now driven 25,000 trouble free miles in two years. No auto start/stop or MDS. Enough tech to be useful but not intrusive and plenty capable to handle the towing chores I throw at it. Out of the 3 new brands driven, I preferred the RAM, but I'll wait until the software hiccups are sorted out.

 

[NCRaineman]

I've been truck shopping and reading up on brand problems and it seems now is not the time to change vehicles. All brands are having major issues. After my Honda Ridgeline debacle I bought a used 2020 Nissan Titan, which I have now driven 25,000 trouble free miles in two years. No auto start/stop or MDS. Enough tech to be useful but not intrusive and plenty capable to handle the towing chores I throw at it. Out of the 3 new brands driven, I preferred the RAM, but I'll wait until the software hiccups are sorted out.

We had a Titan for a number of years. Really nice truck. Got 150k miles out of it and the only unscheduled maintenance it needed was a starter replacement at 125k. I'd have considered another one, but that price... no way. Nissan's problem has always been that they cannot compete with the "big 3" on price.

 

[tidefan1967]

We had a Titan for a number of years. Really nice truck. Got 150k miles out of it and the only unscheduled maintenance it needed was a starter replacement at 125k. I'd have considered another one, but that price... no way. Nissan's problem has always been that they cannot compete with the "big 3" on price.

You got to admit though that changing that starter was a PITA. Crazy place for a starter.

 

[NCRaineman]

You got to admit though that changing that starter was a PITA. Crazy place for a starter.

Having to remove the intake manifold to get at it. Yes, another genius Japanese design.

 

[nlambert182]

Nissan has done some pretty good things by and large as long as we ignore the 5.0 Cummins.

Our Armada just rolled 67k miles and so far it's had an AC condenser replaced because a rock punctured it. Aside from that, it's got plenty of power, looks good, and drives really well. The powertrain is about as reliable as one could hope for. No MDS, no 40 speed transmission, etc...

However as some said, they still can't compete with the Big 3. As far as GM.... I still wouldn't touch one with a 10 ft pole because of the AFM issues and the 10-spd. It's like they took the worst 2 qualities from Ford and Ram, packaged them up and stuck them both into their platform.

 

[tidefan1967]

Nissan has done some pretty good things by and large as long as we ignore the 5.0 Cummins.

Our Armada just rolled 67k miles and so far it's had an AC condenser replaced because a rock punctured it. Aside from that, it's got plenty of power, looks good, and drives really well. The powertrain is about as reliable as one could hope for. No MDS, no 40 speed transmission, etc...

However as some said, they still can't compete with the Big 3. As far as GM.... I still wouldn't touch one with a 10 ft pole because of the AFM issues and the 10-spd. It's like they took the worst 2 qualities from Ford and Ram, packaged them up and stuck them both into their platform.

Yeah the 10R80 sucks compared to the ZF 8spd for sure, the F150 would have been perfect otherwise. I know Nissan discontinued the Titan, do they still make the Armada?

 

[2023RAM1500ds]

Apparently they are having significant 6.2 L V8 issues and timely repair/replacement units in addition to the transmission problems.

GM's Broken 6.2L V8s Are Stranding Owners for Weeks as Replacement Engine Pipeline Dries Up

The situation has left dealers struggling to source new engines and owners with no clear repair timelines, and it's especially dire for people who need their trucks for work.

www.thedrive.com

With scrapping the environmental crap... apparently they're working on getting rid of the fuel management tech... to make the trucks more reliable... wait a year or two until they build them the gold ol' way? xD

 

[crash68]

I saw one post, brand new Escalade (wateva the name of the Big Caddy SUV is), made it 3.5 miles before towed back to dealership.

There's ones that don't even make it off the line and then get shipped to alternate repair facilities for replacement motors before going to the dealership. The main culprit is the 6.2 L87 engine they're having issues with that has the NHTSA investigating.

 

[Docwagon1776]

With scrapping the environmental crap... apparently they're working on getting rid of the fuel management tech... to make the trucks more reliable... wait a year or two until they build them the gold ol' way? xD

Unless there's been a recent change to AFM, I doubt that's the problem.

My *guess*, and it's just a guess, is bad QC either at assembly or of a parts supplier. There's been reports of real loose tolerances in bearings since 2021-ish, which of course results in too low of an oil pressure to protect the crank and bearings and then, well, bad things happen.

I have some friends in the industry and they've universally said QC tolerances have loosened across the board. Even Toyota, who used to be really hard on suppliers, have lowered their standards just to have parts. I think we're seeing the result at GM right now.

 

[Burla]

Nissan has done some pretty good things by and large as long as we ignore the 5.0 Cummins.

Our Armada just rolled 67k miles and so far it's had an AC condenser replaced because a rock punctured it. Aside from that, it's got plenty of power, looks good, and drives really well. The powertrain is about as reliable as one could hope for. No MDS, no 40 speed transmission, etc...

However as some said, they still can't compete with the Big 3. As far as GM.... I still wouldn't touch one with a 10 ft pole because of the AFM issues and the 10-spd. It's like they took the worst 2 qualities from Ford and Ram, packaged them up and stuck them both into their platform.

I'm a fan of the frontier as someone needing a small truck, why you ask? They went from 2004 to 2020 before they did a redesign. Everyone else was goosing their compact trucks with all the garbage many of us hate, and they just kept spitting out that reliable drive train that was easy to work on. Nothing about the truck is "exceptional", but it is like the little train that could. I think I can, I think I can puff puff. When I was driving a rig the house car was a 2wd frontier, it was a straight legend of a support vehicle. We even have a boss buy it from the company, only to sell it back, it transferred from depot to depot, and simply never had an issue. A close friend had a 4x4 in that generation as well, dream to work on also lasted him near twenty years and recently died. If you like simple and good, these trucks fit the bill.

 

[turkeybird56]

There's ones that don't even make it off the line and then get shipped to alternate repair facilities for replacement motors before going to the dealership. The main culprit is the 6.2 L87 engine they're having issues with that has the NHTSA investigating.

Same with 5.3’s and dat funky fuel module that keeps going out.