Towing Specs for Different Trims

[Lovegolf44]

I found this link (attached PDF) under towing info on the Ram web site but it only lists specifications for the Tradesman, Bighorn and Lone Star trims. It's the 2019 spec sheet with all the information one needs for towing, etc., which I haven't been able to find anywhere else, at least not for the 2020 models. Any idea how one would interpret the numbers for other trims like Laramie, etc.? There must be a reason they only list the Tradesman/Bighorn/Lone Star specs. I found the payload/max towing number for the particular truck I ordered on the Ram site so I have those numbers.

I ordered a 3500 Laramie SRW with the I6 Cummins w/o HO and trying to figure out approx what the GCVWR is for the particular Truck I ordered since that rating comes from the factory. I understand you can't really calculate the GCVWR since the manufacturer determines that number so not sure what magic they use for that exact rating.

I thought the 2019 numbers would be a good estimate depending on the closest trim like the Laramie. Thoughts?

 

[Steve Karolek]

Bottom line, if you're ever stopped for an inspection or in an accident, the only meaningful numbers are the ones on the label inside your door. Does not matter if you have added air bags, beefed up suspension or moved to a higher load range tires. Sticker rules.

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[Lovegolf44]

Bottom line, if you're ever stopped for an inspection or in an accident, the only meaningful numbers are the ones on the label inside your door. Does not matter if you have added air bags, beefed up suspension or moved to a higher load range tires. Sticker rules.

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Agreed, I'm only looking at estimating until I receive the truck and get the actual numbers.

 

[zrojas]

Try this site: https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html

Toward the bottom, select look up my vehicle. If you have your VIN already, you can put that in. If not, you can look up by year and options. The result shows you max payload and max towing, so you can infer GCVWR.

Keep in mind that even when you enter your VIN, the available payload is still an estimation and the final payload capacity will be on a door sticker.

Hopefully that helps some.

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[Lovegolf44]

Try this site: https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html

Toward the bottom, select look up my vehicle. If you have your VIN already, you can put that in. If not, you can look up by year and options. The result shows you max payload and max towing, so you can infer GCVWR.

Keep in mind that even when you enter your VIN, the available payload is still an estimation and the final payload capacity will be on a door sticker.

Hopefully that helps some.

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Thx.

 

[392DevilDog]

GVWR and GCWR are the 2 standard numbers and have nothing to do with trim.

GVWR is based on 1500 or 2500 or 3500.

GCWR then considers Engine, Transmission and rear gear.

Payload and Max towing are specific to your particular truck.

Payload of course also being affected by what you add to and put in your truck.

Max towing only allows for 300lbs for driver and passenger and a set amount for hitching equipment.

The max tow number is extremely hard to meet...(in my situation I weigh 295 so I can only take my lunch with me)

So for your truck you list it as a 3500 with regular Cummins and a 3.73 single rear wheel but you didn't list 4x4 and cab bed size.

GVWR is 11800 and GCWR is 28300.

Assuming you have a 4x4 crew shortbed.

Those are the 2 concrete numbers.

You then find the base weight of your truck and load and haul accordingly

 

[Lovegolf44]

GVWR and GCWR are the 2 standard numbers and have nothing to do with trim.

GVWR is based on 1500 or 2500 or 3500.

GCWR then considers Engine, Transmission and rear gear.

Payload and Max towing are specific to your particular truck.

Payload of course also being affected by what you add to and put in your truck.

Max towing only allows for 300lbs for driver and passenger and a set amount for hitching equipment.

The max tow number is extremely hard to meet...(in my situation I weigh 295 so I can only take my lunch with me)

So for your truck you list it as a 3500 with regular Cummins and a 3.73 single rear wheel but you didn't list 4x4 and cab bed size.

GVWR is 11800 and GCWR is 28300.

Assuming you have a 4x4 crew shortbed.

Those are the 2 concrete numbers.

You then find the base weight of your truck and load and haul accordingly

Thanks DD. The cab is Crew, 4x2, 8' bed. I didn't realize GVWR and GCWR are the same regardless of trim. That explains why the Tradesman trim is only listed for the 4X2 drive train in the spec sheet I attached earlier.

 

[392DevilDog]

Thanks DD. The cab is Crew, 4x2, 8' bed. I didn't realize GVWR and GCWR are the same regardless of trim. That explains why the Tradesman trim is only listed for the 4X2 drive train in the spec sheet I attached earlier.

Sorry I assumed wrong. Awesome truck you got coming.

So yes, your GVWR is listed in the chart as well as your GCWR.

The best way to do this of course is with a CAT scale. Weigh your truck your self.

But, you can get ball park by taking your payload from GVWR to get base weight. If you have a VIN and use the webpage listed above...it will be real close. Pay no attention to max towing at all. Unless you are only loading the truck to 300lbs and the hitch...you will not achieve that.

So GVWR minus Payload= base weight.

GCWR minus base weight minus 300lbs minus hitch minus tongue weight gives you Max tow.(but like said, the number is pretty useless as most trailers will have more than 10% tongue weight when loaded.

Anything else I can help with let me know.

Can not wait to hear how you like the truck and its towing prowess

 

[Lovegolf44]

Sorry I assumed wrong. Awesome truck you got coming.

So yes, your GVWR is listed in the chart as well as your GCWR.

The best way to do this of course is with a CAT scale. Weigh your truck your self.

But, you can get ball park by taking your payload from GVWR to get base weight. If you have a VIN and use the webpage listed above...it will be real close. Pay no attention to max towing at all. Unless you are only loading the truck to 300lbs and the hitch...you will not achieve that.

So GVWR minus Payload= base weight.

GCWR minus base weight minus 300lbs minus hitch minus tongue weight gives you Max tow.(but like said, the number is pretty useless as most trailers will have more than 10% tongue weight when loaded.

Anything else I can help with let me know.

Can not wait to hear how you like the truck and its towing prowess

Thx, appreciate your input!

 

[Ricky Herring]

so my 2019 ram 2500 big horn 6.4 bed crew cab cummins 3.73 axle 4x2 says.
GAWR FRONT 5500 LB
GAWR REAR 6040 LB
GVWR 10000 LB
COMBINED WEIGHT OF OCCUPANTS AND CARGO NEVER EXCEED 2631 LB
SO 10000 MINUS 2631 IS 7369 MINUS 300 MINUS HITCH...SO i CAN TOW ROUGHLY 7000lb?
That does not seem right

 

[392DevilDog]

so my 2019 ram 2500 4x2 says.
GAWR FRONT 5500 LB
GAWR REAR 6040 LB
GVWR 10000 LB
COMBINED WEIGHT OF OCCUPANTS AND CARGO NEVER EXCEED 2631 LB
SO 10000 MINUS 2631 IS 7369 MINUS 300 MINUS HITCH...SO i CAN TOW ROUGHLY 7000lb?
That does not seem right

It is not right. You were right...right up until minus 300.

Once you get your base weight which you did...you then change to GCWR.

So I see you have a Cummins so I will guess your GCWR is 27000.

27000 minus 300 minus hitch minus 10% tongue minus 7369(base weight) gives max towing...as stated...pretty hard to achieve.

So 27000 minus base weight gives you 19631 for trailer, driver, passenger/cargo hitch and tongue weight.

That simplifies it. Your truck is then able to haul/tow to a max of 19631...but that isn't the max trailer...that is the max allowed for cargo, trailer, passengers and hitch.

Make sense? Let me know.

 

[star_deceiver]

That does not seem right

Yes, you are wrong.

 

[392DevilDog]

Let's do this.

Truck is just a 2500 using numbers available.


So I got a truck. 2500.

GVWR is 10k payload is 3k

The truck weighs 7000lbs.

GCWR is 21500

My truck can be haul and tow a combined weight of 14500.

Say I added nothing to the truck so the 7000 stays the same.

If I load the truck to 10k...I can tow nothing.

If I(300) only get in the truck with the hitch (90lbs) I can tow a trailer of 14100...but have to know tongue weight...which will be 1410. For this math problem.

So, 300+90+1410 is 1800lbs...which means I am under GVWR.

1800 from 14100 is 12300. But the tongue will be less...so I can add that back in.

If you add another passenger...trailer comes down.

If you haul wood...trailer comes down.

Whatever you haul including tongue weight has to be under payload.

So. A 12000 lb GVWR trailer...note:not unlaiden weight...is safe. Sure you can go more...but that is safe.

Make sense? Let me know

 

[Ricky Herring]

Thanks alot! I love the great info you guys and gals provide! now i will sit back read and learn a little more. thanks again

 

[Lovegolf44]

Sorry I assumed wrong. Awesome truck you got coming.

So yes, your GVWR is listed in the chart as well as your GCWR.

The best way to do this of course is with a CAT scale. Weigh your truck your self.

But, you can get ball park by taking your payload from GVWR to get base weight. If you have a VIN and use the webpage listed above...it will be real close. Pay no attention to max towing at all. Unless you are only loading the truck to 300lbs and the hitch...you will not achieve that.

So GVWR minus Payload= base weight.

GCWR minus base weight minus 300lbs minus hitch minus tongue weight gives you Max tow.(but like said, the number is pretty useless as most trailers will have more than 10% tongue weight when loaded.

Anything else I can help with let me know.

Can not wait to hear how you like the truck and its towing prowess

Just to add to this, the RAM site says payload for my particular 2020 configuration is 6080 lbs but the attached 2019 chart shows payload at 4620 giving a base wt of 7385 lbs. That's a huge difference considering most of the other weights listed on the 2019 chart are pretty accurate. If I use the 2020 RAM site payload figure, my base wt is 5920 lbs. Does that sound right? Seems pretty low.

 

[392DevilDog]

It seems to me...the configuration which states 6080 is using a default to the Hemi . And a dually.

Your Cummins will probably have a base weight about 7450

So, @Lovegolf44 do you have this truck or is it ordered and waiting for arrival? Do you have the VIN?

You said a 4x2 Cummins 3500 Crew 8 foot bed SRW.

Just making sure we are researching the right truck.

 

[392DevilDog]

The configurator is showing a dually, the chart weight will be close...add in the Laramie trim. I bet you will be at about 7500

 

[Lovegolf44]

The configurator is showing a dually, the chart weight will be close...add in the Laramie trim. I bet you will be at about 7500

I used the "LOOK UP MY VEHICLE" tool w/o VIN under the Towing and Payload capacity on the main site. Try it using my info in my signature and see what you get. It allows you to put in the engine/tranny type so it took the cummins into account.

 

[Lovegolf44]

I used the "LOOK UP MY VEHICLE" tool w/o VIN under the Towing and Payload capacity on the main site. Try it using my info in my signature and see what you get. It allows you to put in the engine/tranny type so it took the cummins into account.

There's no way the payload on my pending 3500 can be upwards of around 5-6k lbs as the site suggests. My guess when I finally get a VIN I can enter, payload will be around 4k if I'm lucky given the packages/options. That'll make the curb weight around 7-8k.

 

[Steve Karolek]

I should see my truck in the next 2-3 days. Will be interesting to compare this to the sticker. Note the picture they used does not accurately reflect my ordered DRW...


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