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Found a nice power mod for ya trailmaker. Nice procharger making close to 600 hp on 6 psi of boost if you want to void all warranties lol. Sure does look amazing wont lie I want one. They even make one specific to Power Wagons were the intercooler doesn't interfere with the winch. You can see the intercooler through the grill in this pic below on a Power Wagon.
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By removing only the cats, you will not feel any increase in power. Is an EGR delete even a thing on gas engines? I've only heard of it being done on diesel engines. To feel any increase in power, long tube headers and a tune would be the minimum. I say you be hard pressed to get an extra 100 HP out of this engine with out doing some major work to it.

If your just looking for better acceleration, you might consider a re-gear.

I agree with all of the above. Really doubt you are going to increase the power anywhere close to 100 HP on these engines with basic bolt-ons (headers, cai, tune). One thing that can be misleading on some these posts is people claiming they got XX amount of horsepower from one modification, such as long tube headers, but fail to mention they also installed a tune at the same time. They will say the dyno shows a 40 HP increase in power, but if you look at others posts people are claiming you can get 30 HP out of just a tune itself.
 

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Found a nice power mod for ya trailmaker. Nice procharger making close to 600 hp on 6 psi of boost if you want to void all warranties lol. Sure does look amazing wont lie I want one. They even make one specific to Power Wagons were the intercooler doesn't interfere with the winch. You can see the intercooler through the grill in this pic below on a Power Wagon.

I put a supercharger on my 1997 302 Ford Explorer. Man what a blast. Eventually the transmission died, but it did take a few years. Wonder if the procharger will work if you have the dual alternators? Sucks you have to unlock the PCM.
 

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I put a supercharger on my 1997 302 Ford Explorer. Man what a blast. Eventually the transmission died, but it did take a few years. Wonder if the procharger will work if you have the dual alternators? Sucks you have to unlock the PCM.
I have no idea I dont even know were the extra alternator sits. I am assuming next to each other? If it doesn't interfere with the bracket and procharger i would assume your good if not procharger definitely has the answers. But transmissions I am sure this would kill it in time. The transmission the 66rfe is a decent trans it uses some parts of the diesel version the 68rfe. But the diesel guys have had there issues with them so alot of extra power and one may find out just how much it can take. If it was me the transmission would be the first thing I worry about going boom.
 
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Found a nice power mod for ya trailmaker. Nice procharger making close to 600 hp on 6 psi of boost if you want to void all warranties lol. Sure does look amazing wont lie I want one. They even make one specific to Power Wagons were the intercooler doesn't interfere with the winch. You can see the intercooler through the grill in this pic below on a Power Wagon.
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nice find. I'm entertaining this already as I have been following this thread https://www.ramforum.com/threads/supercharged.155410/#post-2208636

I’m 100 percent on board for Trailmaker putting a Whipple Supercharger on his PW!

ha ha yes. the Hellcat and Demon share the same transmission so I should be able to handle up to 800 hp. I was just looking to peak 500 though
 

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nice find. I'm entertaining this already as I have been following this thread https://www.ramforum.com/threads/supercharged.155410/#post-2208636



ha ha yes. the Hellcat and Demon share the same transmission so I should be able to handle up to 800 hp. I was just looking to peak 500 though
I definitely would feel better about it with the ZF you have in your 2019 vs my 2018 66rfe. Hell one day when I get close to my warranty being over I may procharge mine especially when its paid off.
 

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nice find. I'm entertaining this already as I have been following this thread https://www.ramforum.com/threads/supercharged.155410/#post-2208636



ha ha yes. the Hellcat and Demon share the same transmission so I should be able to handle up to 800 hp. I was just looking to peak 500 though
I meant to tell you transmissions are rated for torque not hp and believe it or not your transmission isn't the same as the hellcat. Yes it's a ZF transmission but yours is the 8HP75 not the hellcat 8HP90. The hellcat transmission is rated for way more torque raughly 737 lb-ft. You have to convert NM to FT LB. So yours the 8HP75 has 750 NM coverted to 553 lb-ft of torque which is still plenty. I will post a chart below of your trans highlighted. Now mine is a 2018 so I have the 66RFE. So converted the first number stands for the number of forward gears 6 and the second 6 means 600 lb-ft of torque and the rest is RFE Rear wheel Drive Fully Electronic. I am actually shocked the RFE has a slight edge on the ZF transmission in the torque department but not by much. If anything is going to break things when adding power it's going to be torque more so than horsepower.
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I meant to tell you transmissions are rated for torque not hp and believe it or not your transmission isn't the same as the hellcat. Yes it's a ZF transmission but yours is the 8HP75 not the hellcat 8HP90. The hellcat transmission is rated for way more torque raughly 737 lb-ft. You have to convert NM to FT LB. So yours the 8HP75 has 750 NM coverted to 553 lb-ft of torque which is still plenty. I will post a chart below of your trans highlighted. Now mine is a 2018 so I have the 66RFE. So converted the first number stands for the number of forward gears 6 and the second 6 means 600 lb-ft of torque and the rest is RFE Rear wheel Drive Fully Electronic. I am actually shocked the RFE has a slight edge on the ZF transmission in the torque department but not by much. If anything is going to break things when adding power it's going to be torque more so than horsepower.
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oh yeah I see what you are saying. thanks for the chart. I know the Hellcat is not offered in AWD so I was bummed and stopped drooling over it so much and frankly I did not research its drive train but clearly I was wrong in the assumption that the ZF was only built with one model and used on multiple platforms.
 

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oh yeah I see what you are saying. thanks for the chart. I know the Hellcat is not offered in AWD so I was bummed and stopped drooling over it so much and frankly I did not research its drive train but clearly I was wrong in the assumption that the ZF was only built with one model and used on multiple platforms.
At first I was thinking the ZF in the truck could handle a ton like the one in the hellcat not saying the ZF cant handle alot or isn't durable. I didn't realize it wasnt a 8HP90. But it makes sense they also use the 8HP90 in some Bentleys so I imagine its cost is crazy to put into every truck. I am sure ZF saves a ton of money by being able to switch the internals per whatever application they want to use it for. Still a ZF transmission is solid and very reliable from what I hear.
 
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More variables than just the power that affects how the transmission will hold up. The fact that a PW weighs close to double that of the cars will make a difference.
Yeah no doubt. But... could the drive lines and axles handle the 800 hp if 4wd was engaged?? What the heck is the Diesel guys using. Those trucks boast of 1000 lb numbers (not sure it it is torque at the crank or to the wheels)
 

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Yeah no doubt. But... could the drive lines and axles handle the 800 hp if 4wd was engaged?? What the heck is the Diesel guys using. Those trucks boast of 1000 lb numbers (not sure it it is torque at the crank or to the wheels)
When they are using the High Output cummins which is the one that is a 1,000 they now put in the Aisin transmission with 3500's. If it's a 2500 without the high output they still use the 68RFE. The Aisin transmission is a Japanese transmission that is a beast. The 68RFE is an in house transmission for Ram. The 66RFE I have uses some parts from its diesel counterpart. I believe you can only get the Aisin in the 3500 now with that cummins or may have always been that way. Gotta have a beast of a transmission to handle that torque.
 

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I would have to think a trans in a 400hp/8000 pound rig would get more abuse than a setup with a 700hp/4000 pound rig... no?

Why the hell wouldn't they put the most hd trans they could in the truck?
 

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When they are using the High Output cummins which is the one that is a 1,000 they now put in the Aisin transmission with 3500's. If it's a 2500 without the high output they still use the 68RFE. The Aisin transmission is a Japanese transmission that is a beast. The 68RFE is an in house transmission for Ram. The 66RFE I have uses some parts from its diesel counterpart. I believe you can only get the Aisin in the 3500 now with that cummins or may have always been that way. Gotta have a beast of a transmission to handle that torque.
You’re right. Aisin has always been in 3500. I walked away in 2013(may have been 2014) from a new Ram because the salesman told me the 2500 I was looking at had an Aisin. I always verify what they are saying and discovered that only the 3500/4500/5500 had them. That was too big of a mistake(benefit of the doubt but probably just lying) for me to give them business.
 

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I would have to think a trans in a 400hp/8000 pound rig would get more abuse than a setup with a 700hp/4000 pound rig... no?

Why the hell wouldn't they put the most hd trans they could in the truck?
All about cost. I remember the Aisin used to be an option that obviously costed more and has the PTO function the 68RFE doesn't have. Probably saves them money still being able to put there in house transmission into the 2500 diesel instead of putting the Aisin into everything which is Japanese manufactured. The Aisin only is mated to the HO cummins not the regular cummins. But I agree its stupid keep one beast of a transmission for all of the diesels especially one that durable.
 
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All about cost. I remember the Aisin used to be an option that obviously costed more and has the PTO function the 68RFE doesn't have. Probably saves them money still being able to put there in house transmission into the 2500 diesel instead of putting the Aisin into everything which is Japanese manufactured. The Aisin only is mated to the HO cummins not the regular cummins. But I agree its stupid keep one beast of a transmission for all of the diesels especially one that durable.


Sure. I understand the cost aspect of it.

It just seems to me that they would put a stouter trans in a fullsize truck than a little car, regardless of the size of motor. But wth do I know. Im certainly no engineer.
 
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Since you're in Texas, here's the Federal laws regarding the tampering or removal of emission equipment regardless of not having emissions in your county. You won't be able to resale it ever legally in Texas without the emissions installed, but if you ever tried to sale it without the emissions you might just have to pay up to a $25,000 fine for tampering and removal, plus you still will have to reinstall the emission equipment. I don't have emissions in my county either.

https://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality/mobilesource/vetech/tampering.html
I finally read this link. It looks like I won’t be “tampering with the Emissions system” apparently I live in a stricter state then I realize. But the thread was fun anyways.
 

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Bummer.

My California purchased boat's stock 1978 Mercruiser 898 has a GM 305 V8 2 barrel without any emissions other than two valve cover rubber breather hoses attached to the side of the flame arrestor. Spent the majority of its life at Big Bear Lake. There's no PVC valve. HP is 198. With a 4 barrel it would be 228 HP which is nearly the same as my 1998's Chevrolet K1500 FI 305 with 230 HP. The last production years of the Mercruiser 305 V8's put out 260 HP which is more than enough for an 18 foot boat. With emissions though a car/pickup 1978 305 V8 2 barrel was 135 HP, a 350 V8 2 barrel was 145, and the 4 barrel was 170. Thank goodness my boat didn't require any emissions at the time. 200 HP is recommended out here on our high altitude lakes for safe boating to beat afternoon storms and with nearly that, it does the maximum legal 40 MPH lake speeds with ease. With emissions and just 135 HP I would have given up on owning it decades ago.
 
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