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I'm sure it has been said but for my preference based on experience of towing very heavy, I will take a DRW any day over a SRW that will be used for towing often.

I plan to one day buy another 5th wheel and tow pig... but it will not be a daily, but still be 4x4 on 35's.... we had a 05 on the farm that I built that ran stock height rear with a level kit from carli and ran 35" tires rated for the weight..... with the experience of that truck I will model another after it just from how well it pulled.. was much more stable than even the stock DRW set up. we also had a spread kit on the rear, but when I do it again I will run a 20" DRW wheel with no spacer.

That's just a little from my experience, which by no means is fact or the "way" to do things.

Oh and that's a nice trailer. Have you thought of also looking into the 4500/5500 class Chassi and just having a custom Tow bed put on it?

Something along these lines http://www.westernhauler.com/dodge.html



I've looked at the 4500 and 5500, problem is I would use the truck bed when not towing, and I need something I can drive daily at least for a few years.


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I've looked at the 4500 and 5500, problem is I would use the truck bed when not towing, and I need something I can drive daily at least for a few years.


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Makes sense, that's why my truck got used alot on the farm vs the 05 farm truck that we put a flat bed on.... flatbeds are great but hard for daily life type uses.
 
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Makes sense, that's why my truck got used alot on the farm vs the 05 farm truck that we put a flat bed on.... flatbeds are great but hard for daily life type uses.



Now if I could get a crew cab 4500 with an 8 ft bed.....and 4.88 gears HELLO!!!!


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I think you can.... might be expensive but I have seen some pretty nice 4500/5500 chassis trucks with 8' beds..... I just assumed they were available not custom made

Just looked, can't get 4:88's with the cummins... lame then the think glitched out on me so I gave up
 
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I surprised no one has suggested an International CXT... it only has a 10K payload and a 40K tow rating...yes it has an 8' pick up bed. I'd go with the DT466 engine over the VT365
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My GOD thats brilliant, does it have a CAT motor????
 
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I surprised no one has suggested an International CXT... it only has a 10K payload and a 40K tow rating...yes it has an 8' pick up bed. I'd go with the DT466 engine over the VT365
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I'm more of an MXT fan myself! LoL

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My GOD thats brilliant, does it have a CAT motor????
CAT on-highway engines are the International MaxxForce engines 11/13 with the Cummins SCR system
 

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Alright so the wife and I are considering full timing , and are looking at large 5 slide 3 axle fifth wheels.

Currently own 1500 QC 4x4. And have a 6800lb travel trailer.

I will have to use the truck as a daily driver till things get paid off, so that's my question for all of you HD guys. I know payload on the DRW is a little better than SRW but all the trailer I'm looking at only have a pin weight of 2800 max.

What would you suggest and why? Thanks!


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I haul horse large horse trailers with a DRW Ram 3500 4x4. I have owned 2, a '99 I bought new and ran for around 260,000 miles until a family member totaled it, and a '14 I replaced it with. I have around 71,000 on the '14. You can a deal on a lightly used one. I live in the north east, no one sticks DRW trucks in the north east, but took a trip to the south to find a huge choice of trucks. My requirements were, diesel/DRW/crew/8'/HD/4x4. I found one dealer with 285 that met that requirement on his lot, new. I ended up finding a 2014 in 2014 that was used, but was in my opinion a bargain. A Laramie that was well loaded, clean CarFax, with some mileage (28k miles) set up for hauling all I had to do was get in and drive. Around $29,000 below original MSRP. A $67,000+ MSRP I picked up for $38,000.


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This is an example of what we are looking at.

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Nice unit, very nice. Got kids I see.

So the shipping weight is 14K and the trailer has the capacity to carry 2,500 pounds of your personal/camping items (food, clothes, etc.), that gives you a trailer gross weight of 16,500 pounds. To give you a safety margin, use the rule of 25% of the gross trailer weight to calculate the pin weight. Your pin weight should be figured for 4,000 pounds, most likely it will be less but not by much.

The 16,500 pounds of gross trailer weight puts you at the edge of an SRW abilities and the pin load also pushes the payload of an SRW depending on how it is equipped. I think you are in the dually territory.
 

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I have a friend who has a 3500 dually laramie longhorn and he loves how smooth the drive is compared to a srw and from what he said is that he likes the higher trim because "its so comfortable for long trips"

The leather seating in the Longhorn and Limited trims is definitely a step above any seating I've seen in most vehicles and drastically adds to the seating comfort. I can easily drive several hours and not become uncomfortable while pulling.

The dually is a different beast and has a different ride loaded or unloaded. The feature that adds the best-loaded ride is the factory rear air leveling suspension system, this option is available on both the SRW and the dualies.
 
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@BossHogg thanks for all the input. I definitely think we are going Dually, found some used ones with 71k miles up to 109k miles. 2014's.

Anything I should look out for?

Also, does anyone have their 6.7 deleted/DPF removed? Issues with that?


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While that would be a kicka$$ tow beast, it would beat him to death as a daily driver.

He should find a 3500 dually with the factory rear air bag suspension option. The only penalty then would be finding Texas sized parking spots.
 
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Good decision. I just don't think a SRW would have enough rear axle rating for the 4000 lbs pin and a family. It might be a little more annoying to drive daily, but it will be a MUCH better truck for towing. Good luck on truck searching!!!
 
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While that would be a kicka$$ tow beast, it would beat him to death as a daily driver.

He should find a 3500 dually with the factory rear air bag suspension option. The only penalty then would be finding Texas sized parking spots.



Good thing I'm in Texas right now! LoL


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Thanks everyone for the no ******** straight up responses, and the experience.


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@BossHogg thanks for all the input. I definitely think we are going Dually, found some used ones with 71k miles up to 109k miles. 2014's.

Anything I should look out for?

Also, does anyone have their 6.7 deleted/DPF removed? Issues with that?

As with anything used, if it was maintained correctly it should be fine. Reoccurring issues I've read about are water pump failures (assuming you are after a Cummins powered truck and related to 2013 and 2014 production) and transmission issues (68RFE only, no issues with the Aisin) if it was overly lugged in sixth gear while towing heavy. I have a 2015 and zero issues except for the current SCR recall.

As far as emission issues, first, these newer Cummins trucks (2013+) are tuned for performance, except for an EGR (greatly reduced usage) all emissions are handled downstream in the exhaust system with a DPF and SCR system. There is a real mess going on, RAM and Cummins suing each other over the costs of a recall and a class action by RAM owners trying to get RAM and Cummins to provide a solution. You can read more about that SNAFU at; Ram Diesel Owners Suing FCA, Cummins Over Inflated Fuel Economy | Off-Road.com Blog

My thoughts on deleting, not until I have an emission issue that will cost more to fix than to delete. Deleting doesn't do anything for engine performance since emissions are handled downstream in the exhaust system. Think about the human health issues NOX creates (turns to acid in our lungs). I have grandkids and I don't want them or anyone else breathing my NOX, leaving my emissions system intact keeps NOX out of their lungs. Take a read through this thread; http://www.ramforum.com/f158/another_upgrade_ctd-106869/

There are several options for tuning without deleting (Google EFI Live), EGR only deletes, and of course full delete tuning. My facet is, with 800 pounds of torque in my truck, and how well it pulls my RV I have zero need to increase engine power. And when you do increase power, you will quickly find the weakest link in the drive line. A full delete, tune, and transmission bullet-proofing are going to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $7,000 for a 68RFE truck, there doesn't seem to be any tuning available for the Aisin transmission so figure around $3,000 for a truck with the Aisin transmission.

One last thing, when looking at used, particularly 3500 dualies you will want to know what transmission the truck has. It is easy to tell, open the hood and locate the transmission dipstick. The Aisin's dipsticks are on the driver side and the 68RFE's are on the passenger side. The Aisin tranny can pass more torque and has de-fueled shifts, it is a way to tell if the Cummins has the higher output calibrations (Aisin equipped). Depending on the model year, the option to buy the Aisin was around $2,600 but this option doesn't increase the used value of the truck, I would opt for the Aisin in used but I would never lay out $2,600 for new unless I had to pull 20K pounds or more.

One last piece of advice, these late model diesel pickups are holding their values. Before signing on a used truck, check the pricing on a new one at volume dealers like Dennis Dillon (http://www.dennisdillonchryslerjeepdodge.com/all-inventory/ram-caldwell-id.htm), I've read where many folks bought for about the same price or a little more over a used one. Dillon offers a free shuttle service from the airport to their dealership. I almost went that route and at the last minute, a local dealer called and said he would price match Dillon.
 
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As with anything used, if it was maintained correctly it should be fine. Reoccurring issues I've read about are water pump failures (assuming you are after a Cummins powered truck and related to 2013 and 2014 production) and transmission issues (68RFE only, no issues with the Aisin) if it was overly lugged in sixth gear while towing heavy. I have a 2015 and zero issues except for the current SCR recall.

As far as emission issues, first, these newer Cummins trucks (2013+) are tuned for performance, except for an EGR (greatly reduced usage) all emissions are handled downstream in the exhaust system with a DPF and SCR system. There is a real mess going on, RAM and Cummins suing each other over the costs of a recall and a class action by RAM owners trying to get RAM and Cummins to provide a solution. You can read more about that SNAFU at; Ram Diesel Owners Suing FCA, Cummins Over Inflated Fuel Economy | Off-Road.com Blog

My thoughts on deleting, not until I have an emission issue that will cost more to fix than to delete. Deleting doesn't do anything for engine performance since emissions are handled downstream in the exhaust system. Think about the human health issues NOX creates (turns to acid in our lungs). I have grandkids and I don't want them or anyone else breathing my NOX, leaving my emissions system intact keeps NOX out of their lungs. Take a read through this thread; http://www.ramforum.com/f158/another_upgrade_ctd-106869/

There are several options for tuning without deleting (Google EFI Live), EGR only deletes, and of course full delete tuning. My facet is, with 800 pounds of torque in my truck, and how well it pulls my RV I have zero need to increase engine power. And when you do increase power, you will quickly find the weakest link in the drive line. A full delete, tune, and transmission bullet-proofing are going to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $7,000 for a 68RFE truck, there doesn't seem to be any tuning available for the Aisin transmission so figure around $3,000 for a truck with the Aisin transmission.

One last thing, when looking at used, particularly 3500 dualies you will want to know what transmission the truck has. It is easy to tell, open the hood and locate the transmission dipstick. The Aisin's dipsticks are on the driver side and the 68RFE's are on the passenger side. The Aisin tranny can pass more torque and has de-fueled shifts, it is a way to tell if the Cummins has the higher output calibrations (Aisin equipped). Depending on the model year, the option to buy the Aisin was around $2,600 but this option doesn't increase the used value of the truck, I would opt for the Aisin in used but I would never lay out $2,600 for new unless I had to pull 20K pounds or more.

One last piece of advice, these late model diesel pickups are holding their values. Before signing on a used truck, check the pricing on a new one at volume dealers like Dennis Dillon (http://www.dennisdillonchryslerjeepdodge.com/all-inventory/ram-caldwell-id.htm), I've read where many folks bought for about the same price or a little more over a used one. Dillon offers a free shuttle service from the airport to their dealership. I almost went that route and at the last minute, a local dealer called and said he would price match Dillon.



BossHogg thank you, I was really only thinking EGR delete and let the DPF do its thing. But that makes more sense.

Can you believe Dennis Dillon only has one Dually?!?!!


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