When to do first oil change on new truck and which oil to use.

[Burla]

No FCA says use **** thin 20 weight because of mds, not bearing clearances. And 2500 hemi's get 30 or even 40 weight oil.

The real reason, they have to play ball with the gov't, read the link, damn. If they don't play with Obama's balls, they get fined. Not hype, it is the dead honest truth even though many don't want to hear it. Just because you may not want to hear it, doesn't mean it's false.

CAFE and what the gov't will do to them is the only reason for 20 weight end of story.

 

[Hipps2000]

I’m not in denial, I just don’t know who to believe and I certainly don’t want to learn anything the hard way.


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I can respect that. I felt the same way about adding headers...upgrading my oil, and many more.

Read and study and go with your gut is all you can do...just know that Ram is in business to sell vechicles and the dealers are there because they have to follow guidelines set by OEM and OEM has to follow the government mandates. I wouldn’t do anything to my vechicle that would jeopardize its performance. My truck runs great and I also have a great relationship with my dealership. I also have a 7/70000 warranty.

 

[69GWC]

I read through a ton of the 15k posts. It's mostly "I think" or "I feel" and less here is uoa over tons of engines using various weights, with the usage of that engine. The data there isn't helpful.

There are instances where going with a heavier weight may be beneficial. However without some sort of consistent information it's not getting anywhere toward proving either of us right.

Oil weight change can be down to a change in bearing clearance specs changing. A heavier oil required for a larger space thinner for tighter tolerances. Without any an information available to me anyones opinion including mine is worthless.

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And my comment later in this post in case you missed it.

Really when it comes down to it its more opinions as nobody has 10 of the same motors with 5 running 5w20 and 5 running 5w30 of the same oil under the same conditions.

I run the oil I run because of the additive package and run the weight I do because I feel its better for the motor I have never bought 20w and never had a problem with 30w or 40w oils.
I also feel they are suggesting 5w20 to meet CAFE standards for fuel mileage and no other reason.

None of the guys running 30w or heavier are having any weird oil pressure readings or oil temp differences.

When it comes down to it either oil would probably take your motor through the life of your truck.
Only one thing worries me about the thinner oil and thats the cam/lifter problems that some guys have ran into.

Thats my 2 cents.

 

[corneileous]

No FCA says use **** thin 20 weight because of mds, not bearing clearances. And 2500 hemi's get 30 or even 40 weight oil.

The real reason, they have to play ball with the gov't, read the link, damn. If they don't play with Obama's balls, they get fined. Not hype, it is the dead honest truth even though many don't want to hear it. Just because you may not want to hear it, doesn't mean it's false.

CAFE and what the gov't will do to them is the only reason for 20 weight end of story.

Alright fine, assuming you’re right, how do I rest assured I won’t have a problem running a heavier oil?

I guess the other thing that doesn’t have me quite convinced is that because I ran 5w20 in my old truck for 5 years until it had 70,000 miles on it with ZERO issues. Sure it had I guess that Hemi tick at idle when it was cold but after it warned up, it was gone.

I get that you are all saying you feel the heavier is better; but in turn, does that make the lighter worse??


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[Hipps2000]

The Redline 5w-20 is comparable to some 30 weights. It also has higher amounts of Moly and Zinc than most 5w-20s but if you go under the dealer microscope it isnt stamped with the certification like the Penzoil this is why if you want to stay in the box you should run the PUP with a better filter until you develop a tick.

 

[corneileous]

I can respect that. I felt the same way about adding headers...upgrading my oil, and many more.

Read and study and go with your gut is all you can do...just know that Ram is in business to sell vechicles and the dealers are there because they have to follow guidelines set by OEM and OEM has to follow the government mandates. I wouldn’t do anything to my vechicle that would jeopardize its performance. My truck runs great and I also have a great relationship with my dealership. I also have a 7/70000 warranty.

I realize all that but my gut is saying to continue doing what I have been doing all this time, which is what Ram recommends in oil weight.

For the most part, personal preference for me, in this matter, really isn’t it. I’m not worried about fuel economy. I want what’s good for it.


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[69GWC]

Wonder if the guys running 5.7s in the 2500s are wondering if they run 5w20 instead of the 5w30 that fca recommends if they will get better mileage and if they will still be covered under warrenty. ?
lol

 

[Burla]

There is no data that I am aware of that says shorter engine life with 20 weight oil. The truth is gas engines are very forgiving on what you run in them.

 

[Ramnewbie]

Oh so I’m a snowflake now because I don’t appreciate **** like that?? Wow....lol. Ease up on the assuming ********, pal. My feelin’s ain’t hurt and I damn sure ain’t butt-hurt.... and I certainly am not throwing a damn hissy fit, who the hell you think you are, anyways? Wow. Why don’t you just leave the damn discussion if that’s the best you can do? Damn.


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Do you feel better now? Good for you.

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[MeatCurtains]

Wonder if the guys running 5.7s in the 2500s are wondering if they run 5w20 instead of the 5w30 that fca recommends if they will get better mileage and if they will still be covered under warrenty. ?
lol

Well that depends on the use of the engine. If it just totes around an ego and grabs groceries I highly doubt any statistical evidence would prove the 5w20 any different to a 5w30.

However then there is the intended use aspect. Heavy towing, large loads, excess heat from stress. This is where the thicker weight would benefit as it would stay in an acceptable range if the oil reaches a higher temperature.

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[69GWC]

I was being a smartass sorry Iam bad about that must egnor me at times... lol

 

[MeatCurtains]

I was being a smartass sorry Iam bad about that must egnor me at times... lol

Ah I get it. It's important to have good info on topics like this. There are a lot of people doing dumb crap because they read poor information. I've seen people run 15w40 in 3.8l jks because obviously 5w30 is too thin.

Then they blame the manufacturer for a poor quality product when they can't get the thing to turn over below 40° and wind up toasting an oil pump. Their compression was never better though.

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[Ramnewbie]

I was being a smartass sorry Iam bad about that must egnor me at times... lol

The world would be a better place if more people had a sense of humour and could take a joke, not get offended by everything that they don't agree with or think is not opropriate. I didn't think being PC was a prerequisite for being here.

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[corneileous]

The world would be a better place if more people had a sense of humour and could take a joke, not get offended by everything that they don't agree with or think is not opropriate. I didn't think being PC was a prerequisite for being here.

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I don’t think it is but obviously some people just simply don’t understand the concept of knowing when to joke and when not to.


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[69GWC]

My hole thing with running what FCA says is they are not being consistent.

1500 5.7, 5w20

2500 5.7, 5w30

2500 6.4, 0w40


IMO run what you feel is best after doing your reasch, I just dont think IMO your going to be wrong if choosing from those 3 choices.
again imo.

 

[Burla]

 

[Ramnewbie]

My hole thing with running what FCA says is they are not being consistent.

1500 5.7, 5w20

2500 5.7, 5w30

2500 6.4, 0w40


IMO run what you feel is best after doing your reasch, I just dont think IMO your going to be wrong if choosing from those 3 choices.
again imo.

Exactly, weight and brand are a personal choice in my opinion. Now I'm not gonna try 0/16 or 20/50 just to see what happens, I think there are guidelines to follow, however you can fluctuate within those guidelines.

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[Ramnewbie]

I don’t think it is but obviously some people just simply don’t understand the concept of knowing when to joke and when not to.


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Burla, no jokes, we can't do that anymore.

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[Lufty]

THAT SNOW BOWER GOTTA HEMI
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[Hipps2000]

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Now that ***** funny!!!