Synthetic Oil

[Burla]

So I guess Rampant's thought is we should all trade in our trucks because they tick. But I got rid of my tick 5 years ago and it's been gone and truck is running fine. And since my truck started ticking at 3500 miles new, then obviously I am in no position to move to a different truck. The fact of the matter is, nobody can say that what we stumbled upon was finding an answer that is adequate lubrication for a ticking hemi or masking the situation. Either position is a theory, and considering the lack of fails with anyone on the board who "fixed" their tick with redline, and the many years we have "masked" our problem, seams like a mechanically ignorant position.

Two fails with redline were after one truck threw a code and was told he needed a replacement, and another truck that tick was so bad that redline never stopped the ticking-Kaps. That truck was a goner regardless. And a very interesting point, the fact that Kaps truck was ticking AND FAILED should tell you something. The rest of the redline users have killed their tick and no fail. Tick = Premature Fail, No Tick = all good in paradise.

Position hawking is what seams to be going on. I don't care about the results that all of you random forum guys are having, I want to throw shade on it because I know best. The constant positioning to seemingly convince any "new guy" to not use Redline to fix there tick, seams to be the agenda.

The ticking condition reveals the fact that condition needs an oil built for high pressures as to have a better chance at being adequate lubrication. Where the tick exists = high pressures between moving metal surfaces. Lesser base oils especially vii's cannot exist there in any strength. Seams like people interested in maintaining their credibility at the same time as attacking others, should stop ignoring the truth that reveals itself over and over. It just appears that sour grapes is more important then embracing the work forum members like myself has been doing on the issue for 5 plus years.

If a new guy is in the same position I found myself in after buying a new truck, there is nothing to loose to give Redline 5w30 a go. I think the around 20 plus guys that have taken my advice on it are happy they did. People throwing shade on the results since day one, still at year 5 and people still tossing that shade. The fact is the shade tossers are the ones losing credibility with every success story, so stop doing it. If one oil makes your truck tick and one doesn't, only a fkin idiot would chose the oil that makes his truck tick.

 

[Burla]

It is a science thing, not a brand thing. Nissan used the engineers to design an oil that may address their loud engines and the problems occurred after, used the same technology that Redline uses in their oils. Worked for them just like it works for us, just on a larger scale because the manufacturer embraced the science and promoted. Nobody is throwing shade on NISSAN for doing so, so maybe we should keep the shade off what we have done here as well. I'm not sure on the date NISSAN ester oil was formulated, if sooner the 5 years ago us RAM forum members may have been the first to embrace the science of lubrication to address a weakness in modern oils for our applications.

 

[69GWC]

If my truck has a nasty lifter tick start up I will sell it/trade it in if the dealer wont repair or fix it.
I have done similar before and will do it again if need be, also why I wont buy a GMC product again.
To say Rampant is wrong by saying that is simply not right as what he said is just a option that some people would take myself included.


Hopefully RL oil is really fixing the problem amd not just masking it to later rear its ugly head as a flat cam and lifters.
I do believe it is a great oil and for sure might be the fix.

 

[chrisbh17]

It is a science thing, not a brand thing. Nissan used the engineers to design an oil that may address their loud engines and the problems occurred after, used the same technology that Redline uses in their oils. Worked for them just like it works for us, just on a larger scale because the manufacturer embraced the science and promoted. Nobody is throwing shade on NISSAN for doing so, so maybe we should keep the shade off what we have done here as well. I'm not sure on the date NISSAN ester oil was formulated, if sooner the 5 years ago us RAM forum members may have been the first to embrace the science of lubrication to address a weakness in modern oils for our applications.

FWIW, I have one of the engines that Nissan swears the Ester oil will fix (VQ37HR). And, I call BS on their ester oil.

The engines are "ticky" no matter what because of the complicated (yet brilliant) "variable valve timing and lift" setup. When I first start mine it does tick loudly for about 15-30 seconds depending on outside temp. This is per the programming, its meant to run like that to clear condensation off the O2 sensors. Once that tick dies down, yes its a little louder than a normal engine, but its nothing like bearing knock, Hemi tick, etc.

Oddly enough, it gets a steady diet of Pennzoil Ultra 5W-30 but has never had a problem with noises. The only time it may have seen the fancy Nissan ester oil was if it came in the engine from the factory. Otherwise its been 2x/year changes with PU 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filters.

 

[Ramnewbie]

All the noises that I have been chasing are strictly cold start noises. Have never had the hemi tic when hot or been running for a bit. I think y'all will agree that some Hemi's tic, others don't, don't know why, just the way it is. So far M1 seems to be running the best of any oil I've used so far, which is ironic because I've allready got 13 Qts of ss5/20 in the shed waiting to go in at next oil change. My wife's penstar likes the M1 also, it didn't like ss5/30 on cold starts, would rattle like crazy. So now I'm sorta at an impasse, stay with M1 or go ahead and try the ss5/20 and see what it does since I already have it.[emoji848]

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[U&A]

6.4 owners,

My hot idle oil pressure on

PUP 0W40. = 29psi

Amsoil 0W40 = 29psi

Redline
2quarts 0W40
5quarts 10W40 = 30 Psi

Redline 10W40 = 32


Interesting because the CST Vis @100 for redline 10W40 was less than their 0W40.

 

[Wild one]

Burla you talked me into Redline a few years ago,and I gotta say i'm glad you did,lol. We just did a Greene cam and Hellcat lifter swap in my nitrous fed drag strip toy,and when we pulled the stock cam and lifters out at 56,000 they still looked brand new,and I beat the living **** out of my truck with 6500 rpm shifts.I owe you a big thank-you Burla. Charonblk also runs 5W-30 Redline in his 18psi supercharged monster and he had his cam out awhile ago,and it still looked brand new.My wifes 2016 Challenger I tried 5W-20 PUP in on it's first oilchange,and I have to admit i'm not a fan of PUP,the car has 7,000 miles on it,and is far more noisy then my truck is ,the car will also be getting 5W-30 Redline and 20-820 RP filter on it's next oilchange which will happen this week sometime.

 

[U&A]

All the noises that I have been chasing are strictly cold start noises. Have never had the hemi tic when hot or been running for a bit. I think y'all will agree that some Hemi's tic, others don't, don't know why, just the way it is. So far M1 seems to be running the best of any oil I've used so far, which is ironic because I've allready got 13 Qts of ss5/20 in the shed waiting to go in at next oil change. My wife's penstar likes the M1 also, it didn't like ss5/30 on cold starts, would rattle like crazy. So now I'm sorta at an impasse, stay with M1 or go ahead and try the ss5/20 and see what it does since I already have it.[emoji848]

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Use it in your push mower

 

[Ramnewbie]

Use it in your push mower

Lol, my JD takes 10/30

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[Rampant]

So I guess Rampant's thought is we should all trade in our trucks because they tick. But I got rid of my tick 5 years ago and it's been gone and truck is running fine. And since my truck started ticking at 3500 miles new, then obviously I am in no position to move to a different truck. The fact of the matter is, nobody can say that what we stumbled upon was finding an answer that is adequate lubrication for a ticking hemi or masking the situation. Either position is a theory, and considering the lack of fails with anyone on the board who "fixed" their tick with redline, and the many years we have "masked" our problem, seams like a mechanically ignorant position.

Two fails with redline were after one truck threw a code and was told he needed a replacement, and another truck that tick was so bad that redline never stopped the ticking-Kaps. That truck was a goner regardless. And a very interesting point, the fact that Kaps truck was ticking AND FAILED should tell you something. The rest of the redline users have killed their tick and no fail. Tick = Premature Fail, No Tick = all good in paradise.

Position hawking is what seams to be going on. I don't care about the results that all of you random forum guys are having, I want to throw shade on it because I know best. The constant positioning to seemingly convince any "new guy" to not use Redline to fix there tick, seams to be the agenda.

The ticking condition reveals the fact that condition needs an oil built for high pressures as to have a better chance at being adequate lubrication. Where the tick exists = high pressures between moving metal surfaces. Lesser base oils especially vii's cannot exist there in any strength. Seams like people interested in maintaining their credibility at the same time as attacking others, should stop ignoring the truth that reveals itself over and over. It just appears that sour grapes is more important then embracing the work forum members like myself has been doing on the issue for 5 plus years.

If a new guy is in the same position I found myself in after buying a new truck, there is nothing to loose to give Redline 5w30 a go. I think the around 20 plus guys that have taken my advice on it are happy they did. People throwing shade on the results since day one, still at year 5 and people still tossing that shade. The fact is the shade tossers are the ones losing credibility with every success story, so stop doing it. If one oil makes your truck tick and one doesn't, only a fkin idiot would chose the oil that makes his truck tick.

Redline is obviously a great product. But other than it's price tag, there's really nothing that makes it stand out in the crowd among many other great products. What background do you come from that gives you the acumen to call anything any mechanic says is ignorant? What is the most amount of miles any hemi has on it since being "fixed" by using redline? What do you consider long term? Since oil really has no shelf life, long term has nothing to do with time in my book. The day one of these "test subject" engines reaches 200k+ miles without a cam/valve train issue, I will gladly eat my words.

There are many hemis out there with more than 200k mi that have never had the tick or an issue without the need for a "special oil". Coincidence? Can you explain that? If not, then why keep throwing blanket statements out there such as "these Hemis need this or that". That is factually incorrect. A healthy hemi doesn't need anything more than any other motor. In reality, it's only a handful in the big scheme of things. Sorry, but it's starting to look like y'all got the Friday afternoon-built motors and started a little club here lol.

Having the ear of a few people on an internet forum does not equate to personal credibility in my book. You should really get out more often. I threw my opinion out there as a lifelong mechanic and enthusiast of all things with an engine, based on many years of experience as a trained professional and generalities known to be true in the profession.

For anyone who has switched to redline after having a bad tick... are you really 100% positive it is "fixed" or do you wince every time you start that thing, wondering if this is going to be the time it ***** the bed? I think it's safe to surmise that some degree of the latter is true. Even if it goes 100k mi, you'll still have it in the back of your mind and will likely have skid marks in your panties when any misfire code pops. A misfire code to a healthy hemi is usually fairly benign; a misfire code to a hemi that has or has had the tick usually means the end of the line. The reason I'd trade a ticker in at the first sign is simple; I refuse to throw large amounts of money toward a young vehicle I don't have confidence in. #imwithshadetossers

 

[Burla]

FWIW, I have one of the engines that Nissan swears the Ester oil will fix (VQ37HR). And, I call BS on their ester oil.

The engines are "ticky" no matter what because of the complicated (yet brilliant) "variable valve timing and lift" setup. When I first start mine it does tick loudly for about 15-30 seconds depending on outside temp. This is per the programming, its meant to run like that to clear condensation off the O2 sensors. Once that tick dies down, yes its a little louder than a normal engine, but its nothing like bearing knock, Hemi tick, etc.

Oddly enough, it gets a steady diet of Pennzoil Ultra 5W-30 but has never had a problem with noises. The only time it may have seen the fancy Nissan ester oil was if it came in the engine from the factory. Otherwise its been 2x/year changes with PU 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filters.

Thanks for your first hand experience, maybe try Redline before you give up on it. Many guys say use that ester oil in their Nissan or nothing, see some other reviews. Probably some trucks are beyond what a different lubricant can do, but some aren't. Proof is here.

 

[R.L.K.]

All the noises that I have been chasing are strictly cold start noises. Have never had the hemi tic when hot or been running for a bit. I think y'all will agree that some Hemi's tic, others don't, don't know why, just the way it is. So far M1 seems to be running the best of any oil I've used so far, which is ironic because I've allready got 13 Qts of ss5/20 in the shed waiting to go in at next oil change. My wife's penstar likes the M1 also, it didn't like ss5/30 on cold starts, would rattle like crazy. So now I'm sorta at an impasse, stay with M1 or go ahead and try the ss5/20 and see what it does since I already have it.[emoji848]

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If Mobil1 is working for you I'd stick with it as Mobil 1 is a great product imo .

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[Hemi395]

Let me clarify, I have never said and never will say that Redline "fixed" my Hemi. No oil can do that. I've had motors in the past that had mechanical problems that running a 20w60 oil didn't "fix" or quiet. Trust me I get that. However I'm convinced some Hemi's are just noisy. Me being of the old school mechanic mindset of a tick is metal to metal contact which equals wear, I'll run an expensive 5w30 oil to quiet it up. If my Hemi actually had a mechanical problem that started way back at 2500 miles, I would think it would've grenaded long before the 38XXX miles it has on it now.

Also some of us aren't in the financial position to just say F it and trade it in. Trust me I wish I were in that position because I would be looking at a 2500 6.4.

 

[Burla]

Redline is obviously a great product. But other than it's price tag, there's really nothing that makes it stand out in the crowd among many other great products.

End conversation, obviously your ears are dysfunctional along with your eyes, lol. It certainly does stand out, it is the only one of the crowd that puts base oil over profits and marketing. In case your eyes deceiving you is a temporary thing go look it up Redline is ester/pao base and none of your crowd is. And in case your ears deceived also being a temporary thing go back and HEAR the difference in a hemi Amsoil SS 5w30 versus Redline 5w30, I'm pretty sure you know where to find those video's.

Is the zf 8 speed also garbage? or is it because it uses great base oil and isn't names Redline then maybe it's aight? that was slang for good voodoo

 

[Hemi395]

From what I've read about Nissans "Ester" oil is that its a G2 conventional base with ester mixed in...

 

[R.L.K.]

Burla you talked me into Redline a few years ago,and I gotta say i'm glad you did,lol. We just did a Greene cam and Hellcat lifter swap in my nitrous fed drag strip toy,and when we pulled the stock cam and lifters out at 56,000 they still looked brand new,and I beat the living **** out of my truck with 6500 rpm shifts.I owe you a big thank-you Burla. Charonblk also runs 5W-30 Redline in his 18psi supercharged monster and he had his cam out awhile ago,and it still looked brand new.My wifes 2016 Challenger I tried 5W-20 PUP in on it's first oilchange,and I have to admit i'm not a fan of PUP,the car has 7,000 miles on it,and is far more noisy then my truck is ,the car will also be getting 5W-30 Redline and 20-820 RP filter on it's next oilchange which will happen this week sometime.

I've put Redline 5W-30 in my wife's 16 Challenger RT+ since the first oil change at about 1500 miles , her car is whisper quiet now with about 14k ...

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[Burla]

Burla you talked me into Redline a few years ago,and I gotta say i'm glad you did,lol. We just did a Greene cam and Hellcat lifter swap in my nitrous fed drag strip toy,and when we pulled the stock cam and lifters out at 56,000 they still looked brand new,and I beat the living **** out of my truck with 6500 rpm shifts.I owe you a big thank-you Burla. Charonblk also runs 5W-30 Redline in his 18psi supercharged monster and he had his cam out awhile ago,and it still looked brand new.My wifes 2016 Challenger I tried 5W-20 PUP in on it's first oilchange,and I have to admit i'm not a fan of PUP,the car has 7,000 miles on it,and is far more noisy then my truck is ,the car will also be getting 5W-30 Redline and 20-820 RP filter on it's next oilchange which will happen this week sometime.

You are welcome sir, and thank you for reporting back. I certainly wished more of you guys would come back, but also understand why some don't.

Charonblk is member here? How did he know about it?

 

[Drunken Hamster]

Well, idk if Redline will end up fully working for my as-is motor, but of I ever do a stroker or custom build hemi, I know what's going in from the start to get it good and keep it there!

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[Burla]

Welp, mine has just ran past 2 yrs old and the 36k b to b warranty without ever seeing a dealer. She's done very well so far. It's always been quiet on SS 0w-40 and most likely been worked harder and longer than 90% of the non-commercial trucks on the road with those few miles. If it ever does get the tick, other than a little startup chatter, it will be someone else's problem in short order.

To say Rampant is wrong by saying that is simply not right as what he said

Shrug

 

[69GWC]

Shrug

If you are going to quote me dont take my quote and edit it out to make it look better just for your behalf.

This is my full quote.

"To say Rampant is wrong by saying that is simply not right as what he said is just a option that some people would take myself included."