3 different payload specs - What gives

[nonrev321]

Well what to make of this. for my Truck a 2016 RAM 2500 CC Laramie Longhorn, 4x4, diesel, A6 68RFE transmission, VIN 3C6UR5GL2GG305209: The yellow tag on the truck door says 1943lbs for payload, Using the owners manual and looking under "payload" they say to go to a web page and check by VIN. When I enter my VIN on this RAM web page it says 2170lbs. If I use the "2016 RAM 2500 trailer towing chart - SAEJ2807 Compliant" .pdf it shows the payload as 2380.... thats over 400lbs difference between the door tag and what RAM's own Towing table .pdf shows. Thats significant IMO. Can anyone advise? Important for 5th wheel loading calculating

 

[drittal]

Options add weight. The door sticker is the closest number.

The absolute number is 10,000 minus the scaled weight of your truck.


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[Rampant]

Yep, the sticker is correct for your truck. The VIN and book don't account for options.

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[crash68]

If your concerned about real numbers, run the truck over a scale, then keep in mind your 2500 has a 5750lbs FGAWR, 6000lbs RGAWR and 25300 GCWR.

 

[muzupan]

Yep, the sticker is correct for your truck. The VIN and book don't account for options.

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The sticker on my 2016 Ram 2500 cc with 6. 7 cummins is off by 400 pounds. As mentioned, take your truck with it loaded with family and full tank of gas and subtract that total from 10,000 pounds. That will give you remaining payload. Mine is at 1600 pounds with family and full tank of gas in my truck.

 

[Rampant]

The sticker on my 2016 Ram 2500 cc with 6. 7 cummins is off by 400 pounds. As mentioned, take your truck with it loaded with family and full tank of gas and subtract that total from 10,000 pounds. That will give you remaining payload. Mine is at 1600 pounds with family and full tank of gas in my truck.

How do you arrive at this magical 10,000 lbs?

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[drittal]

How do you arrive at this magical 10,000 lbs?

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It's a 2500 and that is the GVWR the factory uses to determine Payload.


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[Rampant]

It's a 2500 and that is the GVWR the factory uses to determine Payload.


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I've never heard that one. Do you have a reference for this or should I just believe it because I saw it on the internet?

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[drittal]

2500 have a GVWR of 10,000 to be classified as a Class 2b by DoT. It's also listed on the door jam.


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[Rampant]

2500 have a GVWR of 10,000 to be classified as a Class 2b by DoT. It's also listed on the door jam.


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The Ram website says not all 2500s ar 10k gvwr...



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[drittal]

The Ram website says not all 2500s ar 10k gvwr...



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The ones with less GVWR are 5.7l hemi model and the Power Wagon. All 6.7l like the OP has are 10k.


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[Rampant]

The ones with less GVWR are 5.7l hemi model and the Power Wagon. All 6.7l like the OP has are 10k.


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I agree. But the statement about 10k being the magic number for all 2500s is incorrect. As I said before, go by the sticker in your door jamb. It is the only accurate identifier tied to your truck's unique setup.

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[drittal]

I agree. But the statement about 10k being the magic number for all 2500s is incorrect. As I said before, go by the sticker in your door jamb. It is the only accurate identifier tied to your truck's unique setup.

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It is for HIS application and why we told home to subtract his weight from 10k. You implied we pulled that number out of thin air by referring to it as "magical". Never once did we say all 2500 are 10k, but used it in context to his application. You are just arguing semantics.


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[Rampant]

It is for HIS application and why we told home to subtract his weight from 10k. You implied we pulled that number out of thin air by referring to it as "magical". Never once did we say all 2500 are 10k, but used it in context to his application. You are just arguing semantics.


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No, its really not semantics at all. I'm trying to keep the conversation legitimate and factual to actually help the OP out. You are furthering his confusion by spreading untruths and then trying to defend them when proven wrong.

When you say things like "2500 have a GVWR of 10,000 to be classified as a Class 2b by DoT" it sounds to me (and Im sure to most others) like you are saying ALL 2500s have a 10k GVWR, which is just not true. Stick to the facts. Its not a personal attack.

Who cares how the DOT classifies trucks? That jibberish has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever. The guy just wants to load his truck properly and safely so he can take his family camping. Or whatever the 5th wheel is intended for.


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[Ratket]

^ Dear god -

 

[spoon059]

If your concerned about real numbers, run the truck over a scale, then keep in mind your 2500 has a 5750lbs FGAWR, 6000lbs RGAWR and 25300 GCWR.

If it has 18" wheels then those numbers are higher... I wanna say 6000 front and 6500 rear...?

And a 3/4 ton truck is a Class 2B truck, meaning that the MAXIMUM GVWR is 10,000 lbs. Anything over 10,000 lbs and it becomes a class 3 truck. Simple math will tell you that your axle ratings are substantially more than 10,000 lbs, but the 2B rating artificially de-rates your truck to keep in an arbitrary spec.

 

[crash68]

If it has 18" wheels then those numbers are higher... I wanna say 6000 front and 6500 rear...?

And a 3/4 ton truck is a Class 2B truck, meaning that the MAXIMUM GVWR is 10,000 lbs. Anything over 10,000 lbs and it becomes a class 3 truck. Simple math will tell you that your axle ratings are substantially more than 10,000 lbs, but the 2B rating artificially de-rates your truck to keep in an arbitrary spec.

The SAE J2807 doesn't show a different GAWR designation for rim size, that's not to say that's possible. I did look up the OP's build sheet, it left the factory with 20's.

You shouldn't imply that you can put more in the truck than the payload stick says...it will infuriate the payload police...lol

 

[Skrap]

No, its really not semantics at all. I'm trying to keep the conversation legitimate and factual to actually help the OP out. You are furthering his confusion by spreading untruths and then trying to defend them when proven wrong.

When you say things like "2500 have a GVWR of 10,000 to be classified as a Class 2b by DoT" it sounds to me (and Im sure to most others) like you are saying ALL 2500s have a 10k GVWR, which is just not true. Stick to the facts. Its not a personal attack.

Who cares how the DOT classifies trucks? That jibberish has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever. The guy just wants to load his truck properly and safely so he can take his family camping. Or whatever the 5th wheel is intended for.


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Good God! You are a douche canoe! We all know what drittal was referring to except you. I guess you are one of those guys that has to be right all day every day.

 

[mtofell]

Good God! You are a douche canoe! We all know what drittal was referring to except you. I guess you are one of those guys that has to be right all day every day.

X2 - Go somewhere else and argue. It was obvious what was being discussed and what was meant.

 

[nonrev321]

Well I did as advised and came up with the following

Background: The yellow tag on my truck door states that I have 1940lbs Cargo Carrying capacity (including passengers) for my Truck but as per advice I was informed that the most accurate determination of Cargo Carrying capacity is to weight the truck with passengers and a full tank of fuel. Doing this I came up with the following:

CAT Scale weight of Truck + 2 passengers = 8630Lbs (full tank of diesel)
Plus 250lb (estimated) 5th wheel hitch weight = 8880lbs
Plus hitch weight of Grand Design 230RL 5th wheel (1195lbs) = 10075lbs
Plus loaded trailer weight (2000lbs x 20% = additional 400lbs on the pin)

10075 + 400 = 10500lbs. 500lbs over the GVWR of 10,000

There is a general opinion that I should be able to handle the 230RL 5th wheel with my 2016 RAM 2500 Laramie Longhorn but I am concerned that once the 230RL is loaded up I may be too far over the 10,000 GVWR of my truck and the specified payload.

In folks opinion, considering a normal load on the 230RL, i.e. LP tanks full, all liquid tanks full, batteries, groceries and all personal living items would I still be in what would be commonly considered a safe load condition with my 2016 RAM 2500?

Thanks for letting me tap your experience and knowledge

Rgds
nonrev