The 6.4 HD Hemi Thread

[AFMoulton]

Here you have a 8200# empty, 9600# loaded trailer. Empty my tongue weight is 1000#, full my tongue weight is 1380#.

This is why I bought a 2500 with the 6.4. So I could have 3690#s of payload.

3690-1380=2310.

It’s called Margin, and you need more than what you carry.

So yeah running down the road with a fully loaded truck at 70+ is stupid, yeah that Hemi will get it up to speed, wait to you need to do an emergency stop and the trailer jackknifes on you and either kills you and your family or god forbid someone else.

Unloaded I get 17-18 to and from work and towing I get 9-11.




2018 Ram 2500 6.4L 4x4
Amsoil SS 0W-40

 

[Sandevino]

Here you have a 8200# empty, 9600# loaded trailer. Empty my tongue weight is 1000#, full my tongue weight is 1380#.

This is why I bought a 2500 with the 6.4. So I could have 3690#s of payload.

3690-1380=2310.

It’s called Margin, and you need more than what you carry.

So yeah running down the road with a fully loaded truck at 70+ is stupid, yeah that Hemi will get it up to speed, wait to you need to do an emergency stop and the trailer jackknifes on you and either kills you and your family or god forbid someone else.

Unloaded I get 17-18 to and from work and towing I get 9-11.




2018 Ram 2500 6.4L 4x4
Amsoil SS 0W-40

“I have too much truck” —No one...

What trim level do you have to get 3600# payload? My 2020 6.4/ZF has 3100#. Is the 6-speed that much lighter?

 

[AFMoulton]

“I have too much truck” —No one...

What trim level do you have to get 3600# payload? My 2020 6.4/ZF has 3100#. Is the 6-speed that much lighter?

I have a tradesman! LoL hardly any options. All I got was the motor, trans and the 4.10 gears I wanted.


2018 Ram 2500 6.4L 4x4
Amsoil SS 0W-40

 

[Sandevino]

I have a tradesman! LoL hardly any options. All I got was the motor, trans and the 4.10 gears I wanted.


2018 Ram 2500 6.4L 4x4
Amsoil SS 0W-40

Same here. The tradesman is the best kept secret in the lineup.

 

[AFMoulton]

Same here. The tradesman is the best kept secret in the lineup.

Wonder why the 2020 is heavier [emoji848]


2018 Ram 2500 6.4L 4x4
Amsoil SS 0W-40

 

[392DevilDog]

The 2020 lost 200lbs.

@AFMoulton are you The guy who had the snow chief package with the higher rated front axle that I discussed with before.

My tradesman doesnt even have the shark fin. I do have the long bed...which drops some payload over the short bed...but mine is only 2998 only options on mine are tow mirrors and protection group

I had this discussion with someone and that was the case.

The 2020 the longbed finally has more payload than the short bed.

3600lb payload is 3500 territory for a SRW.

But I think that is what we discovered the snow chief gets a higher rated front axle

 

[Sandevino]

Wonder why the 2020 is heavier [emoji848]


2018 Ram 2500 6.4L 4x4
Amsoil SS 0W-40

2018 Payload ratings look to be less than the 2020 models by 50 pounds for crew cab Tradesman 4x4 6’4” bed models.

My 2020 2500 Tradesman 6.4/ZF 4x4 with the off-road and Snow Chief packages has a 3146# payload. These packages add 204# to the truck resulting in a lower payload.

I’d take another look at your payload sticker. Not that your rig would overrun the payload, but to ensure your axles are loaded properly.

 

[dhay13]

My payload is 2973lbs on my sticker but when I weighed it with 1/2 tank of fuel and me in it it weighed about 7250lbs so I have about 2750lbs payload left. I have added tow mirrors since then so might have lost about 20lbs or so of payload.

My truck is a 2018 2500 CCSB 6.4 Outdoorsman with Off-Road package so skid plates, 20" wheels, etc. I have the full console, power sliding rear window with defrost, etc. so it's probably one of the heavier 2500 gassers

 

[Sandevino]

My payload is 2973lbs on my sticker but when I weighed it with 1/2 tank of fuel and me in it it weighed about 7250lbs so I have about 2750lbs payload left. I have added tow mirrors since then so might have lost about 20lbs or so of payload.

My truck is a 2018 2500 CCSB 6.4 Outdoorsman with Off-Road package so skid plates, 20" wheels, etc. I have the full console, power sliding rear window with defrost, etc. so it's probably one of the heavier 2500 gassers

The sticker assumes a full tank of fuel and nothing and no one in it...lol

 

[392DevilDog]

@dhay13. Your payload number is figured with no passenger or cargo and full tank of gas.

So yes you are correct that with a half a tank of gas you have that much more payload.

But the sticker number is with the full tank and you not in it

 

[392DevilDog]

@Sandevino the 2019/20 save about 200lbs over the 2018.

I see your truck has the same front axle as mine. But your rear has 390 more lbs of capacity than mine.

Mine is 5500 front and 6000 rear.

That is interesting

 

[Tunaman]

Yeah he definitely has to be pushing the payload. My 2013 1500 Express payload was about 1350lbs. It was a 4x4 QC but mostly stripped down being an express. My 2018 2500 payload is 2973lbs

I didn't say i was or wasn't "pushing" the payload! And Ollie went from towing a trailer weighing 5500 lbs to now 7600 lbs dry. I was simply saying for me, to tow my 6500 lb trailer with what the hell ever i put in m truck it tows great, stops great. I don't care what you're towing or with what if you have proper brakes on the trailer with the brake control properly set in the truck the trailer will MORE than stop itself. Also with a properly set up load leveling hitch the "tongue" weigh is distributed basically evenly between the rear AND front axel of your tow vehicle.
The loaded weight of my trailer actually is a spec over 7000 with all tanks full and LOADED tongue weight of 650. The load leveler hitch puts 60% of the tongue weight on the rear axel (390Lbs) 40% on front (260 lbs). I have close to 20 yrs towing experience and I KNOW when a vehicle is over loaded. I have to laugh, in the 70's they were towing 40' 5th wheels weighing in at 15,000+ lbs all over the country with 3/4 ton single rear wheel F-250 fords with the 460 and bragging about how easy they hauled. Now they need 1 ton dually's to tow 12,000 36' 5th wheels.
I tow 1500-2000 miles a yr, 20,000 plus empty. Until I tow a REAL load I'll take the 1500 and enjoy the extra 12 MPG when not towing. To say nothing about the several thousand saving in price. Oh forgot to mention, my MAX towing cap is 10,600, payload 1880. trust me, myself, my wife, a couple coolers, are well below 1800!!!

 

[392DevilDog]

@Sandevino what is interesting is the chart shows the 6390 comes with the box delete trucks

Gotta love RAM

 

[dhay13]

1880? Sounds pretty high. Unless it's a 2wd regular cab? Not saying you can't tow it, just that you have to be really close on payload. Total tow rating is irrelevant when it comes to payload. If your loaded tongue weight is 650 then you might be under payload but that's a light % of tongue weight for a 7000lb loaded camper but if it tows comfortably then all good there. And payload is everything in the truck plus tongue weight. Doesn't make a difference how much of that tongue weight is transferred to the front axle, it's still added to payload.

 

[392DevilDog]

The new 5th Gen RAM has the most payload of a modern RAM 1500 truck.

A v6 2wd quad cab with the super dana axle. 1840lbs.

I do nit believe your 1500 has 1880lbs of payload @Tunaman

Look at your door sticker and you may be surprised how low it is.

I agree with you about the towing and the 1500 ride.

But I also agree with @dhay13 that you are well into the capacity of a 1500.

But you have experience and understand that. So that is a better situation than the mew guy we try to educate who has never even driven his lawn mower with a trailer.

I also just can not figure out how you guys feel safe going over 70 towing on the highway.

Too many deer and raccoons to do that here for me.

 

[Sandevino]

I didn't say i was or wasn't "pushing" the payload! And Ollie went from towing a trailer weighing 5500 lbs to now 7600 lbs dry. I was simply saying for me, to tow my 6500 lb trailer with what the hell ever i put in m truck it tows great, stops great. I don't care what you're towing or with what if you have proper brakes on the trailer with the brake control properly set in the truck the trailer will MORE than stop itself. Also with a properly set up load leveling hitch the "tongue" weigh is distributed basically evenly between the rear AND front axel of your tow vehicle.
The loaded weight of my trailer actually is a spec over 7000 with all tanks full and LOADED tongue weight of 650. The load leveler hitch puts 60% of the tongue weight on the rear axel (390Lbs) 40% on front (260 lbs). I have close to 20 yrs towing experience and I KNOW when a vehicle is over loaded. I have to laugh, in the 70's they were towing 40' 5th wheels weighing in at 15,000+ lbs all over the country with 3/4 ton single rear wheel F-20 fords with the 460 and bragging about how easy they hauled. Now they need 1 ton dually's to tow 12,000 36' 5th wheels.
I tow 1500-2000 miles a yr, 20,000 plus empty. Until I tow a load I'll take the 1500 and enjoy the extra 12 MPG when not towing. To say nothing about the several thousand saving in price. Oh forgot to mention, my MAXtowing cap is 10,600, payload 1880. trust me me, my wife, a couple coolers, are well below 1800!!!

This sounds like a fantastic setup and you clearly know what you’re doing. Haul away... /sarcasm

It sounds like your truck and trailer has escaped the clutches of inter-state weigh stations where fines are routinely handed out for over-weight rigs. I’ve seen state police and highway patrol chase down half-ton truck and trailer drivers that looked overloaded and have them run the scales.

In my experience as a professional owner / operator hauling heavy coast to coast, I’ve seen it all. The worst accidents I’ve seen involved overloaded half-ton trucks and trailers driven by over-confident operators.

I wish you well...

 

[Tunaman]

1880? Sounds pretty high. Unless it's a 2wd regular cab? Not saying you can't tow it, just that you have to be really close on payload. Total tow rating is irrelevant when it comes to payload. If your loaded tongue weight is 650 then you might be under payload but that's a light % of tongue weight for a 7000lb loaded camper but if it tows comfortably then all good there. And payload is everything in the truck plus tongue weight. Doesn't make a difference how much of that tongue weight is transferred to the front axle, it's still added to payload.

So you’re trying to tell me if the total payload is on the rear axel it tows, handles as safely and comfortably as it does if it’s distributed over both axels?? like I said, it tows, breaks just great. I see people towing trailers that have not the slightest idea of weight distribution. Truck sitting 4” lower in the rear than the front, or towing with some jacked up truck they had overload rear springs installed, their big airbags lifting that ass endofthe truckup 3-4” liking “billy -big-rigger” towing swaying in the breeze....but they’re under “payload”! How do they know?? The sticker on the door says so!
Take these lawn care guys,towing around max 3000-4000 lb trailers and MUST have 2500 HD diesel trucks....god bless them!

 

[Tunaman]

This sounds like a fantastic setup and you clearly know what you’re doing. Haul away... /sarcasm

It sounds like your truck and trailer has escaped the clutches of inter-state weigh stations where fines are routinely handed out for over-weight rigs. I’ve seen state police and highway patrol chase down half-ton truck and trailer drivers that looked overloaded and have them run the scales.

In my experience as a professional owner / operator hauling heavy coast to coast, I’ve seen it all. The worst accidents I’ve seen involved overloaded half-ton trucks and trailers driven by over-confident operators.

I wish you well...

Never seen a weigh station where a travel trailer was being weighed...I’ve done my share of semi driving too, no big accomplishment...

 

[392DevilDog]

I think the point completely blew over your head @Tunaman

You are completely missing the point and chosing the sections that help your case.

But I am ok with that. You do what feels comfortable for you. And I will continue to give information for someone to find their own comfort zone.

Everyone should go buy a ranger and a 5th wheel and tow away. I saw a guy do that once. Looked completely safe and I could tell he was in full control.

As far as the lawn care guys with the diesel 2500. The ones around here have a 2500 because they need a crew cab and an 8 foot bed. They choose the diesel for all the miles they put on.

I think the purpose of what @dhay13 said is because you...or someone in this thread thought payload was only what you put in the bed. It is everything you put on or in the truck. A new vanity SUPER TRUCKER license plate to lights on the rear bumper...to that xtra large coffee to the passengers and their luggage.

That is what he meant.

And nor sure which guy you are...but rhe one guy has about 4 inches of drop in his rear and is clearly light on the front axle. His truck manhandles the rig...but imagine how well it would tow it if the weight was distributed back properly. The astronauts sure would appreciate it if the guy tows at night.

People who have toeing experience can take all our discussion with a grain of salt.

But, the new guy who got lied to by a car salesman and a trailer salesman...they need to be shown the basics, what the numbers mean and how to get to them, and what is safe and unsafe.

Some of this comes from experience and some from reading comprehension.

And since this is the 6.4l HEMI thread...I have noticed those lawn care guys that run RAM trucks. They have made the switch to the 6.4l. Because it is a good choice against the Cummmins.

 

[buddy guy]

Some of the discussion in this thread makes me think of my former boss believing that the heavier the load in the back of my fwd delivery vehicle the better the traction. Uhmmm....no. Its an fwd vehicle! What I havent thought about until I read this thread is that same guy also tows hunting & quad trailers on a regular basis. Either he lost his common sense when it came to the delivery vehicle or he's been lucky with his own towing setups!

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