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[G-Ride990]

Dang man! Glad everyone is okay but what a bummer about the truck. Have you had a chance to look where the oil might be coming from?

 

[67 StingrayJ]

Dang man! Glad everyone is okay but what a bummer about the truck. Have you had a chance to look where the oil might be coming from?

I'm so raw about it just refuse to deal. I sprained my wrist in the ordeal and had an EMT wrap it on site. Because I did that, the insurance claim got elevated to a group of individuals that do not work weekends. BS.

 

[Maxx]

I'll let y'all know Sunday! Sick of thinking and talking and speculating.

View attachment 468308My truck feels, drive, sound's, skats like a RamJet I like it a lot that's why I call it RamJet.

 

[Maxx]

$165 for an ebay "oversized" TB... Good luck man.

Most of those, "ported" TBs out there are not true bore. And I wouldn't trust some ebay store with my electronically controlled throttle body. Stick with the known brands out there, or go with a hellcat Tb and adapter plate if you want a bigger TB.

That's why you should look around and spend some money on a good one I hear the BBB 90mm is a good quality one.

 

[67 StingrayJ]

OK...
I installed the Pedal Commander. I've run it for about 4 weeks now. Although people claim pedal commander opens the throttle "faster", I have not found this to be the case. Furthermore, after consulting the literature on the Pedal Commanders website, I'm further convinced it does not make the throttle open any faster. The Pedal commander does not control the Throttle body and it does not tell it to open or close. That is controlled by trucks Electronic control module (ECM). If you logically think about it, your introducing another variable between the Trucks Pedal position Censor (PPC) and the Electronic control module (ECM). Taken directly from the Pedal Commander website: "it doesn’t really matter how fast you are flooring the gas pedal. The ECM controls the speed of the signal so your foot can not make the throttle body faster." Speaking strictly from a stopped staring point, I found this to be true no matter what I did, with or without the pedal commander. The truck always opened the throttle at a constant rate no matter what setting, how fast or hard I pressed the pedal. That lag was ever present.

Previous claims of the truck being "undrivable" while in Sport+ mode are simply false. I have had my truck on Sport+ mode with a +4 setting for the past week and driven it with no issues. The truck isn't jumpier, faster, I'm not peeling out or spinning tires any more than usual. The pedal is only more sensitive. Meaning I get more throttle input with less pedal output. Conversely, on Eco Mode, the pedal is less sensitive. I have to press the pedal more to get the same amount of throttle input. In Eco mode, I can still accelerate as fast as possible by mashing the pedal. Based on information found on the Pedal Commanders website, weeks of testing and documenting, I have put together the below graph that best illustrates how each of the modes control the Throttle. See blow.





Now finally, to answer my own questions...


1.) Installing a Pedal Commander (or any other brand throttle response controller) is the same as changing how you press on the accelerator.
True
All the Pedal Commander does is change the throttle output relative pedal to input.


2.) Pedal Commander's (or any other brand throttle response controller) Maximum throttle input is no different than what you can achieve without a pedal commander.
True
Max throttle is Max throttle.


3.) Simply installing a Pedal Commander (or any other brand throttle response controller) cannot improve acceleration beyond what you can already achieve.
True
The pedal does not open the throttle, the trucks powertrain/engine control system (PCM/ECM) does.


4.) One can replicate the effects of a Pedal Commander (or any other brand throttle response controller) by changing how you press the accelerator.
True
If you want to simulate "eco" or "Sport" modes, just press more, or press less on the pedal. See graphic.


5.) People who install a Pedal Commander (or any other brand throttle response controller) could have achieved the same effects by simply changing the way they used their accelerator.
True
All this thing does is change the amount of throttle given based on pedal position. See graphic.


6.) The most aggressive Pedal Commander setting (or any other brand throttle response controller) is no better than slamming your foot on the accelerator.
True
The pedal does not open the throttle, the trucks powertrain/engine control system (PCM/ECM) does.


7.) Purchasing a Pedal Commander (or any other brand throttle response controller) is a quick way to needlessly spend your money.
Depends
If you hate the sensitivity (or lack there of) of your trucks pedal, this thing might be for you.

 

[rickjkline]

For me I will never drive my truck with out my PC, why???? because of how much more fun and peppy it makes the truck respond. It has no effect at WOT. This is for everyday driving, it removes the need to put your foot in the mudhole to get your truck moving. I find it the most fun in the city or for quick responses to pass on the interstate. WAyyyyyyy less pedal input is required and just makes an overall more fun truck to drive.
It is all grins. I am sure some have bought one and said no, not for me.

 

[2012RAM1500RT]

Appreciate your findings with "your" test and "your" truck but my test of me and my truck has not and will not change. No science, physics. geometry, algebra or anything else you want to throw in there doesn't change what I feel with mine. Sorry you wasted "your" time and "your" money! Still happy with mine!

 

[Treburkulosis]

For me I will never drive my truck with out my PC, why???? because of how much more fun and peppy it makes the truck respond. It has no effect at WOT. This is for everyday driving, it removes the need to put your foot in the mudhole to get your truck moving. I find it the most fun in the city or for quick responses to pass on the interstate. WAyyyyyyy less pedal input is required and just makes an overall more fun truck to drive.
It is all grins. I am sure some have bought one and said no, not for me.

I second this. Mine has no issues roasting the tires with mine turned up. I can go outside and take pics of the burnout I did. lol

 

[G-Ride990]

Appreciate your findings with "your" test and "your" truck but my test of me and my truck has not and will not change. No science, physics. geometry, algebra or anything else you want to throw in there doesn't change what I feel with mine. Sorry you wasted "your" time and "your" money! Still happy with mine!

Same.

And the highest setting for my truck does make it undriveable. Instant tire spin.

 

[Treburkulosis]

Same.

And the highest setting for my truck does make it undriveable. Instant tire spin.

Oh yes it does. Turn a corner and punch it and it gets squarely. Loads of fun and makes that bad MPG worth it. Smiles per gallon for sure.

 

[67 StingrayJ]

LOL... So much bologna in this thread. Take those PCs off your truck and tell me it's impossible to recreate the same effect just by pressing the pedal more or less. I believe in research, and data, and science. The truth is out there if anyone cares to find it. Otherwise, feel free to spend $279 on some 'feelings'. LOL

 

[2012RAM1500RT]

LOL... So much bologna in this thread. Take those PCs off your truck and tell me it's impossible to recreate the same effect just by pressing the pedal more or less. I believe in research, and data, and science. The truth is out there if anyone cares to find it. Otherwise, feel free to spend $279 on some 'feelings'. LOL

I think you just like to argue!

 

[G-Ride990]

LOL... So much bologna in this thread. Take those PCs off your truck and tell me it's impossible to recreate the same effect just by pressing the pedal more or less. I believe in research, and data, and science. The truth is out there if anyone cares to find it. Otherwise, feel free to spend $279 on some 'feelings'. LOL

IDK how many times we have to explain it to you, we notice a difference.

If you didn't you're full of it, oh wait you did... And most of my answers still match up with your own.

7.) Purchasing a Pedal Commander (or any other brand throttle response controller) is a quick way to needlessly spend your money.
Depends
If you hate the sensitivity (or lack there of) of your trucks pedal, this thing might be for you.

You spend your money and I will spend mine.

Side note, you got the truck fixed? How did the repairs come out?

 

[pacofortacos]

LOL... So much bologna in this thread. Take those PCs off your truck and tell me it's impossible to recreate the same effect just by pressing the pedal more or less. I believe in research, and data, and science. The truth is out there if anyone cares to find it. Otherwise, feel free to spend $279 on some 'feelings'. LOL

I view it like this, the throttle is delayed by design, to help mpg and be gentler on the drivetrain for the most part , ie. torque control.
If you could get rid of the fly by wire and go to a throttle cable, most owners would be thrilled by that - as you could open the throttle as fast as you want.

Imagine 100% throttle in a split second with the hemi with a cable throttle.

On my Pacifica, I can slam the pedal as fast as possible and that darn van will sit there and ask "Are you sure you want WOT" at least half a dozen times before it even thinks about moving. If I want to go wot and get around someone, I need to smash the pedal 3-5 seconds early to get it to go when I want it to.
My Ram isn't nearly as bad, but I would wager quite a bit of money that I would enjoy a cable throttle much more than the fly by wire - and it isn't for hard throttle use, but rather for feathering the throttle when I need vs. lag, kickdown, go with the fly by wire.

 

[Treburkulosis]

I view it like this, the throttle is delayed by design, to help mpg and be gentler on the drivetrain for the most part , ie. torque control.
If you could get rid of the fly by wire and go to a throttle cable, most owners would be thrilled by that - as you could open the throttle as fast as you want.

Imagine 100% throttle in a split second with the hemi with a cable throttle.

On my Pacifica, I can slam the pedal as fast as possible and that darn van will sit there and ask "Are you sure you want WOT" at least half a dozen times before it even thinks about moving. If I want to go wot and get around someone, I need to smash the pedal 3-5 seconds early to get it to go when I want it to.
My Ram isn't nearly as bad, but I would wager quite a bit of money that I would enjoy a cable throttle much more than the fly by wire - and it isn't for hard throttle use, but rather for feathering the throttle when I need vs. lag, kickdown, go with the fly by wire.

God the Pacifica is awful. We have one and it needs one bad. I agree I think he likes to argue through his brain that obviously seems to work differently. I have the 9 drive. I’m in full race mode all the time. My truck became a totally different monster. 5 kids and a mortgage doesn’t allow for big expense mods. My truck will now roast the tires with traction control on and is about 3x as responsive as tow haul mode and in manual 4. It does make a difference and I’m sorry you and your truck don’t get the same responses as almost all of us. I respect your research as I know I should probably do. It’s just if I am going to get my average 15-16 mpg I better be feeling all of that Hemi. I do now with my throttle controller. I’ll test me eco on my next road trip and see if I can get better the 20 mpg. Getting back to your pushing of the throttle comment. So where I would have to be 1/2-3/4 pedal it’s now barely 1/4. That’s what it improves IMO. I need to pass it’s a very light push 1/4 I’m not down into 4th 6spd truck. Mine loves it. MPG hasn’t changed at all. They work and work well IMO and I am usually like you not impressed with little things like this.

 

[GTyankee]

The only way to prove or disprove whether something makes a vehicle faster or not, is to take the vehicle & the go faster part to a race track

Make runs with & without the part, 4 runs, 2 with & 2 without the part
Preferably with 2 different drivers

 

[G-Ride990]

The only way to prove or disprove whether something makes a vehicle faster or not, is to take the vehicle & the go faster part to a race track

Make runs with & without the part, 4 runs, 2 with & 2 without the part
Preferably with 2 different drivers

None of us were claiming that it made our trucks faster though or if someone did, I didn't agree with them. We were only saying that the highest setting was way too touchy and that it made the truck feel better to drive when you found a setting that you liked.

 

[pacofortacos]

Treburkulosis, I don't have a PC.
My only real complaint on how my 16 Ram runs is that it downshifts so easily and quickly when I feel it could easily pull the slight grade in the current gear. So, if I am cruising in 8th and there is a slight grade, it doesn't seem to do much with slightly more throttle at first, then it downshifts into 7th and goes. I would just like to delay the downshift a bit. I am actually surprised that it does that with 3.92's as it really doesn't need to downshift.
When I hear complaining about their trucks lugging and not downshifting quick enough, I am saying to myself, "How can I get mine to do that?" lol

IF the eco helps mpg on the highway, I would get one just for that - as that is 90% of my driving

 

[pacofortacos]

I would be surprised if it doesn't improve 0-60 times (with traction) a bit, as it should improve that and driveability.

 

[GTyankee]

That is what i thought most everyone was saying
You install it go faster 0 to 60

When i still had my 2009 HEMI powered Ram
I could hit the highway & climbing the first of several steps going up to 4200 feet
at the top of the first hill, there is a slight dip & immediately you hit a steeper grade
The transmission seemed to downshift at the same time that MDS disengaged, if you were traveling at 75 mph, it would snap your head back & push you back in the seat.
It always happened at the same spot, give or take 100 feet & i was never quite ready for it to happen