SOS System in RAM’s - Wife almost died

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We were going home from an NJ hospital when my wife stopped responding. I immediately hit the SOS button in my 2021 RAM. What a mistake! I get an operator who sounds like a 10 year old. It took 19 minutes for EMS to finally arrive. I was asked about 10 - 12 times for my address. Meanwhile I’m looking at my GPS coordinates in the truck. She never transferred me to local PD for about 15 minutes. Getting the DVD from local PD I can hear her mumbling my location to local PD. He never understood. Thinking she was 911 I found out she was from Sirius XM. They won’t give me her communion with me. All I can get is her transfer to local. I urge everyone if you are ever in a life threatening situation call 911 direct… DO NOT DEPEND ON SIRIUS XM in a distant office to help you. I will be writing to Dodge CEO & SiriusXM CEO complaining on their pathetic system & poor customer service. Dealing with XM customer service just gets you transferred & hung up on… total waste of time.
 

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I am sorry to hear you had to go through this. I hope your wife has recovered, or is recovering well, from her medical emergency. This is a great reminder of how important our 911 system is in this country.
 

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First, and foremost, hope your Wife is doing ok. Scary stuff right there. And hope this NEVER happens to you and your Wife ever again!


I use Sirius for music streaming only. And even having to deal with just that side of their customer service, shows just how inept they truly are. Stemming from that alone, I would never depend or rely on them in a life saving, or emergency situation EVER!

Sounds like we both live in the Mid Atlantic region. I learned ALWAYS leave your GPS location enabled in your phone while travelling. I don't know how other states handle 911 calls from the road. But I learned here in PA, they utilize that little cell phone feature.
 

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Hope all is ok. I had similar situation with it when it first came out, middle of nowhere in Nevada, same issues you described on the XM side. What a regret. I had no phone service so I had no choice. Sorry to hear about all that.
 

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Sorry to hear of this. I hope your wife is ok. I personally don't think I would've even thought of using the SOS button or system in an emergency situation. I've dealt with their customer service and I couldn't even understand the person I was talking to. I'm not even sure he was even in the same country. Anyway, I hope your wife is or will be ok.
 

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Sorry to hear this, I hope she is recovering. It feels like forever when you're waiting for first responders, even longer when it's not going through an appropriate dispatch center. Thanks for sharing so others are aware.
 

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I am very sorry about what happened. That said, no dig on you at all... but people need to read the owners and supplemental manuals.

It says...

Minor accidents or inconveniences.
 

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Sirius outsources everything, you call them, you get some one at a Call Center in India.
I can't understand their accent most of the time, so i ask for someone in the New York Office

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By the way, if you press the ASSist but, you get someone in Auburn Hills Michigan which is Ram Headquarters

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Both mirror buttons connect you through an AirCard modem that is in your radio, it has its own phone number that is linked to your vehicles VIN# ( Sierra Wireless AirCard )
It is not linked to your cell phone
 

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They make Sirius radios for your Home or Work
They have to be able to connect somehow ?
Or is it the the FEE Based Uconnect, that you can't receive ?

For years i had internet & WiFi in older vehicles
I had a device called Autonet Mobile first in my 1956 Chevy pickup, then later in my 1999 Chevy pickup

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I no longer needed it when i bought my old 2009 Ram
 
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We were going home from an NJ hospital when my wife stopped responding. I immediately hit the SOS button in my 2021 RAM. What a mistake! I get an operator who sounds like a 10 year old. It took 19 minutes for EMS to finally arrive. I was asked about 10 - 12 times for my address. Meanwhile I’m looking at my GPS coordinates in the truck. She never transferred me to local PD for about 15 minutes. Getting the DVD from local PD I can hear her mumbling my location to local PD. He never understood. Thinking she was 911 I found out she was from Sirius XM. They won’t give me her communion with me. All I can get is her transfer to local. I urge everyone if you are ever in a life threatening situation call 911 direct… DO NOT DEPEND ON SIRIUS XM in a distant office to help you. I will be writing to Dodge CEO & SiriusXM CEO complaining on their pathetic system & poor customer service. Dealing with XM customer service just gets you transferred & hung up on… total waste of time.
Totally understand your pain. What it is good for is when you crash upside down, and you can't get your phone, pushing that button will be a lifesaver for sure. Hope you wife is OK, you didn't say, but I hope.
 

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Totally understand your pain. What it is good for is when you crash upside down, and you can't get your phone, pushing that button will be a lifesaver for sure. Hope you wife is OK, you didn't say, but I hope.
Not sure if it would even work if the truck is sitting on its top. That's where the antenna is located.
 

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That SOS button should be for sending an Emergency S.O.S. Signal when ever the vehicle is in a high impact accident.
BUT, that is not how it works

To have to pay for something like that is Ludacris
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[ You do have a tattle tale device in your vehicle, by law, they are suppose to tell you about it. It should either be vocally explained or should be by some other method that stands out: like the Tag that is taped to the glove compartment informing you about the Air Bags.

It is a tracker, it records how you were driving , it records when the brakes & throttle were applied & whether the pressure applied was light or heavy. etc.
It is called the Black Box, but it is actually gray
The official name is the EVENT DATA RECORDER
The Police need a Court Order to view the data recorded & they can only read 30 seconds worth of data, the recorder overwrites itself. ]
 
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Sadly, no technology is going to work in every situation (nor even most situations); the IBM (It's Better Manually) method is less likely to fail. If the UConnect system dials an operator in another country, all bets are off. At least using the same system, but by commanding it to dial 911, the caller will more likely be connected to a nearby dispatcher who knows the area. Granted, there are a few exceptions to this, but most county dispatchers can hand of a call to the proper adjacent county within seconds.
 

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My wife and I were first on the scene of a double fatality RV crash on i-95 in palm coast Florida a couple years ago. We were in her Chevy equinox, I hit the 911 button and got a speech from the car that we needed to pay for that service.

So instead I quickly asked Google to call 911 through Android auto, it was a very fast completely hands free way to get on the line with a dispatcher. That's what I'm going to use from now on in emergencies.

Those built in emergency buttons add an extra step, which like in OPs case is sometimes more of an obstacle, that could add extra time that could cost lives. Better to use Google or Siri to call 911 and get you directly to a local dispatcher.

I suppose if you're someplace remote without cell service the sos button has to do since it's your only option.
 

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That SOS button should be for sending an Emergency S.O.S. Signal when ever the vehicle is in a high impact accident.
BUT, that is not how it works

To have to pay for something like that is Ludacris
..................................................................................
[ You do have a tattle tale device in your vehicle, by law, they are suppose to tell you about it. It should either be vocally explained or should be by some other method that stands out: like the Tag that is taped to the glove compartment informing you about the Air Bags.

It is a tracker, it records how you were driving , it records when the brakes & throttle were applied & whether the pressure applied was light or heavy. etc.
It is called the Black Box, but it is actually gray
The official name is the EVENT DATA RECORDER
The Police need a Court Order to view the data recorded & they can only read 30 seconds worth of data, the recorder overwrites itself. ]

Jeff, hope your wife is ok. My wife just got in a bad accident and thankfully she is fine. But it never stop living everyday like it’s your last.

Well just to unpack this properly, and I mean no disrespect GT, but there is always a lot of stuff that gets said as if it is true.

ALL vehicles since 2013 have had black boxes that data record…ALL. And the police need a warrant and they are never denied access to the data recorder.

Next, the services like SOS and the GM OnStar (a far superior program and I’m no GM lover) are all subscription based. ALL of them.

I bring this PSA to you with almost 20 years in the automotive space with OEM and supplies. I work in this space and know it well.

Merry Christmas everyone. And to others, happy holidays.
 

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Glad to hear you finally got help and hope she's doing OK now.

It's true with all such services, many even tell you in the manual that IF you have cell service and if someone is able to use a GPS enabled smart phone and can call 911 directly that your better to do that First. The SOS button is designed more for when your in areas where there either is no cell service, no one had a cell phone, or there has been a crash and the occupants are somehow trapped.




We had to use ours last may just shortly after getting our 2021 Longhorn (fortunately we'd never had to use it in our 2018) and it was one of those situations where services like this really shine compared to the old days;


Last May we cam across a single car accident in the middle of the Nevada desert at 2am and had to use our SOS button because there was no cell service, the next town of any size was almost 90 mins away even at highway speed (85 in that area), and at that time of night you could potentially sometimes sit for over an hour without seeing another car come by which is what happened to the trapped people in the car.

In a long desert valley with mountains at each end an older couple and he was pinned and she (smartly) didn't start walking up the highway but decided to stay with him and hope a vehicle passed. They had their hazard flashers on and she said she seen our LED headlights coming for miles across the desert valley and was surprised how long it took between the time she first seen our lights top the crest at the far end of the valley and actually reach where they was near the other end on the down-slope knowing the speed limit was 85, she said it took almost 15 minutes to reach them from when she first seen our lights and I told her it's like 25 miles across that valley if they seen us coming over the far slope. In addition to their hazard lights when we came up on them she practically stepped in the road waving a coat. They said we'd been the first car to pass by since they went in the ditch almost 45 minutes before when he swerved to miss some kind of small animal and lost control.

It would have been nice if their vehicle had such a system but with nothing but cell phones all they could do was wait and hope for help. Lucky for them we not only came along but my lady is a LPNi, one of the best battlefield trauma and triage nurses I ever known serving over 17 years on both helicopters and transport planes out of the war zones back to Europe, and now has worked for Life-flight for another 10+ years. It was spring but the desert was still cold at that time of night and there car wasn't running so they had no heat, both was cold, and he was near shock but Kiri was able to take care of him with supplies from our truck (which is always well stocked as you can imagine, she keeps a medical go-back in it at all times) until the local services finally arrived. While waiting and she was in the passenger seat keeping an eye on him I actually managed to get his door open and unbolt his seat with my hand tools, so we had helped him out just minutes before the local rescue arrived which saved at least some time.

In our case the girl who responded to the SOS button that we got was efficient and proficient and had help on the way very quickly. Due to the distance it took the local responders awhile to get there but that was the distance and clearly not her fault. I think the biggest confusion she had was she wasn't certain WHICH place to try and contact. She tried the NV State Police first only to have them transfer her not once, not twice, but at total FIVE times finally ending in getting hung up on. We was so far from anywhere the XM lady said that the town that shows to be our address doesn't seem to have any kind of contact number she can find in the emergency systems so she said she got someone else helping her and they had had to "work their way out" in each direction with one working north and the other working south going town by town until they reached someone. At one point she assured me they was working as fast as they could and that "this is crazy, towns on the map but when they call the provided emergency services number for the town, no one answers the phone". They finally got someone to answer in a town almost 60 miles north of us. Now the XM lady seemed to be frustrated by the no answers at the numbers for many of these desert towns (many just tiny dots on the map when you see them in person) but in reality I felt she was working efficiently under the circumstances she was given and having to make multiple calls and wait to decide there wasn't going to be an answer. From the time we hit the button to the time she finally found someone to answer the phone was in reality only about 10 minutes which I felt was good on her part considering even the state police transferred her 5 times only to then hang up on her during a 6th transfer.


So the system has it's place but if you have good cell service, a GPS smart phone, and someone is able then calling 9-1-1 directly is almost always going to be the most direct route to help.
 
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:eek: I very sincerely hope that your poor wife is making a full and speedy recovery, or very soon will be.

As others have stated, for actual emergencies, I would definitely use the phone to call either your local dispatcher if you live out in a remote area, or 911.

Out here in my neck of the woods, our 911 calls get picked up by the 911 call centers elsewhere in the state who then contact our county dispatcher who in turn dispatches the response. Instead of going through the 911 center, I programmed the direct line for county dispatch into my phone and call that when I'm in my home area and they dispatch a local response immediately. County dispatch is in my contacts list as Dispatch so that I can use the hands free system in my Ram and press the phone button on my steering wheel and just say "Call Dispatch" to get connected. For use otherwise, I have an icon pinned on my phone's home screen in the top center portion to speed dial it. When every minute counts, I don't want to play a game of Telephone and add an extra person into the mix.
 

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The vehicle SOS is meant for auto accidents and the need to have emergency services go to your location. With a medical emergency one needs to know the location of the nearest ER and drive there and not sit and wait for someone to arrive.

Where I live the 911 call results in sheriff deputies being dispatched and then after they arrive they decide if an ambulance is needed. That results in at least 45 minutes delay before someone can be taken to the hospital and not getting help for 60+ minutes is likely to result in greater short and long term damage.

I guess I learned at an early age out of necessity to be more self reliant. Calling 911 is not really a complete response to an emergency situation and everyone should know the basic of first aid.
 
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