2015 Ram line up, first truck to meet SAE tow standards.

[Birddog]

I found this article interesting and wanted to share it with you folks. Let me know what you think? I didn't even know SAE had tow standards.


Ram Becomes First Truck Lineup to Fully Adopt SAE J2807 Tow Standards | WiredPRNews.com



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[h2oman]

Thanks.

 

[emjohn4]

I think Toyota was - in 2010 or something.

 

[BoldAdventure]

Ya, Toyota was one of the first to adopt them in 2011. The big 3 all pointed fingers at first and said they weren't until the other guy did it. GM has agreed to for 2015, Dodge has and I think Ford is the last one, also for 2015.

That being said, I think all the 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks still won't be rated using this. It's just the light duty trucks.

And, while it will be nice to have a standard, I'm sure the marketing folks will do their best to continue to confuse the public and hide payload realities from average buyers.

 

[Birddog]

You'd think they'd have adopted the standards a long time ago and used it as a marketing tool.

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[csuder99]

You'd think they'd have adopted the standards a long time ago and used it as a marketing tool.

Actually what happened before is that marketing squeezed engineers to sign off on numbers that served marketing purposes. The same vehicle would gain a few hundred pounds of towing capacity from one model year to the next.

Now there is a standardized method of determining towing capabilities and marketing can't use 'magic towing dust' anymore. From what I gathered GM trucks lost some towing, the V6 Ram 1500s (gas and diesel) look even a bit better. Ford is just revamping the F150 so no data yet.

 

[loveracing1988]

Ya, Toyota was one of the first to adopt them in 2011. The big 3 all pointed fingers at first and said they weren't until the other guy did it. GM has agreed to for 2015, Dodge has and I think Ford is the last one, also for 2015.

That being said, I think all the 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks still won't be rated using this. It's just the light duty trucks.

And, while it will be nice to have a standard, I'm sure the marketing folks will do their best to continue to confuse the public and hide payload realities from average buyers.

It is all trucks going to that standard. Ram is going all in, Ford is waiting until the super duty is redesigned to comply, and Gm I have no clue.
As of now though all half ton trucks comply with the standard.

 

[Little Red]

It is all trucks going to that standard. Ram is going all in, Ford is waiting until the super duty is redesigned to comply, and Gm I have no clue.
As of now though all half ton trucks comply with the standard.

GM will recall their trucks.

 

[Badunit]

They already meet or exceed the standard. Some tow ratings went up, most are the same under the standard. They are certifying to a new standard but it appears whatever standard/process they used before was just as rigorous or more so. If Ford and GM do not fare the same, this will show who was stretching the truth.

Edit: GM saw their ratings decline by 300-400 lb on their 1500s

 

[smurfs_of_war]

Yeah, I will believe these numbers when they start doing real world application testing and incorporate a standardized method for calculating the towing capacity based on the GVWR of the truck AND a standardized method of calculating GVWR. There are still going to be way too many ways for consumers to be misled. You'd be surprised how many think "It can tow 10000lbs. I'm good".

Ford's numbers are still fishy to me, and I am a long time fan of their trucks.

 

[Badunit]

Yeah, I will believe these numbers when they start doing real world application testing and incorporate a standardized method for calculating the towing capacity based on the GVWR of the truck AND a standardized method of calculating GVWR.

Then you are going to be happy. The standard sets a standard way of determining GCWR, the maximum permissible trailer weight and "tow vehicle trailering weight" among other things. The tests include real-world tests of acceleration, maintaining speed, handling, etc.

Tow Ratings Pass the Sniff Test - Performance Requirements - The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) - Automobile Magazine

What item I found humorous in one article I read was the statement that the marketing folks at some manufacturers don't want to incorporate the standard because it will make it harder to be at the "top of the tow rating heap" (or something like that). To them, lying your way to the top is the same as actually achieving it, I guess.

 

[loveracing1988]

Then you are going to be happy. The standard sets a standard way of determining GCWR, the maximum permissible trailer weight and "tow vehicle trailering weight" among other things. The tests include real-world tests of acceleration, maintaining speed, handling, etc.

Tow Ratings Pass the Sniff Test - Performance Requirements - The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) - Automobile Magazine

What item I found humorous in one article I read was the statement that the marketing folks at some manufacturers don't want to incorporate the standard because it will make it harder to be at the "top of the tow rating heap" (or something like that). To them, lying your way to the top is the same as actually achieving it, I guess.

I think he was referring to the GVWR because there is no standard for calculating payload.
Ram calculates it as the truck sits full of fluids and 150 pound driver.
Ford and Gm though calculate it without fluids or a rear bumper or a driver, so the number you actually get for your payload is sometimes hundreds of pounds less than what it should be rated for.

 

[Birddog]

Here is another great article.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ram/2015-ram-heavy-duty-ar165077.html

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