2027 Ram 1500 REV: A First Look At The Production-Ready Extended Range Truck

https://insideevs.com/news/784772/2027-ram-1500-rev-range-extender-ev-pickup-production-version/

 

[Docwagon1776]

I can't afford to buy tires that often if I do 0-60 full torque on the 400hp 5.7 I have. Can't imagine the life span on full electric torque of 650 hp and 600+ fp tq

Part of the advantage of instant torque is less wheel spin. Watch the video I posted above of the Rivian walking up a 45 degree rock face.

Now, you absolutely can roast the tires...you just don't have to. It's an advantage of when power is largely decoupled from RPM, so no worries of cooking a transmission as the torque converter absorbs heat or excessive wheel spin/hop.

Think of tractors as kind of exaggerated version of this. Obviously not a complete apples to apples, but see how off idle torque can be used for controlled work vs tire roasting.

 

[TRK_GANG74]

Part of the advantage of instant torque is less wheel spin. Watch the video I posted above of the Rivian walking up a 45 degree rock face.

Now, you absolutely can roast the tires...you just don't have to. It's an advantage of when power is largely decoupled from RPM, so no worries of cooking a transmission as the torque converter absorbs heat or excessive wheel spin/hop.

Think of tractors as kind of exaggerated version of this. Obviously not a complete apples to apples, but see how off idle torque can be used for controlled work vs tire roasting.

The majority of the time I hear instant torque referred to is never in this context. It’s usually done in the context of I can get off the line faster than anyone some jerk making a YT video of a phone or other object being pinned to the seat back for a short time. People that perform this crap on the public roads should have their vehicle confiscated/crushed, heavily fined, and serve time for endangering the public on public roads. On a daily basis to and from work I encounter these jerks and they are a true menace on the roads with their instant torque.

 

[Docwagon1776]

The majority of the time I hear instant torque referred to is never in this context. It’s usually done in the context of I can get off the line faster than anyone some jerk making a YT video of a phone or other object being pinned to the seat back for a short time. People that perform this crap on the public roads should have their vehicle confiscated/crushed, heavily fined, and serve time for endangering the public on public roads. On a daily basis to and from work I encounter these jerks and they are a true menace on the roads with their instant torque.

So is this a discussion on how people don't drive courteously or is this a discussion on the EREV that Ram is producing? The stuff people are coming up with to complain about in this thread is truly mind blowing.

Do you go on TRX threads and complain the truck is too powerful and people will drive it like an a-hole? You mad the Hurricane makes more low end torque than the previous Hemi, which made more low end torque than the previous Magnum? The existence of the Hellcat or the C8 Corvette keep you up at night? Or is all that angst reserved just for electrified drive trains?

 

[TRK_GANG74]

So is this a discussion on how people don't drive courteously or is this a discussion on the EREV that Ram is producing? The stuff people are coming up with to complain about in this thread is truly mind blowing.

Do you go on TRX threads and complain the truck is too powerful and people will drive it like an a-hole? You mad the Hurricane makes more low end torque than the previous Hemi, which made more low end torque than the previous Magnum? The existence of the Hellcat or the C8 Corvette keep you up at night? Or is all that angst reserved just for electrified drive trains?

It’s about people always bragging about instant torque. Do you go on threads chastising everything you don’t like or agree with! If you disagree with my response don’t respond and keep on moving. I guess you can place your reply in the mind blowing section also.

 

[Docwagon1776]

It’s about people always bragging about instant torque. Do you go on threads chastising everything you don’t like or agree with! If you disagree with my response don’t respond and keep on moving. I guess you can place your reply in the mind blowing section also.

It's not that I disagree with your post, it's that it's completely irrelevant.



But you're right on one thing, no reason to engage with your cloud yelling any further.

 

[Randy Grant]

Part of the advantage of instant torque is less wheel spin. Watch the video I posted above of the Rivian walking up a 45 degree rock face.

Now, you absolutely can roast the tires...you just don't have to. It's an advantage of when power is largely decoupled from RPM, so no worries of cooking a transmission as the torque converter absorbs heat or excessive wheel spin/hop.

Think of tractors as kind of exaggerated version of this. Obviously not a complete apples to apples, but see how off idle torque can be used for controlled work vs tire roasting.

That's a Rivan. We haven't see the REV yet, but the reason to have all that torque is to use it. I and most other reasonable drivers don.t need it. The end.

 

[Randy Grant]

It's not that I disagree with your post, it's that it's completely irrelevant.

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But you're right on one thing, no reason to engage with your cloud yelling any further.

AS is yours

 

[Docwagon1776]

That's a Rivan. We haven't see the REV yet, but the reason to have all that torque is to use it. I and most other reasonable drivers don.t need it. The end.

It's an electric drivetrain, and an illustration of instant torque which is what I thought was under discussion vs just some nonsense about people will misuse the power. Odd how that only comes in electrified vehicle threads, isn't it?

 

[Docwagon1776]

Back on topic,

We'll be back to the era of being able to order a heavy half ton. 8 lug axles and a tow rating of 14k lbs is absolutely nuts for a 1500 class truck. Payload is slightly over 2600 lbs.

You get a 0-60 time that's nearly as fast as the HO Hurricane, but the HO's tow rating is lower than even the SO because it can't heat shed fast enough to maintain the power under load. So there's your demonstration of the usability of the power vs shenanigans.

Front and rear axles are powered independently, each with their own motor. The rear locks, but nothing on the front yet that I can find.

 

[RamLife1500]

Try to imagine that not everyone uses their truck like a commuter car. Not everybody keeps their truck on the road, even.

I think you'll find that off roaders, people who do recovery, or people who pull anything at all care about instant torque off idle. It gives you a lot more control to have power without needing high rpms. Bumping to get over rock ledges or just out of ruts, low end controllable and predictable torque is huge.

Rivian's Insane Uphill Climb...

Clip from Lew Later (Google “Launches” Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro) - https://youtu.be/ke8yW30ybNU

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Same for regenerative brakes for hill descent control. Less concern with overheating brakes, more control, and less wear and tear.

One of the things I really miss about my '87 was the granny gearing. You don't get that in modern trucks. 1st gear was something close to 8:1, then a 2:1 transfer case. Even with the relatively low power of the 318 of the era, you had so much usable torque in the 1-3 mph range. I literally pulled down old farm buildings with that truck just off idle like it was a tractor. I pulled out fencing by myself, walking along side the truck. I could work out a fence post, wait for the truck to catch me, drop it in the bed, and walk to the next fence post to start working it while the truck crawled along at idle to catch up to me again.

How did you pull down that stuff? Did you rope from the truck?

Amazing that you could do that.

 

[Docwagon1776]

How did you pull down that stuff? Did you rope from the truck?

Amazing that you could do that.

For clarity, that's not me, I drive a Power Wagon. It's just footage I found online to demonstrate the point.

Rivians are the only EVs I've seen on trails, though. They seem really capable. Look up the testing they did on fording water depth.

The potential for these as offroaders is huge. Not much need to worry about torque vectoring if each wheel has it's own motor. Rear wheel steer is awesome, but individual wheel speed does it even better. I'm very curious as to what the revived Scout will be capable of, but I also have trust issues with VW's ability to execute.

 

[TradesmanGuy]

It will be an interesting and bold truck.

I tried the battery-operated hand tools years and years ago. Never liked the proprietary battery packs that seemed to lose power in the middle of a job. Air tools are my primary go to power for DIY garage all things. Unfortunately, my collection or air hoses does not take me to far from the garage. Now, if batteries have truly made big gains in the last 15+ years then this truck could be groundbreaking.

Where's my popcorn?

 

[TheOldFartDrummer]

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For $50-60k cdn, they’ll sell a bunch of them.
For $80k+, they can rot on the lot.
Good luck to the beta testers.

Ehhhhh, no thanks! I still like to HEAR my V8...

 

[dochawk]

Now, if batteries have truly made big gains in the last 15+ years then this truck could be groundbreaking.

Err, they have.

on the hand tools you mention, the difference between 20 years ago, a few years after that, and now are stunning on an 18v.

I got more experience with them than I ever wanted when tenants ruined my house.

20 years ago, they were nimh (or nicad).

We could do about 8 ft of cut on a thick wall of a 1968 house on a charge of the standard large RYOBI 18v of the time (yellow & black). The battery wouldn't be empty when it stopped cutting, but the voltage dropped somewhat linearly, so a roughly quadratic drop in power.

just a few years later, green & black Li-ion batteries were available. much more expensive (at least at first), but a flat voltage until near the very end. Much more cutting, drilling, etc.

And a few years ago, they added a kind that while having the same aH, could release faster to tools with the computer to understand/direct it.

And the latest versions actually have some internal cooling. Same total juice, but increases the life of the battery itself.

Battery tech is indeed advancing fast, with no real signs of slowing.

I wouldn't want one of today's pure electrics--I want four hours at actual freeway speed with the ac running and the headlights on, and to charge in ten minutes. We're not there yet.

But most months I never leave town. 100 miles of actual plugin range would be more than I need, and the ability to have normal range with the generator engine would be perfect.

Now we'll see whether or not the 2027 serial hybrid f-150 comes out before the 2024 RamCharger . . .

 

[tron67j]

On the tool battery discussion, I run Dewalt 60v 15ah batteries in a chainsaw, heavy duty blower, air pump, plus 20v 5ah batteries in circular saws, impact tools, reciprocating saws, drills, etc. and get very solid performance and long life. Excellent durability and never wish I had a cord tool +have a couple but never use them anymore).

I am interested in the new truck and like the electric for around town as I drive about 100 miles a day. Discussion of torque always going to be there, but the torque happens because of the electric motor. Exactly the same thing happens with the claims of towing capacity; always a sales point but who ever uses it on a daily basis (and show me someone with a 1500 who uses the the advertised max and I'll show you a bumper dragging on the ground)? Some people may jackrabbit from a light, but think most will just enjoy the ride and fuel savings if not running the gas engine too much. For me, the real bonus is when I travel I don't need to sit and wait for the batteries to charge but just fill the tank and drive. The most I drive in a day is about 900 miles, so perfectly positioned to let me travel like I do now, with just one quick stop.

 

[haleme]

I'm actually interested on the REV. I drive 120 miles a day and something like this would be nice to save on gas.

I would consider a second hand model in a few years after the bugs and recalls are sorted out. Don't want to be a RAM beta tester.

 

[reyokonova]

If Ram had really done this right, they basically should’ve followed the same approach Edison Motors has been working on for a few years now. Their whole setup is closer to how diesel-electric locomotives work: the diesel engine doesn’t actually drive the wheels, it just runs as a generator to charge the batteries, and the truck is driven entirely by electric motors.


That kind of system gives you the best of both worlds. You get full electric torque and regenerative braking, but you also eliminate range anxiety because as long as you’ve got diesel in the tank, you’ve got power. It’s basically an “infinite range” setup compared to a traditional battery-only EV.


Edison’s conversions even replace the whole driveline with electric axles and use a diesel generator purely to keep the batteries topped off, which is why they can maintain strong performance while still improving efficiency.


That’s why the Ramcharger (especially the rumored 570 setup) feels like they kind of missed the mark. It sounds like they’re still leaning on a more traditional hybrid approach instead of going full series-hybrid like Edison, where the engine is completely decoupled from the wheels.


Honestly, if it were me, I’d just take a 4th gen and do an Edison-style conversion and call it a day lol.

 

[haleme]

What you just described is exactly what the production Rev 1500 will be. All electric propelled truck with the V6 as an onboard generator that has no mechanical connection to the wheels.

The original Rev was to be an EV only truck and the Ramcharger was to be what the Rev 1500 has turned out to be be.

 

[crash68]

Ramcharger was to be what the Rev 1500 has turned out to be be

They switched names as there a good rumor that a SUV with Ram truck styling cues based on the same platform as the Jeep Grand Wagoneer is going to use the Ramcharger name. It's tentatively expected for the 2028 model year

 

[Z1_NEESTer]

Same way a locomotive does, with the addition of regenerative braking and a storage battery. Well, and it's gas rather than diesel.

Electric always drives the wheels. You get all the benefits of an electric drive in terms of efficiency, simplicity and instant torque. ICE drives the electric motor. You get all the benefits of ease of refueling with a liquid energy dense fuel.

You never *have* to charge the battery by plug in. Supposedly 10 minutes will give you 100 miles of range, but you can drive it on gas forever if you want to.

If they want to get real fancy, each wheel can have it's own motor and can run independently. Then you've got the ability to do things like neutral steer like a tracked vehicle, turning a complete 360 in place. The options for maneuverability that opens up for off road use is pretty damned cool. No more half measures of locking a wheel to drag for "trail turns".

It's a brilliant hybrid system that has worked for the railroads for more than 70 years. This is system works for most Americans who don't believe in full EV and want the power and torque of an EV without the range anxiety and charging headaches associated. The doubters don't see the benefits of this system. More than 400 miles to the tank, higher towing capacity and POWER!