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CHUCK31979

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I removed 4 of my grill shutters so my 3.6 pentastar in my 2014 would run cooler. My truck runs much cooler, but my thermostat never opens. Now the temp runs between 186 and 198. Any mechanics that could let me know the down side of the truck never running hot enough to open the thermostat.
 

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Your thermostat is more then likely working properly,otherwise your temps would be way higher then now. Temps would be 230 plus ,or more .if it maintained the temps listed your good. Someone likely changed yours to a lower temp as factory ride around 203*
 

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Clearances on engines are engineered for full operating temperature so you'll likely produce less power and get fewer miles per gallon with an undertemperature engine. And since the temperature will be controlled with less precision your engine temperature will fluctuate more which will mean a greater number of thermal cycles, this will accelerate the rate at which leaks develop as each part of the engine is growing and shrinking at slightly different rates.
 

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Your temps are fine. Lower than expected, but you're fine there.

If you want it to come back up a little, try replacing the thermostat with an OE replacement.
 

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Clearances on engines are engineered for full operating temperature so you'll likely produce less power and get fewer miles per gallon with an undertemperature engine. And since the temperature will be controlled with less precision your engine temperature will fluctuate more which will mean a greater number of thermal cycles, this will accelerate the rate at which leaks develop as each part of the engine is growing and shrinking at slightly different rates.

To add another example to it, think about your exhaust manifold bolts which swell and shrink constantly and then they do what? Break.
 
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Before I removed those four shutters my truck ran between 225 and 245, Winter or Summer
 

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Your shutter is not opening
That should be first fix
 

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Clearances on engines are engineered for full operating temperature so you'll likely produce less power and get fewer miles per gallon with an undertemperature engine. And since the temperature will be controlled with less precision your engine temperature will fluctuate more which will mean a greater number of thermal cycles, this will accelerate the rate at which leaks develop as each part of the engine is growing and shrinking at slightly different rates.

i’d listen to this guy, straight out of my book lol!
 

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Before I removed those four shutters my truck ran between 225 and 245, Winter or Summer

@CHUCK31979 I had a 2014 Bighorn Pentastar and truck ran hot factory temps like yours until it started running 265 and going into hi temp alarm condition on the dash.

It was a nightmare getting FCA to step up to the plate and fix it. Luckily I had an extended warranty. Eventually they ended up buying the truck back. You can search my posts for the horror story.

Anyway I never, ever felt good about an engine running 225 degrees plus. It always smelled like it was cooking when I shut it off.

The Pentastar has a long history of poor cooling due to small channels in the heads. Search for early Pentastar V6 issues in the Jeeps and Cherokee’s and you’ll find them.

If your temp is only swinging 13 degrees or so in normal running I’d let it go and run the lower temps. I even with the full factory setup the temps will swing 13 degrees.


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tfeni52355, My truck always smelled like that. It put off so much heat when I got out, even after a short trip, it would reach 225-230 in less than 5 minutes. I was told stock thermostat temp is between 203 and 210. The temp of my truck never dipped around those temps.
 
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Hello guys, I rarely talk on forums but I have recently seen a lot of comments posted on AGS lately and I thought I would chime in. If the AGS is working properly you will see no temperature rise out of the ordinary with AGS. I am dumbfounded by why anyone would deactivate or bypass this system. Big commercial over the road trucks have been using a form of AGS for over 60 years. Its a proven performer as far as gas savings and aerodynamics go. Tractor trailer trucks all over the country have been using the AGS for a very, very long time. I think if AGS had a problem with over heating engines, or any other issues of concern, they would of discontinued the AGS 60 years ago and billions of miles ago.
There is more than enough air entering the grill area to cool the engine normally. The shutters begin to open around 203 F so the engine can get to operating temperature sooner. This is needed for good fuel economy and more power. Engine tolerances and clearances are optimal at these higher temperatures. Engine oils are made to operate at these higher temperatures. Synthetic oils can operate above 300 F easily without problems.
Many inputs are provided to the ECM to open or close the shutters and coolant temperature is one of them. Engine speed, oil temperature, air conditioner and several other inputs to name a few.
When you read temperature on the temperature gage the error tolerance is normally +/- 5% , which means you can be looking at an acceptable gage error tolerance of a difference 20 degrees. For an example, an actual temperature may be 200 degrees, low tolerance would be 190 degrees and high tolerance would be 210 degrees. Keep in mind, these instrument gages are not calibrated.
If your AGS is operating normally, you do not need to remove any shutters or deactivate the AGS system to maintain the engine at normal operating temperature. It will make no difference in temperature with or without AGS at that time, because the shutters are wide open anyway before the engine starts to get to hot. Actually, lowering engine temperatures will do more harm than good. Oil temperatures will not reach 212 degrees to boil off the water condensation that normally accumulates in the crankcase overnight or cooler weather. Water will result in acids and sludge forming in the oil.
We should not compare modern engine temperatures with older engine temperatures from decades ago. Years ago engines were made from cast iron. Their tolerance and metal material was much different than they are made now. Older cast iron engines are terrible at transferring heat with the metal components compared to today’s modern aluminum engines. If you recall, old bath tubs were made deliberately of cast iron, which would keep the water in tub hotter much longer than other metals.
Piston rings must maintain a certain temperature to meet optimal efficiency with the cylinder etc. After the engine gets to operating temperatures, the sooner richer fuel mixtures can stop entering into the cylinders, thus saving fuel and making the engine oils and engine last longer. Stoichiometric in physics tells us just adding fuel without correct air ratio decreases the effectiveness of combustion, thus, less power. When an engine is less than operating temperatures, the fuel mixture must remain rich to burn, thus, produces less power.
I would like to clarify, I am talking about trucks and cars that are in production to be used on roads and highways etc. I am not talking about race engines built for track with different compositions.
 
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With +/-5% the 225-245 degrees would mean 203-252 degree swing. My truck never dropped below 225, by my reading. I thought it was the thermostat. I know this engine runs hotter than my other vechicles. I removed the 4 shutters to lower the temps, I replaced 2 of them. I finally found a 195 degree themostst to replace the stock one. I will replace the last two shutters depending on how the temps. run. A 8 degree drop from stock shouldn't hurt.
 

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I run a 180 T-stat with the shutters pulled and it runs at 185-190. No issues, runs great



I ran one in my 09 for 8 years and it had tune so I was able to have the fan turn on at the correct temp and it was fine. Never got over 190.
 
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