Any way to add rear-differential-lock-only switch on 1500?

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Hi there. I have a 2021 Classic Warlock. Ever since I got the truck I have been confused on why it didn't come from the factory with a rear only Dif lock. There's only 2wd, 4 low, and 4 lock on my center console. I have been wondering if it is possible to jig up a switch that can lock the rear differential independently from the front while the truck is in 2wd. One would think that this would be totally possible as the truck can already lock the rear differential, albeit only simultaneously with the front differential. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated. Im sure somebody out there has attempted this right?
 

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I have a 2021 Classic Warlock. Ever since I got the truck I have been confused on why it didn't come from the factory with a rear only Dif lock. There's only 2wd, 4 low, and 4 lock on my center console. I have been wondering if it is possible to jig up a switch that can lock the rear differential independently from the front while the truck is in 2wd.
The Gen4 trucks (including Classics) did not have an electric locking rear differential option like the Gen5 trucks. You do have the BW44-45 transfer case which is the better one for off-roading.
Do you know if the truck has the factory limited slip differential, would be listed as anti-spin differential on the vehicle options.
If your set on having a locking rear differential, there is always the ARB air locker but the more useful/useable choice would be a Tru-Trac helical-gear style limited-slip differential.
 

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You do have the BW44-45 transfer case which is the better one for off-roading.

That may be true for guys who want to go out counting eagles and sparrows on weekend fun runs with buddys. But you live and drive in snowy winter environments routinely, there really isn't an AWD or "Full-Time" feature (using Dodge/Jeep language) on that xfer case that a driver really needs to safely drive on common mixed-road situations (snowy and dry) over the course of a daily commute. Like we commonly get in the upper midwest during the winter. On days like that yer either constantly shifting in and out all the time, or dealing with axle wind-up and binding till you just leave it in 2wd most of the time. On days where you have a LOT of snow...the fully locked system is nice. But those events are much more rare than mixed-road (snow/dry) winter driving.

I'm not actually sure the 44-45 the *best* xfer case for off-roading. Most of the time you're not going through boulders on the Rubicon Trail. For a lot of off-roading you don't really want wind-up when you're turning a sharp corner on a mountain trail but could still use added traction on loose rock on a steep hill. For a lot of trail driving a guy would be shifting in/out a lot and leaving it in 2wd most of the time. Until you get to the bigger obstacles. So basically you have a 2wd truck with 4wd ability...when temporarily needed.

I think Dodge missed a huge opportunity by not offering a "SelecTrac" type of manual xfer case (best of both worlds). But I guess those can be swapped in. Something I've considered in my tk.

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Do a search on the forum and there is a fellow (can't recall name off top of my 75 year old head) that has a mod that essentially locks the xfer case into a true 4x4, instead of the shifting back and forth between the axles. I installed it in my '16 and it works great, especially on slimy boat ramps.

The mod consists of a wiring harness, a switch, a relay and a fuse. Took 15 minutes to install.

If unsure if vehicle is equipped with limited slip, To test, jack rear wheels off ground and leave in park and try to spin one wheel. If it's not limited slip, wheels will spin in opposite direction. If it is limited slip, they won't turn under moderate effort.
 
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Hi there. I have a 2021 Classic Warlock. Ever since I got the truck I have been confused on why it didn't come from the factory with a rear only Dif lock. There's only 2wd, 4 low, and 4 lock on my center console. I have been wondering if it is possible to jig up a switch that can lock the rear differential independently from the front while the truck is in 2wd. One would think that this would be totally possible as the truck can already lock the rear differential, albeit only simultaneously with the front differential. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated. Im sure somebody out there has attempted this right?
I do believe we are seeing a mixup in terminolgy here.
You say you have Classic Warlock. So your transfer case has 2wd high, 4wd high, nuetral, and 4wd lo.
These are all part time modes.

It sounds like what you are desiring is an "auto" or full time AWD, in which case you have the wrong vehicle.

To the best of my knowledge it does not have a diff lock in either end and especially in both,
 

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Do a search on the forum and there is a fellow (can't recall name off top of my 75 year old head) that has a mod that essentially locks the xfer case into a true 4x4, instead of the shifting back and forth between the axles. I installed it in my '16 and it works great, especially on slimy boat ramps.

The mod consists of a wiring harness, a switch, a relay and a fuse. Took 15 minutes to install.

If unsure if vehicle is equipped with limited slip, To test, jack rear wheels off ground and leave in park and try to spin one wheel. If it's not limited slip, wheels will spin in opposite direction. If it is limited slip, they won't turn under moderate effort.
@Brandon-w is the guy i think you're referring to
 

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Hi there. I have a 2021 Classic Warlock. Ever since I got the truck I have been confused on why it didn't come from the factory with a rear only Dif lock. There's only 2wd, 4 low, and 4 lock on my center console. I have been wondering if it is possible to jig up a switch that can lock the rear differential independently from the front while the truck is in 2wd. One would think that this would be totally possible as the truck can already lock the rear differential, albeit only simultaneously with the front differential. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated. Im sure somebody out there has attempted this right?

There is no center differential on these trucks and neither the front nor rear differential has a locking mechanism in it. I think perhaps you're on the new side when it comes to 4wd hardware and that's not meant as an insult at all, just an observation so let's get this sorted.

The word "Lock" in the 4x4 mode selector does not really carry the same meaning as the term "Locker" in the context of an axle's differential because there is no differential in this transfer case to begin with. Your transfer case always connects the output shaft of the transmission to your rear driveshaft no matter what mode you're in other than neutral. In 2H your front driveshaft is decoupled (100% disconnected) from engine torque. In 4H or 4L the front driveshaft is locked to the rear driveshaft and to the output of the transmission.

This is different from a locker that some trucks might have in their front or rear (or both) differentials because in an axle both wheels are already connected to engine power so the role of a locker there is not to couple or decouple the wheel to engine power, just to its neighbor wheel. That kind of locker was never offered in 4th gen 1500's so there is nothing to "switch".

These trucks were available with a rear limited slip differential and they all (starting in ~2013) came with BLD & the BLD feature plays very nicely with the limited slip to make it behave almost like a full locker; albeit reactive rather than proactive.
You can't switch either of these things on or off, it's always there. BLD can only function on a driven axle so when you're in 2wd BLD is only going to work on the rear axle.

If you have the limited slip differential (LSD, also called "anti spin" by Ram) it's a clutch type unit and it has no controls or electronics it operates strictly on mechanical interference. When your rear wheels resist force from the engine the kingpin pushes against a cam (ramp) and that mashes clutches against the inside of the carrier and attempts to lock the left and right wheels together. On older trucks this feature would include a preload so that it can function when one of your rear wheels has zero traction but when BLD was introduced the preload was no longer necessary so they eliminated that which makes the clutches and oil last longer, reduces heat and saves a teeny bit of fuel. On your truck (assuming you have the limited slip differential) when the ABS tone rings identify one wheel is spinning freely it will apply the brakes to that wheel which will cause the limited slip differential to attempt to bind and behave like a real lock between the left and right wheels. Because of the involvement of the truck's service brakes this locks up the LSD much tighter than conventional spring-preload-only LSD's typically can.

BLD stands for Brake Locked Differential and that's Ram's (and Jeep's) name for off-road traction control. Ram didn't pioneer it (I think that credit goes to Mitsubishi) and they all work pretty much the same way and without getting too far in the weeds with it, it's just an off-road oriented calibration for traction control that remains active even when the speed-limiting feature of traction control is turned off. Just about every modern car will use individual wheel braking along with overriding throttle control to try to prevent wheel spin, keep the car driving in the direction you've pointed the steering wheel and hopefully send power to whichever wheel has traction - the difference that BLD brings to the table is that it continues to work when you use the button in your dashboard to turn off traction control. In that mode BLD doesn't attempt to limit throttle it only cares that both wheels on the same axle are going the same speed as each other so if you're in mud and leaning on the throttle when one wheel is spinning freely it will apply the brakes to that wheel and try to make the other wheel begin operating. You can look up videos on BLD on youtube most of them will show it working on Jeep vehicles but your 2021 Warlock has the same feature regardless of whether it has LSD.

It is not possible to (cleanly) turn off BLD with a switch, you could technically disable it by switching off your ABS entirely (or interrupting signal from one wheel speed sensor) but that would light up your dashboard and not reset itself automatically when you flip the switch back. You could also disable it using JSCAN or AlfaOBD, but that's a lot of steps on your phone not a simple on/off switch.

I think the implied question here is why you want to switch "locking" off/on to begin with. Is there something your truck is not doing well enough, or you just want the same switch your buddy's tacoma has, or something else?
 
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I think Dodge missed a huge opportunity by not offering a "SelecTrac" type of manual xfer case (best of both worlds). But I guess those can be swapped in. Something I've considered in my tk.

I miss having a 5 position transfer case with an actual center differential gearset (not a simulation using PWM on a clutch like nearly everything uses these days). Had that on a couple Monteros, 2H, actual AWD, 4H-Lock, Neutral, 4L-Lock. Having the front and rear axles already sharing torque through a center diff means instead of detecting wheel slip and responding to it the wheel slip never happened in the first place, and when there's so little traction that wheels do begin spinning it's as analog as the dirt under your wheels so the driver can usually feel what's happening and drive accordingly. I think the new Land Cruiser (250) has a proper center diff.

If unsure if vehicle is equipped with limited slip, To test, jack rear wheels off ground and leave in park and try to spin one wheel. If it's not limited slip, wheels will spin in opposite direction. If it is limited slip, they won't turn under moderate effort.

That was true on older vehicles, they eliminated the preload on BLD-equipped trucks to reduce wear and save fuel. It feels like an open diff in this test even if the LSD is present and fully functional.
 
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There is no center differential on these trucks and neither the front nor rear differential has a locking mechanism in it. I think perhaps you're on the new side when it comes to 4wd hardware and that's not meant as an insult at all, just an observation so let's get this sorted.

The word "Lock" in the 4x4 mode selector does not really carry the same meaning as the term "Locker" in the context of an axle's differential because there is no differential in this transfer case to begin with. Your transfer case always connects the output shaft of the transmission to your rear driveshaft no matter what mode you're in other than neutral. In 2H your front driveshaft is decoupled (100% disconnected) from engine torque. In 4H or 4L the front driveshaft is locked to the rear driveshaft and to the output of the transmission.

This is different from a locker that some trucks might have in their front or rear (or both) differentials because in an axle both wheels are already connected to engine power so the role of a locker there is not to couple or decouple the wheel to engine power, just to its neighbor wheel. That kind of locker was never offered in 4th gen 1500's so there is nothing to "switch".

These trucks were available with a rear limited slip differential and they all (starting in ~2013) came with BLD & the BLD feature plays very nicely with the limited slip to make it behave almost like a full locker; albeit reactive rather than proactive.
You can't switch either of these things on or off, it's always there. BLD can only function on a driven axle so when you're in 2wd BLD is only going to work on the rear axle.

If you have the limited slip differential (LSD, also called "anti spin" by Ram) it's a clutch type unit and it has no controls or electronics it operates strictly on mechanical interference. When your rear wheels resist force from the engine the kingpin pushes against a cam (ramp) and that mashes clutches against the inside of the carrier and attempts to lock the left and right wheels together. On older trucks this feature would include a preload so that it can function when one of your rear wheels has zero traction but when BLD was introduced the preload was no longer necessary so they eliminated that which makes the clutches and oil last longer, reduces heat and saves a teeny bit of fuel. On your truck (assuming you have the limited slip differential) when the ABS tone rings identify one wheel is spinning freely it will apply to the brakes to that wheel which will cause the limited slip differential to attempt to bind and behave like a real lock between the left and right wheels. Because of the involvement of the truck's service brakes this locks up the LSD much tighter than conventional spring-preload-only LSD's typically can.

BLD stands for Brake Locked Differential and that's Ram's (and Jeep's) name for off-road traction control. Ram didn't pioneer it (I think that credit goes to Mitsubishi) and they all work pretty much the same way and without getting too far in the weeds with it, it's just an off-road oriented calibration for traction control that remains active even when the speed-limiting feature of traction control is turned off. Just about every modern car will use individual wheel braking along with overriding throttle control to try to prevent wheel spin, keep the car driving in the direction you've pointed the steering wheel and hopefully send power to whichever wheel has traction - the difference that BLD brings to the table is that it continues to work when you use the button in your dashboard to turn off traction control. In that mode BLD doesn't attempt to limit throttle it only cares that both wheels on the same axle are going the same speed as each other so if you're in mud and leaning on the throttle when one wheel is spinning freely it will apply the brakes to that wheel and try to make the other wheel begin operating. You can look up videos on BLD on youtube most of them will show it working on Jeep vehicles but your 2021 Warlock has the same feature regardless of whether it has LSD.

It is not possible to (cleanly) turn off BLD with a switch, you could technically disable it by switching off your ABS entirely (or interrupting signal from one wheel speed sensor) but that would light up your dashboard and not reset itself automatically when you flip the switch back. You could also disable it using JSCAN or AlfaOBD, but that's a lot of steps on your phone not a simple on/off switch.

I think the implied question here is why you want to switch "locking" off/on to begin with. Is there something your truck is not doing well enough, or you just want the same switch your buddy's tacoma has, or something else?
Spend a few minutes and watch both of these video's.These are actual video's on Rams BLD,it's not quite as good as you make it out to be
The first video,you can fast forward to about the 7 min mark if you want.




 
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Spend a few minutes and watch both of these video's.These are actual video's on Rams BLD,it's not quite as good as you make it out to be
The first video,you can fast forward to about the 7 min mark if you want.

I hate when my own first-hand experience across multiple vehicles ends up having been wrong the whole time and I'm actually still stuck on that mountainside and the last 10 years of my life including my honeymoon, my career changes, moving across country and even this very conversation right here have all been hallucinations I had while dying of exposure stuck in the wilderness because BLD didn't work.
 

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I hate when my own first-hand experience across multiple vehicles ends up having been wrong the whole time and I'm actually still stuck on that mountainside and the last 10 years of my life including my honeymoon, my career changes, moving across country and even this very conversation right here have all been hallucinations I had while dying of exposure stuck in the wilderness because BLD didn't work.
Sucks to be you then doesn't it :Big Laugh:
Hard to discount the video's isn't it,when they prove it's not as good as you think it is;)
You've been harping on the BLD system for quite awhile,but in the real world it's not exactly all that great,it might be a touch better then nothing,but it still leaves a $h!tload to be desired when push comes to shove and you actually need it to work
 

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Sucks to be you then doesn't it :Big Laugh:
Hard to discount the video's isn't it,when they prove it's not as good as you think it is;)
You've been harping on the BLD system for quite awhile,but in the real world it's not exactly all that great,it might be a touch better then nothing,but it still leaves a $h!tload to be desired when push comes to shove and you actually need it to work

Show me one time I ever said it was superior to a real locker. We're both grown ass men, we don't need to pretend not to understand each other here just to insert drama into our lives.
 
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The Gen4 trucks (including Classics) did not have an electric locking rear differential option like the Gen5 trucks. You do have the BW44-45 transfer case which is the better one for off-roading.
Do you know if the truck has the factory limited slip differential, would be listed as anti-spin differential on the vehicle options.
If your set on having a locking rear differential, there is always the ARB air locker but the more useful/useable choice would be a Tru-Trac helical-gear style limited-slip differential.
Thanks for your response. I am unsure if my truck has the limited slip differential. I got it used. I will have to check by jacking the truck up and trying that method. I have tried to test if I have one my purposely losing traction in some dirt spots and from what I can tell/feel while driving, it seems very hard to get both wheels to transfer power without the inside wheel taking all the power from the engine.
 

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Show me one time I ever said it was superior to a real locker. We're both grown ass men, we don't need to pretend not to understand each other here just to insert drama into our lives.
All i did was post video's that disprove your theory on how well the BLD system operates in the real world,you're the one coming a bit unglued, because the video's basically throw a monkey wrench into your BLD theory.
You should maybe take it up with the guy who made the video's and tell him he's wrong,telling me he's wrong isn't accomplishing anything,as i tend to agree with him,more then i agree with you :Big Laugh:
 
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I do believe we are seeing a mixup in terminolgy here.
You say you have Classic Warlock. So your transfer case has 2wd high, 4wd high, nuetral, and 4wd lo.
These are all part time modes.

It sounds like what you are desiring is an "auto" or full time AWD, in which case you have the wrong vehicle.

To the best of my knowledge it does not have a diff lock in either end and especially in both,
Partially. What I am mainly looking to be able to do is only lock the rear differential while in the rear wheel drive mode on the transfer case. I.E in order to have some fun on the backroads and make it easier to swing the rear out. I do not believe I have a LSD installed on my truck which is why I was hoping there was a way to figure out a way to only lock the rear differential. Might be easier just to get an LSD.
 
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There is no center differential on these trucks and neither the front nor rear differential has a locking mechanism in it. I think perhaps you're on the new side when it comes to 4wd hardware and that's not meant as an insult at all, just an observation so let's get this sorted.

The word "Lock" in the 4x4 mode selector does not really carry the same meaning as the term "Locker" in the context of an axle's differential because there is no differential in this transfer case to begin with. Your transfer case always connects the output shaft of the transmission to your rear driveshaft no matter what mode you're in other than neutral. In 2H your front driveshaft is decoupled (100% disconnected) from engine torque. In 4H or 4L the front driveshaft is locked to the rear driveshaft and to the output of the transmission.

This is different from a locker that some trucks might have in their front or rear (or both) differentials because in an axle both wheels are already connected to engine power so the role of a locker there is not to couple or decouple the wheel to engine power, just to its neighbor wheel. That kind of locker was never offered in 4th gen 1500's so there is nothing to "switch".

These trucks were available with a rear limited slip differential and they all (starting in ~2013) came with BLD & the BLD feature plays very nicely with the limited slip to make it behave almost like a full locker; albeit reactive rather than proactive.
You can't switch either of these things on or off, it's always there. BLD can only function on a driven axle so when you're in 2wd BLD is only going to work on the rear axle.

If you have the limited slip differential (LSD, also called "anti spin" by Ram) it's a clutch type unit and it has no controls or electronics it operates strictly on mechanical interference. When your rear wheels resist force from the engine the kingpin pushes against a cam (ramp) and that mashes clutches against the inside of the carrier and attempts to lock the left and right wheels together. On older trucks this feature would include a preload so that it can function when one of your rear wheels has zero traction but when BLD was introduced the preload was no longer necessary so they eliminated that which makes the clutches and oil last longer, reduces heat and saves a teeny bit of fuel. On your truck (assuming you have the limited slip differential) when the ABS tone rings identify one wheel is spinning freely it will apply the brakes to that wheel which will cause the limited slip differential to attempt to bind and behave like a real lock between the left and right wheels. Because of the involvement of the truck's service brakes this locks up the LSD much tighter than conventional spring-preload-only LSD's typically can.

BLD stands for Brake Locked Differential and that's Ram's (and Jeep's) name for off-road traction control. Ram didn't pioneer it (I think that credit goes to Mitsubishi) and they all work pretty much the same way and without getting too far in the weeds with it, it's just an off-road oriented calibration for traction control that remains active even when the speed-limiting feature of traction control is turned off. Just about every modern car will use individual wheel braking along with overriding throttle control to try to prevent wheel spin, keep the car driving in the direction you've pointed the steering wheel and hopefully send power to whichever wheel has traction - the difference that BLD brings to the table is that it continues to work when you use the button in your dashboard to turn off traction control. In that mode BLD doesn't attempt to limit throttle it only cares that both wheels on the same axle are going the same speed as each other so if you're in mud and leaning on the throttle when one wheel is spinning freely it will apply the brakes to that wheel and try to make the other wheel begin operating. You can look up videos on BLD on youtube most of them will show it working on Jeep vehicles but your 2021 Warlock has the same feature regardless of whether it has LSD.

It is not possible to (cleanly) turn off BLD with a switch, you could technically disable it by switching off your ABS entirely (or interrupting signal from one wheel speed sensor) but that would light up your dashboard and not reset itself automatically when you flip the switch back. You could also disable it using JSCAN or AlfaOBD, but that's a lot of steps on your phone not a simple on/off switch.

I think the implied question here is why you want to switch "locking" off/on to begin with. Is there something your truck is not doing well enough, or you just want the same switch your buddy's tacoma has, or something else?
Thanks for this. That makes a lot of sense. You are correct in that I did not know that there is no actual locking part of the front and rear differential's. It seems like the most effective way of getting my truck to act in the way I am looking for is to install a limited slip differential if it does not already have it (Ignore my reply above this message). Is there a way to successfully check if my truck has a limited slip differential (if the aforementioned method is no longer applicable)?
 

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I am unsure if my truck has the limited slip differential.
Try searching your VIN number here:
(use all capital letters)
This will give you a PFD of the vehicle build sheet(how it left the factory)
 

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Thanks for your response. I am unsure if my truck has the limited slip differential. I got it used. I will have to check by jacking the truck up and trying that method. I have tried to test if I have one my purposely losing traction in some dirt spots and from what I can tell/feel while driving, it seems very hard to get both wheels to transfer power without the inside wheel taking all the power from the engine.
There really is no easy way to tell if you have a limited slip by driving or testing it,as they don't use a preload limited slip anymore.If you can't find out by running your VIN or by finding the original window sticker, you should be able to take your VIN to your local dealers parts department,they should be able to look up whether your truck has the limited slip rear diff. If all else fails you can pull the rear diff cover and actually look and see if it has the limited slip unit in the carrier
 

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your BLD theory.

I don't remember presenting any theories. I described how the equipment functions. Some guy buried in the snow with an axe to grind is hardly empirical. I have no idea why you're salty about this but it's really weird.
 
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