Asking for a courtesy vehicle from the dealership

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The short answer... You shouldn't.

It's a used truck. Batteries may test good today and be bad tomorrow. If you bought it with a warranty, then maybe (depending upon what the warranty calls for) but if you bought it as-is with no warranty you are on your own.

The issues were not caused by the dealership.

Cabin air filters are a 5 minute replacement. First thing I do when I buy a vehicle.
Batteries go bad.
Suspensions wear out over time. Assuming you put some miles on it in the year that you owned it since buying from the dealer.

It looks like they did the header work for you, so be thankful. They probably weren't liable for them depending on the paperwork you signed.


At the end of the day if your first response to them not reacting quickly enough was to blast them on Google reviews, they're not going to be inclined to help you. You immediately come across to them as a trouble customer. Sometimes it's better to let someone take their business elsewhere.

Not trying to be rude.. just honest. That's the assumptions I'm making from reading your post and having worked for a dealership in the past.
Friend,

I gave them a bad review on Google not because they didn't "act quickly enough," but because they flat out refused to reimburse me for the battery that died the day after it was sold to me. I removed the bad review after they agreed to reimburse me.

The cabin air filter being dirty is just further proof that they did not inspect this vehicle. Replacing isn't the issue. The issue is that its a sign that a proper inspection of what they advertised as a Certified Pre-Owned wasn't done.

Per Ram's own statement on their Certified vehicles:

"All Ram Brand certified pre-owned trucks and vans go through a detailed 169-point inspection by trained Ram Brand technicians—covering all aspects of the vehicle, inside and out, from the wheels and undercarriage to the engine, steering, paint condition and more. They’re then reconditioned using authentic Ram Brand parts, to make sure they function just as beautifully as they look."

It is quite obvious that none of this was done.

We pay extra for certified vehicles. There are aftermarket parts on this supposedly inspected and certified truck that failed. So it is your stance that I should be grateful that they didn't do their job to begin with?

And yes, the suspension issues were directly caused by them when they replaced the headers (which never should have been on the truck in the first place). They told me that it was. Did you not read the service order I posted earlier?

I think because you once worked at a dealership, you feel some need to defend them.
 

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"certified" is usually a gimmick to make you pay for some shop time to keep their shop going. I have only bought used a few times but have refused to pay anything for "certified". they always say "well it has already been done" so I get em to cut the price some more. a current scam they have is 3 year exterior coating for 1000-1200$. like in 3 years I would ever spend that much money on wax and polish.
 

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Friend,

I gave them a bad review on Google not because they didn't "act quickly enough," but because they flat out refused to reimburse me for the battery that died the day after it was sold to me. I removed the bad review after they agreed to reimburse me.

The cabin air filter being dirty is just further proof that they did not inspect this vehicle. Replacing isn't the issue. The issue is that its a sign that a proper inspection of what they advertised as a Certified Pre-Owned wasn't done.

Per Ram's own statement on their Certified vehicles:

"All Ram Brand certified pre-owned trucks and vans go through a detailed 169-point inspection by trained Ram Brand technicians—covering all aspects of the vehicle, inside and out, from the wheels and undercarriage to the engine, steering, paint condition and more. They’re then reconditioned using authentic Ram Brand parts, to make sure they function just as beautifully as they look."

It is quite obvious that none of this was done.

We pay extra for certified vehicles. There are aftermarket parts on this supposedly inspected and certified truck that failed. So it is your stance that I should be grateful that they didn't do their job to begin with?

And yes, the suspension issues were directly caused by them when they replaced the headers (which never should have been on the truck in the first place). They told me that it was. Did you not read the service order I posted earlier?

I think because you once worked at a dealership, you feel some need to defend them.
I don't defend anyone from a dealership, and I've had my share of bad ones.

Does the 169 point inspection specifically say that they're going to replace a cabin air filter? Those inspections are essentially safety inspections and general maintenance such as lube, brakes, tires, etc.. If something falls within spec, they leave it alone. If it's not on the list it doesn't get checked. I've NEVER seen ANY dealership replace a cabin air filter as part of their inspection. I've probably owned 50-60 vehicles of EVERY brand. Never happened once. Heck, it wasn't that long ago that Rams didn't even come with cabin filters.

The inspection does not require them to replace aftermarket exhaust components with factory components if it is functioning properly at the time. That is NOT a requirement to certify a vehicle. I'm sorry if you believe that it is, but maybe call the dealership and ask them. IF they have to replace a part, they replace it with a factory Ram part.

If the battery died the day after, why would you expect them to replace it? If they did, it would be as a courtesy but it is not a requirement. Again, if it tested good during the inspection and then sat on a lot for a period of time it happens. I would hardly blame that on a dealer.

How would suspension issues be caused by the dealer when they replaced the headers? (There's no service order posted that I can see) IF they inspected, found worn/loose components and adjusted them then yes.. you should be thankful.

Again... you said you purchased it a year prior to having this work done. If it's not under warranty, then they are under no requirement to help you.

You haven't answered a couple of basic questions:

1) Did the CPO truck come with a warranty? If yes, what specifically does that warranty cover? (BTW... Maxcare DOES allow for rental car reimbursement)
2) How many miles have you driven it between the time you bought it and the time you took it in for the suspension work?


I'm all for shotgun blasting a dealer who has done a shoddy job and just won't help but it really does look like the dealership did try to help. Don't take offense to what I am saying. I am just looking at what's been said and trying to look at this from both sides. We need more information.

How many miles were on the truck when you bought it?
 

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Just some friendly advice for your next used truck.... check the oil, filters, under the hood etc. It is frustrating to hear you bought a truck, specifically a Hemi, without knowing the manifolds had been replaced with headers and after market exhaust?? Did you even test drive the truck?
 

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Dodge Dealerships use to give you a 3 Day Coupon for a Rental Car. Its value was $28 a day for an Economy car

In January 2009, i bought a new Ram

It broke down, because during a routine Oil change, they did not inspect the fluid level of the rear differential & they had to rebuild the rear end, It is a longish story, but 100% their mistakes.

Because i had a truck, they would not give me a coupon & Enterprise refused to accept a car coupon for a truck.

I raised such a fuss, that one of the Enterprise Employees, drove out to their Ranch & brought in an old green Ford pickup.
They bed still had Straw in it, they did not blow the Cab out
They wrote it up as a Enterprise Vehicle & wrote down all the damage & took pix.

I made run to Home Depot & picked up lumber & plywood.
Unloaded it, opened the hood because it was running a bit hot. It turns out the radiator core was full of Hay & Bees.

When i returned the rental truck, i warned them, that they needed to blow out the radiator
 

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This is not the all encompassing checklist since they've upped from the 125 to 169 point inspection, but this does encompass all of your complaints.

As a side note - you can get a CPO vehicle that has been in an accident before. The only requirement for a truck that has been in an accident to qualify for CPO is that the truck has a carfax report with it and that IF there were any accidents they were repaired back to the OEM specs. Did you know that?

OP - I've highlighted a couple of key points for you.

Aftermarket parts:
Qualification standards #5: Aftermarket accessories do not compromise safety, emissions or operation of vehicle.
Maintenance standards #83: Identify non-Mopar, accessories in Additional Information box. - Identify, not replace.

Cabin air filter - This is why it isn't replaced. If there were no smells they aren't going to replace it.
Detail standards #125: Free of odors/moisture and water leaks.

Battery - Like I said before, if it tested good during the inspection... it was checked off as good.
Maintenance Standards #15: Battery condition/load test


CPO Checklist 2.PNG
 

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I'll one up that checklist in regards to the cabin filter. Here are the snippets from Ford/Lincoln, GM/Chevy, Toyota, and Nissan.


Lincoln CPO checklist.PNGGM CPO checklist.PNGNissan CPO checklist.PNGToyota CPO checklist.PNG
 

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The issue usually is they just don't have enough to go around. My wife's jeep just spent a week and a half at the dealer for warranty repair and we did not get a loaner. Service writer tried but they simply didn't have enough to go around. They usually only have a couple at most. Have to remember that comes out of their pocket and times are tough right now all the way around.
This. My wife raised Holy Hell about getting a loaner when they kept her 21 Pacifica for several days, 3 times, trying to diagnose an issue. Didn't ever get one. Lack of supply, lots of demand equals luck of the draw.
 
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