Did you guys read the pickup reliability rankings out? RAM came in last....

[Gemeni06]

Many have a misunderstanding on how the business world works. Companies owe nothing to their customers. They only owe their shareholders a profit. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Shareholders keep the company afloat. Only when customer concerns cut into company profit will the company address customer issues. At some point critical mass will be reached when customers will be unable or unwilling to pay any more for a monster truck loaded with bells and whistles. They'll adapt to it. They'll still buy trucks but will downside their expectations. And companies will adapt to this by selling less expensive trucks. AKA, no more monster trucks loaded with bells and whistles.

 

[Buddy]

Yeah, case in point refrigerators. Our primary frig failed at the end of May and had to be replaced after about 10.5 years service. While we have two over 20 yrs old smaller Sears Kenmore models (one in garage, one in finished basement) that keep chugging along. When we bought a new main level refrigerator in early June we were told to expect about 7 to 10 years service. Jeez!

Oh yea, we are outright told fridges, washers, dryers, etc, "yea if you get 10 years out of it your doing good. Come on over here and let me show you our NEW improved models this year, now with 5 year life expectancy"
And people that have 40 year old tanks as beer fridges get the "oh that old power sucker"... but dude, it's still sucking... thats like the early stages of marriage that just stayed there!!

 

[Burla]

Because the Maverick is an excellent vehicle and is mature enough that recalls have addressed what issues it had. Consumer Reports is hardly unique in their rating. Find anyone saying otherwise in the automotive media, including those that do long term test fleets.

GM screwed the pooch with QC on crankshafts and it's beyond intelligent debate that RAM reliability took a massive dump with the switch to Atlantis. Ford's got a more mature product right now. Let them come out with a new generation and they'll have teething pains as well. The 2.7EB is one of the most dead nuts reliable motors on the market right now, with the 3.5L not far behind.

fair enough, now add to the fact the highest ranking non Ford had a rating of 40/100 the tundra, so the highest rating truck just went through a redesign that also wait for it, dropped a v8. Plus as a group, clearly pick up trucks are not what CR wants you to buy. But if you do they really want you to buy one with a diaper on it or a non v8. Exactly what most truck guys have less interest in. Now Ford got 43/100 on 2026.

Example number ten on their sedan list is Mazda 3 reliability scored 74/100 keep going up to #2 Honda Accord score 96/100, Toyota crown #1 = 99/100 reliability scored. So the best truck out of the field is 43/100 but the sedans best is 99/100. It's fake isht, total joke, war on trucks and people that drive them. they use everything including negotiable reliability scores to social engineer the world. My guess is if you talked to them they would rate consumers like soy bean eaters much higher then steak eaters. It's a scam. consumer reports has zero credibility. Have at it boys, enjoy the thread for the humor source it is. 16 years my RAM had one AC issue paid under warranty that's it.

If you add the abbrev for Consumer Reports with the fake news Associated Press, you can see where I went with that.

 

[Buddy]

fair enough, now add to the fact the highest ranking non Ford had a rating of 40/100 the tundra, so the highest rating truck just went through a redesign that also wait for it, dropped a v8. Plus as a group, clearly pick up trucks are not what CR wants you to buy. But if you do they really want you to buy one with a diaper on it or a non v8. Exactly what most truck guys have less interest in. Now Ford got 43/100 on 2026.

Example number ten on their sedan list is Mazda 3 reliability scored 74/100 keep going up to #2 Honda Accord score 96/100, Toyota crown #1 = 99/100 reliability scored. So the best truck out of the field is 43/100 but the sedans best is 99/100. It's fake isht, total joke, war on trucks and people that drive them. they use everything including negotiable reliability scores to social engineer the world. My guess is if you talked to them they would rate consumers like soy bean eaters much higher then steak eaters. It's a scam. consumer reports has zero credibility. Have at it boys, enjoy the thread for the humor source it is. 16 years my RAM had one AC issue paid under warranty that's it.

If you add the abbrev for Consumer Reports with the fake news Associated Press, you can see where I went with that.

CR has been a paid advertisement for years. Maybe they started out with good intentions? But it changed to just something to read for entertainment purposes (when they had their magazine on shelves)

 

[Docwagon1776]

fair enough, now add to the fact the highest ranking non Ford had a rating of 40/100 the tundra, so the highest rating truck just went through a redesign that also wait for it, dropped a v8. Plus as a group, clearly pick up trucks are not what CR wants you to buy. But if you do they really want you to buy one with a diaper on it or a non v8. Exactly what most truck guys have less interest in. Now Ford got 43/100 on 2026.

Example number ten on their sedan list is Mazda 3 reliability scored 74/100 keep going up to #2 Honda Accord score 96/100, Toyota crown #1 = 99/100 reliability scored. So the best truck out of the field is 43/100 but the sedans best is 99/100. It's fake isht, total joke, war on trucks and people that drive them. they use everything including negotiable reliability scores to social engineer the world. My guess is if you talked to them they would rate consumers like soy bean eaters much higher then steak eaters. It's a scam. consumer reports has zero credibility. Have at it boys, enjoy the thread for the humor source it is. 16 years my RAM had one AC issue paid under warranty that's it.

If you add the abbrev for Consumer Reports with the fake news Associated Press, you can see where I went with that.

I don't really care about CR, but if you're paying any attention you know Toyota has taken a nosedive with their redesign as well.

Is it fake they recalled over a quarter million Tundras for machining debris in the motor? Spend ten minutes looking up recalls for the current generation Tundra vs the Crown. If there's some massive conspiracy, Toyota must be in on it. The most "major" recall for the Crown involves a sticker with the wrong weight limit printed on it and the possibility of the backup camera going black. Between a misprinted sticker and a locked up motor, I know which I'd roll the dice on.

 

[Burla]

I wouldn't necessarily call it a conspiracy, it's just the way PR folks do their job, and I am ashamed to tell you my formal education was in PR. which is why I sound disillusioned more then most. They don't even try and hide why and how they do it, which is so embarrassing to the them as a group. Honestly, they cant control themselves, they believe at their core their goals are the most important work on the planet. When you reveal the facts behind the curtain, they have no point, only goals behind the goals. PR theory write to the lowest 25% of the population, people with less brain power. The only time they don't do this if you write pr for specialized publications. it's bad now, wait til AI is doing the work.

 

[Docwagon1776]

I wouldn't necessarily call it a conspiracy, it's just the way PR folks do their job, and I am ashamed to tell you my formal education was in PR. which is why I sound disillusioned more then most. They don't even try and hide why and how they do it, which is so embarrassing to the them as a group. Honestly, they cant control themselves, they believe at their core their goals are the most important work on the planet. When you reveal the facts behind the curtain, they have no point, only goals behind the goals. PR theory write to the lowest 25% of the population, people with less brain power. The only time they don't do this if you write pr for specialized publications. it's bad now, wait til AI is doing the work.

Without going into great detail here, I'm well versed in emotional manipulation, behavior economics, transactional communication, etc.

That said, and again not propping up CR in the slightest, it's beyond intelligent debate that post-COVID vehicles have taken a QC nosedive and trucks in particular. If I had to buy a half ton, I'd buy a Ford. If I had to buy a midsize truck, honestly I'd be hard pressed not to buy a Ford or Nissan. I don't trust new Toyotas and the old ones, well the market already figured out the old ones are the ones to have and pricing reflects that.

 

[Burla]

My guess the new Tundras will never be better then pre 2024, and I never liked their trucks anyhow. I always like the frontier and ranger, I have to agree all across the board on that.

 

[Docwagon1776]

My guess the new Tundras will never be better then pre 2024, and I never liked their trucks anyhow. I always like the frontier and ranger, I have to agree all across the board on that.

I never really considered the Tundra, either. The 4runner and Tacoma were of more interest. Nissan is supposed to be releasing a new Xterra in 2028, maybe they won't screw it up.

 

[04fxdwgi]

Eight months ago, flew north to sister's house in MA and drove her '23 or '24 Tundra 1/2 ton, towing a 22' camper, to NC. I was never so scared driving a vehicle while towing a trailer in my life. That truck wouldn't pull a greasy string out of a cat's a$$. And lets not talk about cross winds. Still have bad dreams about it.

 

[Lsujker]

Yeah, case in point refrigerators. Our primary frig failed at the end of May and had to be replaced after about 10.5 years service. While we have two over 20 yrs old smaller Sears Kenmore models (one in garage, one in finished basement) that keep chugging along. When we bought a new main level refrigerator in early June we were told to expect about 7 to 10 years service. Jeez!

Everyone knows it's the garage fridges that last forever. Put a new one in the kitchen, start your 10.2 year countdown... two months after compressor warranty.

 

[Gemeni06]

I never really considered the Tundra, either. The 4runner and Tacoma were of more interest. Nissan is supposed to be releasing a new Xterra in 2028, maybe they won't screw it up.

My wife will be jumping for joy when she hears about the new Xterra. It's her favorite vehicle in the entire world and my favorite SUV in the entire world. But a tough decision will have to be made whether to keep her 2009 Xterra and go with a new one. At 97,000 miles nothing wrong except for a few dents (all my fault) and some underbody rust. No imminent problems seen for the future. Hopefully, she'll blow the transmission or engine so she'll have an excuse for the new one. But I'm not counting on it. Now if only Nissan came back with a new regular cab Frontier. The Xterra and regular cab Frontier would be a matching pair. But too late for that now anyway. I'm sticking with the 2013 regular cab RAM. And at wife's age 76 in 2028 and my age 79 in 2028 it's probably not worth it for either of us to consider any new vehicles.

 

[Burla]

I never really considered the Tundra, either. The 4runner and Tacoma were of more interest. Nissan is supposed to be releasing a new Xterra in 2028, maybe they won't screw it up.

reportedly it will have the 9 speed plus a naturally aspirated v6. Too bad my local Nissan dealer shut their doors. It makes a difference when every other major manu still has a shop here. My guess because it is built so well, it will be low on CR's list, I'd bet money on it.

 

[Pull Ya]

My .02---The more I read about "new" trucks, the more I love my paid-for 2015 Ram R/T. Not many whistles and bells--just like the owner.
Jay

 

[mdc1990zr1]

fair enough, now add to the fact the highest ranking non Ford had a rating of 40/100 the tundra, so the highest rating truck just went through a redesign that also wait for it, dropped a v8. Plus as a group, clearly pick up trucks are not what CR wants you to buy. But if you do they really want you to buy one with a diaper on it or a non v8. Exactly what most truck guys have less interest in. Now Ford got 43/100 on 2026.

Example number ten on their sedan list is Mazda 3 reliability scored 74/100 keep going up to #2 Honda Accord score 96/100, Toyota crown #1 = 99/100 reliability scored. So the best truck out of the field is 43/100 but the sedans best is 99/100. It's fake isht, total joke, war on trucks and people that drive them. they use everything including negotiable reliability scores to social engineer the world. My guess is if you talked to them they would rate consumers like soy bean eaters much higher then steak eaters. It's a scam. consumer reports has zero credibility. Have at it boys, enjoy the thread for the humor source it is. 16 years my RAM had one AC issue paid under warranty that's it.

If you add the abbrev for Consumer Reports with the fake news Associated Press, you can see where I went with that.

Now dictate E85 and see how that destroys our extra cylinders in our V8’s

 

[mdc1990zr1]

I don't really care about CR, but if you're paying any attention you know Toyota has taken a nosedive with their redesign as well.

Is it fake they recalled over a quarter million Tundras for machining debris in the motor? Spend ten minutes looking up recalls for the current generation Tundra vs the Crown. If there's some massive conspiracy, Toyota must be in on it. The most "major" recall for the Crown involves a sticker with the wrong weight limit printed on it and the possibility of the backup camera going black. Between a misprinted sticker and a locked up motor, I know which I'd roll the dice on.

With the current administration in control, Toyota should bring back their 5.7 motor just like Ram brought back the Hemi. Now if they would only delete the e-torque crapola

 

[Ken226]

Too funny. I've had 4 of them a 2500 and 3 1500's and none of them gave me any serious trouble at all.

4 2026 Rams? You've had 4, and it's June. That's like, 1-1/2 months each.

What do you do for a living? Ya'll got any openings?

 

[Docwagon1776]

4 2026 Rams? You've had 4, and it's June. That's like, 1-1/2 months each.

What do you do for a living? Ya'll got any openings?

Some guy with a 1985 Toyota SR5: "Gosh, these new Toyota ratings are BS...I've got 450k on my truck and it runs great!"

 

[Jeepwalker]

Some guy with a 1985 Toyota SR5: "Gosh, these new Toyota ratings are BS...I've got 450k on my truck and it runs great!"

Yep! I started out in those early and mid-80's Toyota 4x4 pickups. The solid front axle ones. Had a few used ones which I pretty much did about everything with them. Know each piece of them by heart. That's how I knew they were well-built when you compare their construction to a square-body pickup at the time ...for example. I had a couple of them too around that time (square-body 4x4's and a Ford). Those Early Toyota (and Datsun mini pickups) felt real 'cheap' in some areas (interior and sheetmetal), but were darn well built in other areas (running gear). They still needed maintenance and had a few issues (timing chain tensioners wearing out, early 5-spd counter-bearing issues, etc) ...non-vented front rotors that could warp and were a bugger to change. But like you say, they were simple and really no 'tech' on them to flake-out. What little 'tech' they did have rarely broke. Mechanically overbuilt.

But man the early solid axle Toyota 4x4's were rough riding SOB's! Esp on rough roads. You almost needed a kidney belt! The 2-wd trucks were a little better. Not a lot of cab room -- couldn't really stretch out your legs. Noisy cabs... crapy stereos, weak acceleration, marginal brakes, Scary handling with large tires (even stock tires), no door impact beams or cab safety features whatsoever! You were driving a coffin so you paid ATTENTION. Frames rotted quick in the North, single-panel box ...couldn't haul a sheet of plywood ..ha ha.

All that ..22R, which only got 3mpg better than my 89 OBS GMC Sierra shortbox 4x4 350/Auto which had every option: Compfy velour seat that felt great, split seat with armrest (um seat was swapped out from a '91), power everything, cassette/equalizer, tinted glass. Longer driving range. Better stereo (crappy by today's standards but nice back then!). Roomier, quieter, rode/handled/braked great. Galvanized body panels. That truck was far superior to driving the early 80's Toyota 4x4 mini's in every conceiveable way! Those GM OBS '88-'98 trucks (GMT400's) were revolutionary when they came out. Aerodynamic. Rock-solid & reliable. The later GMT800's were even better. Those GMT400's seem like mini-trucks compared to today's full-sized tks! Still, those early Toyotas were a blast to own/drive! They are almost addictive somehow. They had vastly improved the interiors and NVH, and made them lot better by the mid 90's and beyond. I'd shoot for a mid-90's Toyota mini 4x4 if I was going to get into one.

Old school reliability (sort of) is why I'm hanging onto my 2012 Ram for now. Not a money issue. Simpler, reliable, still meets my needs. Want a regular cab and 8' box (I guess they still sell them but...). Lack a lot of the nice features of the new ones though. I looked at a '26 yesterday in the showroom while picking up some Mopar parts ...Man, they sure are NICE! Tempting. I'm sure a lot of owners rarely experience problems. I would go for the extended warranty if I did buy a new one.

Sorry...I'm just reminiscing out loud....

 

[jc56berg]

What gets me is when I watched the video it first started off with a Ford commercial.