Gas Vs Diesel

[cc rider]

Oh lol. I saw Cummins 6.7 and 6.4 in the thread. I gotta start readingmore carefully. My bad.

6.4 PSD, not hemi hehe.

1500ram12, from what i have seen, doesnt matter how built these things are, they are roll of dice.

Also when i owned my 6.0, i watched every video of this dude... check it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o2LGuzl0go

6.4 is at roughly 5:10

 

[1500ram12]

6.4 PSD, not hemi hehe.

1500ram12, from what i have seen, doesnt matter how built these things are, they are roll of dice.

Also when i owned my 6.0, i watched every video of this dude... check it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o2LGuzl0go

6.4 is at roughly 5:10

That's with anything though.

 

[PCT]

That's with anything though.

What do you mean?

 

[1500ram12]

What do you mean?

You stated that it didn't matter how you built these things they still are a pos. It'***** or miss.

I was saying, with any engine it's that way. Like my buddy and his 6.4L psd. Beat the **** out of it and never had a issue, but someone with the same setup could have nothing but problems.

 

[PCT]

You stated that it didn't matter how you built these things they still are a pos. It'***** or miss.

I was saying, with any engine it's that way. Like my buddy and his 6.4L psd. Beat the **** out of it and never had a issue, but someone with the same setup could have nothing but problems.

Lucky him, seems like he got a good one. I dont know enough about these engines, but they are extremely expensive when they go, and they seem to go alot. My friends 6.4, completly stock and maintained by ford, the glow plug got stuck on and melted the chamber and cost him $19876 to fix it by ford.. he might be a strange case but i wouldnt trust that engine. I think it is worse than 6.0, but thats just me

 

[THETANK]

someone has a complex lol

 

[1500ram12]

Lucky him, seems like he got a good one. I dont know enough about these engines, but they are extremely expensive when they go, and they seem to go alot. My friends 6.4, completly stock and maintained by ford, the glow plug got stuck on and melted the chamber and cost him $19876 to fix it by ford.. he might be a strange case but i wouldnt trust that engine. I think it is worse than 6.0, but thats just me

I worked with a guy that had a 6.0 who had his turbo replaced 3 times and his egr twice. After the 3rd turbo failed and 2nd egr he went with a aftermarket turbo and deleted the egr. If I remember right all 3 turbos were Garrett

 

[PCT]

I worked with a guy that had a 6.0 who had his turbo replaced 3 times and his egr twice. After the 3rd turbo failed and 2nd egr he went with a aftermarket turbo and deleted the egr. If I remember right all 3 turbos were Garrett

The ford OEM egr cooler are crap, unless he replaced them by specialty diesel parts, like sinister or something, aswell as ran preventative, shouldnt have happened. The big thing to prevent the 6.0 turbo failure was to run a cetane booster in the fuel to reduce soot production. Also subpar functioning EGR coolers would cause soot build up that would also clock vains in the turbo.

The big differences between the 7.3 and 6.0 and the 6.4 and 6.7, is emissions. Though the 6.0 had some emissions, the truck didnt have monitoring systems on anything but EGR, and were removable. A correctley built/maintained 6.0 can easily go 3-500k miles. But the 6.4-6.7, when removing the emissions has to be tuned correctley, but being on the PSD forums for 2 years, most people would run race tunes or heavy duty tunes, and grenade that engine. The internals like the crank and cams cant support all the power you through out at it. Another things that happens with 6.4 that is very common and catastrophic, those turbos are more prone to seal failure than 6.0, and would cause oil to be pumped into the dpf and clog it, then the dpf tell the engine to go into regen, which cause cylinder 7-8 to get burnt, and cause total engine failure. The 6.7 is probably the worse of the PSD. Thier turbos are made inhouse be ford if im not mistaken, and use ceramic balberians and they are 90k mile turbos, and it causes the same issues as 6.4 with the regen. Also that engine rejects tunes like people reject the inlaws.


Im not saying the PSD is a good engine, they all suck except the 7.3. But from my experience and being on the other forum, i have seen a lot of stuff. I liked my 6.0 but i hated how expensive it was and i prolly wouldnt get one again. 6.4 and 6.7 are a million times stronger than the 6.0 but 6.0 can be built up well and tuned nicely, where the newer engines have more moving parts that fail and fail big, and reject tunes(as in relability, known to blown an engine with race or tow tune within 20-30k). At my old work, used to be right next to Left Coast Diesel in livermore, where i was, and they say more failures in 6.4's, and more maintenance and preventative stuff in 6.0.

When the 6.4 is running good, its a monster.

Im not in anyway saying your wrong, its just what i have seen, and we all have our own prejudices toward certain things and we wont be persuaded by a forum post.

 

[1500ram12]

The ford OEM egr cooler are crap, unless he replaced them by specialty diesel parts, like sinister or something, aswell as ran preventative, shouldnt have happened. The big thing to prevent the 6.0 turbo failure was to run a cetane booster in the fuel to reduce soot production. Also subpar functioning EGR coolers would cause soot build up that would also clock vains in the turbo.

The big differences between the 7.3 and 6.0 and the 6.4 and 6.7, is emissions. Though the 6.0 had some emissions, the truck didnt have monitoring systems on anything but EGR, and were removable. A correctley built/maintained 6.0 can easily go 3-500k miles. But the 6.4-6.7, when removing the emissions has to be tuned correctley, but being on the PSD forums for 2 years, most people would run race tunes or heavy duty tunes, and grenade that engine. The internals like the crank and cams cant support all the power you through out at it. Another things that happens with 6.4 that is very common and catastrophic, those turbos are more prone to seal failure than 6.0, and would cause oil to be pumped into the dpf and clog it, then the dpf tell the engine to go into regen, which cause cylinder 7-8 to get burnt, and cause total engine failure. The 6.7 is probably the worse of the PSD. Thier turbos are made inhouse be ford if im not mistaken, and use ceramic balberians and they are 90k mile turbos, and it causes the same issues as 6.4 with the regen. Also that engine rejects tunes like people reject the inlaws.


Im not saying the PSD is a good engine, they all suck except the 7.3. But from my experience and being on the other forum, i have seen a lot of stuff. I liked my 6.0 but i hated how expensive it was and i prolly wouldnt get one again. 6.4 and 6.7 are a million times stronger than the 6.0 but 6.0 can be built up well and tuned nicely, where the newer engines have more moving parts that fail and fail big, and reject tunes(as in relability, known to blown an engine with race or tow tune within 20-30k). At my old work, used to be right next to Left Coast Diesel in livermore, where i was, and they say more failures in 6.4's, and more maintenance and preventative stuff in 6.0.

When the 6.4 is running good, its a monster.

Im not in anyway saying your wrong, its just what i have seen, and we all have our own prejudices toward certain things and we wont be persuaded by a forum post.

I haven't spent any time researching psd engines. If I was going to consider a Ford (always an option) I would. I've heard 7.3's were great, 6.0's were problematic and not much on the 6.4L and 6.7's.

At this time I don't know if I'd want to spend the energy learning the best way to mod and add factory options in another brand truck

 

[Csanders1992]

I haven't spent any time researching psd engines. If I was going to consider a Ford (always an option) I would. I've heard 7.3's were great, 6.0's were problematic and not much on the 6.4L and 6.7's.

At this time I don't know if I'd want to spend the energy learning the best way to mod and add factory options in another brand truck

6.4s have a lot of issues and they cause expensive repairs. The hpfp is prone to failure from bad fuel. When it goes it sends metal shaving to your injectors, it's a 10k repair. The oil gets diluted with fuel causing the crank and bearing to wear excessively, or can even lock the motor if the oil isn't changed. The maintenance on a 6.4 just to keep these issues from happening is insane. But navistar says it's the strongest motor they ever built, ford dropped the ball designing the truck around it though, and emissions destroy it.


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[drittal]

Lucky him, seems like he got a good one. I dont know enough about these engines, but they are extremely expensive when they go, and they seem to go alot. My friends 6.4, completly stock and maintained by ford, the glow plug got stuck on and melted the chamber and cost him $19876 to fix it by ford.. he might be a strange case but i wouldnt trust that engine. I think it is worse than 6.0, but thats just me

they run strong when they are working right, but ya better have a trust fund setup if they fail.

My father's 98 24V left him stranded towing a couple times, but never $20k to repair. HPFP, LPFP, and rebuild the Trans 2x and that was under 200k. Other than about 6 recalls, no issues so far with his 2012 though.

Some 6.0 if properly maintained and left otherwise stock have decent miles without failure. My Brother in Law had 175K all stock on his. Yet my friend had bulletproofed his and still ended up with a cracked piston.

 

[PCT]

What it cost to fix a fuel system on a 6.4 cost the same to bullet proof the entire 6.0... Anything more than an oil change the cab comes off truck the 6.4 6.7