How'd I do with this negotiation?

[Warl]

The sub box they wanted originally was 225 and already built but when I came by to install they said the JLs wouldn't fit so for the trouble they're making a custom box for me at that price.

I treated this like buying a car calling different shops and making them give me a better price plus goodies. Seems like it worked out and was worth it.

Now, are those subs and that amp good quality? They do have good reviews on crutchfield but I just want opinions before I go all the way with the purchase. Thank you.

 

[Ryan1126]

DO NOT DO IT. that is so much money for 2 10" subs and 750 watt amp... These days the watt per dollar rule is a big deal. $700 can get you a TRUE 3500-4000 watt mono block.

and they tell you its a "custom" box but its gonna be some generic box tuned to like 45Hz...

 

[Ryan1126]

i would be MORE than happy to guide you in a direction to save you a ton of money and you will never look back. i have done so many isntalls for friends and other people by word of mouth and i always save everyone so much money and not a single person has been disappointed.

 

[Warl]

DO NOT DO IT. that is so much money for 2 10" subs and 750 watt amp... These days the watt per dollar rule is a big deal. $700 can get you a TRUE 3500-4000 watt mono block.

and they tell you its a "custom" box but its gonna be some generic box tuned to like 45Hz...

Was told it'd be a fiberglass box and he sounded pissed I was just paying 100$ for it.

The JLs were matched on crutchfield and that amp was chosen because it was able to get 4 ohms to the subs. He did have me a 1000 watt for 400 but it didnt have the full ohms.

What do you recommend?

 

[Ryan1126]

Was told it'd be a fiberglass box and he sounded pissed I was just paying 100$ for it.

The JLs were matched on crutchfield and that amp was chosen because it was able to get 4 ohms to the subs. He did have me a 1000 watt for 400 but it didnt have the full ohms.

What do you recommend?

two of these bad boys:
SD-3 10 D4 - Sundown Audio 10" 300W RMS Dual 4-Ohm SD Series Subwoofer

this amp to power them:
SAE-1000D - Sundown Audio Monoblock 1000W RMS Digital Class D Amplifier

A full amp wiring kit (two options, one is CCA and one is OFC if you arent sure of the difference ill help with that)
http://www.amazon.com/KnuKonceptz-K...32422927&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=knukonceptz+4g

http://www.amazon.com/KnuKonceptz-K...32422927&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=knukonceptz+4g

and then you just need a box, for a sealed enclosure for under your seats they are very easy to find on the internet or if you want to get one from a shop that's fine too. these subs work in anything from .5^3-.65^3 after displacement. they can work in a common chamber or separate chamber, doesn't matter.

shops can take advantage of people so easily because they dont know much about how a system is installed or how anything pairs up. I cant stand by and watch someone get took like that i frequent the site a lot and am always up to help someone out and reply to my PM's dont be afraid to ask questions.

 

[Warl]

DO NOT DO IT. that is so much money for 2 10" subs and 750 watt amp... These days the watt per dollar rule is a big deal. $700 can get you a TRUE 3500-4000 watt mono block.

and they tell you its a "custom" box but its gonna be some generic box tuned to like 45Hz...

Why do these JLs and amp cost so much then?

 

[Ryan1126]

Why do these JLs and amp cost so much then?

Simply because they have a JL logo on them, do not get me wrong JL equipment is good but for performance to dollar ratio it doesn't make sense, simple as that. I am very into car audio and am on the big car audio forums, such as caraudio.com, caraudioclassifieds.org, smd.... i have learned that when you get into the competition audio world you get a lot more for your dollar because they are all internet based, lower over head, etc... Another thing that makes that 750 watt amp so expensive is that it does rated power at all ohm loads ranging from 1.5-4ohm where as the sundown amp does rated power at 1 ohm only and does half power at 2 ohm, and 250 at 4 ohm.

 

[Warl]

Simply because they have a JL logo on them, do not get me wrong JL equipment is good but for performance to dollar ratio it doesn't make sense, simple as that. I am very into car audio and am on the big car audio forums, such as caraudio.com, caraudioclassifieds.org, smd.... i have learned that when you get into the competition audio world you get a lot more for your dollar because they are all internet based, lower over head, etc... Another thing that makes that 750 watt amp so expensive is that it does rated power at all ohm loads ranging from 1.5-4ohm where as the sundown amp does rated power at 1 ohm only and does half power at 2 ohm, and 250 at 4 ohm.

Hm. But you'd agree that these are quality pieces of equipment correct?

I don't mind spending money for crisp sound.

 

[troutspinner]

Was told it'd be a fiberglass box and he sounded pissed I was just paying 100$ for it.

The JLs were matched on crutchfield and that amp was chosen because it was able to get 4 ohms to the subs. He did have me a 1000 watt for 400 but it didnt have the full ohms.

What do you recommend?

The box they are providing is a "bbox" and retails for about $115. It is not a custom fiberglass enclosure.

The pricing they gave you for all of the equipment is just average retail prices. I think you could do alot better shopping around.

There is nothing wrong with the equipment they are providing as it is good equipment but if they are making it seem you are getting a deal, they're blowing smoke and I would have to question the quality of their work at that point.

 

[Warl]

The box they are providing is a "bbox" and retails for about $115. It is not a custom fiberglass enclosure.

Why would it be a retail box if theyre making me come in to takr measurements to form the mold?

And yeah they had offered me the equipment then I told them the crutchfield price and they matched it. I'm assuming it was the stuff they had in stock for my truck at the time. Other options were kickers.

 

[Warl]

They had first quoted me 1800$ and that was without the 600$ amp and was with a 450$ one. I called another audio shop and they said they could do it for 1200 and give me this highly rated sub box. So i called the original audio place and they said the lowest they could go was 1400. So 400$ off like that.

Then they called and said the amp they quoted wouldn't do all 4 ohms so they offered the 750 watt JL.

 

[chipmaker]

Love my Sundown subs. And my soundqubed amp.

http://www.soundqubed.com/Q1-12002D-Amplifier_p_30.html

If I owned a shop and the consumer said "can you match Crutchfield prices?" I would jump for joy. Crutchfield prices aren't that good, he will hit a home run with you. It's business.

 

[dkmesa]

Hm. But you'd agree that these are quality pieces of equipment correct?

I don't mind spending money for crisp sound.

Don't assume because you are saving money vs JL equipment, that you won't get the same quality of sound. The Sundown amp and subs linked herein would provide very precise sound.

 

[Bkhsvt]

Doesn't sound like a bad deal. As long as they do good work, Jl makes a great product. If they are a licensed shop you should have great customer service from JL in the future if issues arose. I don't see the same from sundown or a lot of these other cheap high wattage sub/ amp combos. The fiberglass box will take them some time for 100 it's a steal as long as there is no cut corners. Also look how much they are charging for install.....next to nothing. So if they make a few bucks back on the product that makes sense.

 

[Bkhsvt]

Crutch field pricing is what it is because your getting true quality products and if there is issues you won't be dicked around. So I'd ask the shop if they can match crutchfields quality warranty. They sell the brands they do for a reason. just going to any brand amp and jumping to 1 ohm to pull as much power out of something isn't the way to go. Try to stay at 4 ohm or 2 at minimum. This gives a safer cleaner sound. I could write a book on this. I'll never buy off of eBay/Amazon for any item either seen to many customers learn the hard way.

 

[Bkhsvt]

Simply because they have a JL logo on them, do not get me wrong JL equipment is good but for performance to dollar ratio it doesn't make sense, simple as that. I am very into car audio and am on the big car audio forums, such as caraudio.com, caraudioclassifieds.org, smd.... i have learned that when you get into the competition audio world you get a lot more for your dollar because they are all internet based, lower over head, etc... Another thing that makes that 750 watt amp so expensive is that it does rated power at all ohm loads ranging from 1.5-4ohm where as the sundown amp does rated power at 1 ohm only and does half power at 2 ohm, and 250 at 4 ohm.

4 ohm and higher is ideal it's not running the snot out of the amp and not sacrificing audio quality....the amp you recommended to him is 1000 rms at 1 ohm....you notice a lot of higher quality audio companies don't even make equipment that is 1 ohm stable. **** look at any higher quality home audio equipment it's running off of 8-16 ohm. THERES A REASON FOR THIS. True sound quality and reliability are what you loosing dropping impedance down to minimums just to squeeze every drop of wattage out of a amp. I ask why do it then?
Arguing against stuff like this is blatantly ignoring ohms law and proven science. Lol

 

[Ryan1126]

People bashing sundown equipment and customer service that have no actual experience.... In fact sundown customer service is excellent and I have personal experience and will give them my business any day of the week. You guys are getting into ohms law like it matters in this case, the guy is tossing some low powered subs in a prefab box under his seat he's not building a competition SQ vehicle. If you guys want to talk SQ we can do that but I guarantee JL is not true SQ they make very little equipment that would be brought up. I'm telling him to drop to 1 ohm not .25 ohm. Have any of you stopped and read the specs on the sundown amp? Distortion levels? Efficiency? No because you hear JL and that's it. I'm not gonna tell him how to spend his money but at least show him what else can be had for much less. In the end it's 2 10's in a sealed prefab under the backseat, for $1600 no thanks I'll pass.

 

[Bkhsvt]

You did say he was just paying for a jl logo....but that jl logo has far better specs across the board. S/n ratio is far better by 10db!!!!! Thd+n at .003 I think. And doesn't have to run at 1 ******* ohm to get decent power....sounds like more than a ******* icon. Lol. I don't even own JL equipment and I can still see the difference. Also the quote isn't for a premade box. And charging 40 in labor.....100 for a custom box. Material alone for glass and mdf will be that or more alone. Have you done any testing of what running lower impedance a will do to a amp? Do you inderstand why you don't want to run lower impedance drivers over higher ones? Money buys quality, quality doesn't burn down cars. People with out money buying crap amps and amp kits do that. Next I'll start hearing people recommending fuses are optional.

 

[troutspinner]

Why would it be a retail box if theyre making me come in to takr measurements to form the mold?

And yeah they had offered me the equipment then I told them the crutchfield price and they matched it. I'm assuming it was the stuff they had in stock for my truck at the time. Other options were kickers.

I can only go by paperwork. Your quote is for a bbox. If they are providing a custom fiberglass box, then awesome for that price but have them update the quote to reflect what you are buying. I've seen stuff like this before. You walk in, pay the invoice and then realize you have a cheap box. They in turn say no, look at the quote. You got exactly what we quoted.

 

[Warl]

I can only go by paperwork. Your quote is for a bbox. If they are providing a custom fiberglass box, then awesome for that price but have them update the quote to reflect what you are buying. I've seen stuff like this before. You walk in, pay the invoice and then realize you have a cheap box. They in turn say no, look at the quote. You got exactly what we quoted.

Understood! Thanks