My ram cant Pull ****

[PCT]

So I vin searched my truck and found out that it can only tow 5900 Lbs, payload of 1600. according to Ram Trucks - Towing Guide - Capacity Chart

I want to pull a trailer and I figured when I bought this truck that it would beable todo atleast 6.5-8... Not 5900.

What kind of camping trailer would I be looking at that would sit around 6klb loaded

Prolly no more than 20 ft

 

[xrsman]

Well your first mistake was buying a 4.7L knowing you wanted to pull a 6000+ lb trailer. That's Hemi territory man, and 8K is almost the limit on the 3.21 rear end on the Hemi..

With that said you do have some choices..Here is a stick and tin unit. 28' long, shallow slide, and 4800 lbs dry.

Amerilite Floorplans - Ameri-Lite travel trailer, camper, RV, ultra-light trailer | Gulf Stream RV

Here is a 28' ultra lite with a shallow slide at 3900 lbs. You're going to pay more for this though because of the way it's constructed. Ex. alum cage vs wood frame, fiberglass vs metal siding, etc.

http://gulfstreamrvtrailers.com/gulf-breeze-sport/floorplans.php#25TSS

I had a 4.7L in my 2011 Ram. They are fine for bombing around in and get pretty good mileage. I didn't like towing with it though. Night and day difference with my new truck.

 

[PCT]

Well your first mistake was buying a 4.7L knowing you wanted to pull a 6000+ lb trailer. That's Hemi territory man, and 8K is almost the limit on the 3.21 rear end on the Hemi..

With that said you do have some choices..Here is a stick and tin unit. 28' long, shallow slide, and 4800 lbs dry.

Amerilite Floorplans - Ameri-Lite travel trailer, camper, RV, ultra-light trailer | Gulf Stream RV

Here is a 28' ultra lite with a shallow slide at 3900 lbs. You're going to pay more for this though because of the way it's constructed. Ex. alum cage vs wood frame, fiberglass vs metal siding, etc.

Gulf Breeze Ultra Lite Floorplans | Gulf Stream RV

I had a 4.7L in my 2011 Ram. They are fine for bombing around in and get pretty good mileage. I didn't like towing with it though. Night and day difference with my new truck.

I have towed a few cars and boats, and didn't have any problem, didn't know they were behind me. just disappointed with the low capacity, thought it could atleast do 6500.

But I do like that trailer, that's exactly what I would want. If I could rock that I would be happy. Then again its far down the road.

 

[xrsman]

I have towed a few cars and boats, and didn't have any problem, didn't know they were behind me. just disappointed with the low capacity, thought it could atleast do 6500.

But I do like that trailer, that's exactly what I would want. If I could rock that I would be happy. Then again its far down the road.

I'm not sure what rear end I had in my truck, but I pulled a 6500 lb rv with it once. Going up moderate hills I was petal to the floor under the speed limit (80 kmh) and loosing speed. It sucks but the tow ratings are there for a reason. If I had towed the trailer a bunch of times I could have done some serious damage to the truck!

An ultra lite or unit like the ameri-lite I posted would be good for that truck though!

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[PCT]

This is far down the road, 3-4 years. But would a programmer help with the 4.7, or still going to cause damage? People always rant about those things, never used them before.

Those trailer you posted are what I want. I know i don't own a diesel anymore so I know I cant pull back hoes and **** behind me, just want to beable to pull a decent size travel trailer, and those are what I'm looking for.

 

[spoon059]

Sorry, you should have planned ahead better. You don't want to tow more than you are rated for. It won't be very safe and it certainly won't be very fun.

 

[clh1220]

That is a low towing number. My v6 citadel is 6200.

 

[guzzel]

So I vin searched my truck and found out that it can only tow 5900 Lbs, payload of 1600. according to Ram Trucks - Towing Guide - Capacity Chart

I want to pull a trailer and I figured when I bought this truck that it would beable todo atleast 6.5-8... Not 5900.

What kind of camping trailer would I be looking at that would sit around 6klb loaded

Prolly no more than 20 ft

Consider biting the bullet and trading (selling) and upgrading to the 2500 6.4L (or diesel for an extra $8K). You won't be disappointed.

 

[Andy578]

I have towed a few cars and boats, and didn't have any problem, didn't know they were behind me. just disappointed with the low capacity, thought it could atleast do 6500.

there's a pretty big difference between what they CAN do and what they are rated to do. the ratings are mainly for what they can safely handle in various conditions and speeds and are generally underrated to cover their asses but to cover your ass you also have to follow the ratings

with that said i know my truck doesn't really like pulling 29k lbs very much but handles 10k lbs no problem

 

[xrsman]

This is far down the road, 3-4 years. But would a programmer help with the 4.7, or still going to cause damage? People always rant about those things, never used them before.

Those trailer you posted are what I want. I know i don't own a diesel anymore so I know I cant pull back hoes and **** behind me, just want to beable to pull a decent size travel trailer, and those are what I'm looking for.

No the tuner won't increase your tow rating. You'd still do damage if you had a tuner on.

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[Skrap]

PCT; you mentioned you have 3-4 years before you buy a trailer. By that time your truck will be 6-7 years old. Can you swing a newer truck with the 5.7 by that time? once 2018-19 rolls around look for a good used 2015-16 model with the right Hemi and then look at getting a nice affordable trailer. What i would do and is just my opinion.

 

[MANual_puller]

Tow ratings are subject to negotiation.......when the only drivetrain difference is the engine the lower tow rating that corresponds to the lower horsepower rating is b.s. The axles, springs, frame and brakes are the same. IMO more power can get you into trouble quicker towing. You definitely won't win any races with that 4.7 but as long as you can stop the load you should be fine. Pulling the transmission down gears prior to needing the rpms will prolong tranny life TONS by avoiding the WOT downshifts that kill dodge transmissions. Basically don't let it downshift on it's own, downshift it yourself at 75% throttle or less, make sure it's in and then you can lean into it. I would also upgrade to a 3/4 ton transmission cooler, easy upgrade that can only help. While it's not recommended, I've had north of 30,000# behind my old '06 2500 hemi several times with no problems. Good luck!

 

[MANual_puller]

No the tuner won't increase your tow rating. You'd still do damage if you had a tuner on.

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Fully agree. Vast majority of the damage will happen to the transmission though. I wouldn't worry about the engine. TCM shift points won't allow the engine to reach RPMs that can hurt it. Long sustained WOT, like 4 minutes solid or something might see the engine temp rise some, watch for that but I can almost guarantee the transmission gets too hot before the engine.

 

[PCT]

My same truck with 3.92 or 4.10 can do 7-9k, so i see what you are saying about same suspention axles ext. the hemi can do 10.5 and its the same stuff except engine really...
What i ment by tuner was increasing HP and changing shift points, not to increase payload, just to manager power better under load.

I thought these 6 speeds are really good.... I dont pull much so i shouldnt be complain yet, its just the fact of the matter. I personally love the 4.7... Really do, great solid power plant. My friend has a 5.7 8 speed, its fast, prolly faster than mine, but marginally. I think i got a great set up for what i do, so i should retract me complaining haha. We have a Ski boat that ways about 3k total w/ trailer and i dont even know its there. What gets me is the potential. Especially coming from an f350, where i didn't question payload...

My next truck will prolly be the 6.4 hemi, im done with diesel. Cummins is great in all. But living in california, cant delete anything, and these emission laws are going to send more of the trucks to the junk yard than anything else.

I would like to outfit my truck to tow some stuff, Going to get tow mirrors, and i would like to get a OEM trailer brake installed if that is possible.

 

[cptwing]

Tow ratings are subject to negotiation.......when the only drivetrain difference is the engine the lower tow rating that corresponds to the lower horsepower rating is b.s. The axles, springs, frame and brakes are the same. IMO more power can get you into trouble quicker towing. You definitely won't win any races with that 4.7 but as long as you can stop the load you should be fine. Pulling the transmission down gears prior to needing the rpms will prolong tranny life TONS by avoiding the WOT downshifts that kill dodge transmissions. Basically don't let it downshift on it's own, downshift it yourself at 75% throttle or less, make sure it's in and then you can lean into it. I would also upgrade to a 3/4 ton transmission cooler, easy upgrade that can only help. While it's not recommended, I've had north of 30,000# behind my old '06 2500 hemi several times with no problems. Good luck!

30,000+lbs with a 2006 Hemi gasser???? What the heck were you towing and was it all downhill??? Gooseneck, Fiver or bumper pull any of which should have made the bumper drag on the ground??? And nothing broke???
Crazy!

I also agree the Tranny will be the weak link or rather the component most likely to sustain damage and or fail. A larger tranny cooler would definitely help, and perhaps an additional engine oil cooler. Keep an eye on operating temps and oil pressure, and avoid high rpm downshifts when climbing grades especially. Advice from the peanut gallery seems not needed all that much here, you state you previously had an oil burner and have a bit of towing experience and common sense. The newer lightweight trailers will make things much easier on the truck. I have to wonder if there is a penalty paid for stability being as they are so light but still have a large cross section?

 

[MANual_puller]

11 silage round bales on a 20' gooseneck flatbed, 2200# a piece on a 8500# trailer. I also sled pulled it quite a few times which is a bumper hook. That truck is still on its original clutch too. It has the g56 manual transmission. I had to sell it when the second baby came along, standard cabs just don't fit 4 lol Really miss driving it some days.

 

[clh1220]

30,000+lbs with a 2006 Hemi gasser???? What the heck were you towing and was it all downhill??? Gooseneck, Fiver or bumper pull any of which should have made the bumper drag on the ground??? And nothing broke???
Crazy!

I also agree the Tranny will be the weak link or rather the component most likely to sustain damage and or fail. A larger tranny cooler would definitely help, and perhaps an additional engine oil cooler. Keep an eye on operating temps and oil pressure, and avoid high rpm downshifts when climbing grades especially. Advice from the peanut gallery seems not needed all that much here, you state you previously had an oil burner and have a bit of towing experience and common sense. The newer lightweight trailers will make things much easier on the truck. I have to wonder if there is a penalty paid for stability being as they are so light but still have a large cross section?

Ya what he said. Stopping 30k sound like no problem either.LOL . From the posts that I've read in here , the people that hall way to heavy are exceptional drivers and can see a long ways down the road. So nothing unexpected will come up..LOL

 

[crash_eco]

Ya what he said. Stopping 30k sound like no problem either.LOL . From the posts that I've read in here , the people that hall way to heavy are exceptional drivers and can see a long ways down the road. So nothing unexpected will come up..LOL

its not uncommon where I live to see full hay wagons being towed behind half tons, the farmer is usually on back country roads puttering along and very likely not going more than a few km from his field to his barn.

when my buddy was doing hay, they used two 1/2 tons (one dodge and one ford) with the hay waggons hooked up. 1 tractor was used to fill one trailer, that truck left and was unloaded by a second tractor by the horse barn while the loading guys were filling up the second wagon, basically no one was sitting around. they had to only drive a few hundred meters down the road.

There are no lights, no trailer brakes, and no tongue weight on hay wagons.

 

[DannyMK2]

I personally love the 4.7... Really do, great solid power plant. My friend has a 5.7 8 speed, its fast, prolly faster than mine, but marginally. I think i got a great set up for what i do, so i should retract me complaining haha.

marginally? no way. i had a 4.7. great motor, great truck, but not comparable to the hemi in power and speed. its a big difference. sure the 4.7 will do what you want, but no matter what you do to it the hemi is going to do it better.

 

[MANual_puller]

Ya what he said. Stopping 30k sound like no problem either.LOL . From the posts that I've read in here , the people that hall way to heavy are exceptional drivers and can see a long ways down the road. So nothing unexpected will come up..LOL

It's a farmer thing. City people wouldn't understand. lots of following distance, start slowing down early, electric over hydraulic trailer brakes help too. Never had a problem moving stuff but always take extra care to make sure I can get it stopped