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From what I have been seeing on the web, the Hemi should be around for a while yet with a slight increase in HP and torque, about 5 and 5. FCA can't increase it to much or it won't be suitable for the 6 speed transmission, that trans is rated around 420 on torque. Wish they would dump the 6 speed and open the Hemi up.

Some rumors of the Pentastar going twin turbo (and matching the Ecoboost in power??)

Styling I haven't seen much mentioned.
 

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On the bright side it would probably make the value of our trucks improve.

This is a good point... But once I hack mine all up and modify it I don't think that would really effect it, and make it even more expensive for me to pick up a 06-07 MegaCab Dually CTD tow pig in a few years... cause they will probably go up in price more than they already are....
 

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I read that the new Raptor may sport a twin turbo V6 with close to 500hp. That'd be a kick for sure, but a V6 just doesn't sound right exhaust-wise.
 

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The exhaust tone they make on the 16's come in from the vents on the inside of the F150...in the car sounds good, but from the outside its a tin can
 

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Most V8's will probably be gone in the near future.

Even the exotic cars are losin'em for turbo 6'ers.
 

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The 2018 Ram 1500: What we see coming down the line

by David Zatz, with thanks to Ram Man and Steven St. Laurent

Ram’s plan shows a 2018 “major update.” While Ram has been good at keeping secrets, we can make some projections based on leaks and patent filings.

With Ford expected to add a diesel and ten-speed to their aluminum-bodied F-150s for 2017, Ram engineers are working hard —*likely*focusing on many different bottlenecks, rather than a single technology.

When 2018 comes, there will also be a “commercial”*version of the Ram 1500, with enhancements for heavy duty work cases. The chart below suggests that a Ram Commercial version of the 1500 will appear earlier, but that would likely show up separately if it were true. (The years appear to be*calendar*years, not model years.)

Powertrain

Six-speed automatics*will be relegated to the entry level models, with the*eight-speeds*become more common. The company’s work on cutting parasitic losses will probably be showing more dividends as time goes on, and we expect more sophisticated,*belt-starter generator stop-start systems to be used on many models.

The sexy news may be upgrades to the engines themselves. The*Pentstar Upgrade, or “PUG,”*is coming, with an expected power boost (beyond 300 hp) and perhaps higher economy. Meanwhile, the*5.7 liter “Apache”*Hemi engines*are also being upgraded, with some sources claiming a target of 400 hp. Details are lacking on the dates for either upgrade, but the PUG is said to be fairly hefty, with dual-lift hydraulic cams and other upgrades.

There are also hints of the*diesel*gaining in towing capacity, possibly through gearing, calibration, and possibly upgraded internal parts upgrades could push it beyond 10,000 pounds (it’s currently rated at 9,200).

It is unlikely that the eight speed will jump to ten any time soon. ZF’s chief executive already dismissed that, saying the rewards were lower than the costs —*and this is coming from a company that supplies Rolls-Royce.

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Tailgates and seats

The 2016 or 2018 Ram 1500 pickups are likely to get the new split tailgate, which can open horizontally as well as up-and-down, as shown in this image from the patent filing:

In the illustration, one can see a built-in step, suggesting that a copy of Ford’s drop-down steps are still in the future.

Stow-and-Go seats for Ram pickups

Engineer*Steven St. Laurent forwarded a patent for new stowable seats. Chrysler minivan seats easily fold seats into the floor, for a completely flat surface; when not in use, owners can use the under-floor space for added storage. This new design also has unobstructed space between the bottom of the seat and the floor, for other passengers’ feet. In Mr. St. Laurent’s words,

Chrysler is seeking to have rear and middle seats in new-generation trucks and SUVs fold completely into the floors — a flat surface vs a*5-10° incline... *The seat back will be the surface of the floor. [It could also be helpful for using] the rear of the quad-cab Ram truck for sleeping when driving on long trips, by folding the seat and placing a mat on top when switching drivers.

Package and appearance changes

Despite the appearance of new grilles on Rebel and Laramie Limited, we’ve been told to expect few major changes, —*which makes sense. It seems likely that the Ram badging on the rear will grow to make it more obvious when you see them on the road.

The diesel’s value is reportedly to be increased with various add-ons, given its high cost, including HID headlamps, LED DRLs, and a revised front bumper and grille for better airflow (possibly also to aid towing capacity increases). Engine badging is likely to become more obvious, too.

To differentiate the refresh without insanely high cost, we do expect a new front fascia, grille, headlights and bumper.

Interior and comforts

While there will be inevitable cosmetic redesigns, most everything is likely to stay where it is, with the possible exception of the climate control system and stereo/telematics systems.



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Biggest issue I have hear...even from Mopar website, is that they might get rid of the hem engine....but I'm not sure.

Hemi engine is the best engine out there, so I don't know what they would do it...maybe because twin turbos is more efficient. Those turbos aren't cheap so let's see what happens.

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No it's true ill find the link but they are phasing out the Hemi
 

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No it's true ill find the link but they are phasing out the Hemi
Well then I'm going to be depressed...I hope they don't stop production all together for all of the other models...challenger, charger, some jeep Cherokees...because I would be pissed...I'm aiming to get a charger in 2018-2019. It's Hemi or bust in my book


** smiling pile of poo**
 

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There are a few reports of the Hemi being phased out of Dodge cars by 2019 in favor of turbo 6s. No mention of the Ram division that I've seen but it can't be far behind. Ford is already in the process of phasing out the 8s in its trucks.
 

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^^^^ I'll believe it when I see it. Market is too big for guys who still want that v8 power and sound.
 

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In my opinion the signs are pointing towards it happening. I plan on finding my long term truck in the next year or two. Something I'll actually hold onto more than a couple of years. Hopefully I'm wrong but I wouldn't count on it. As far as the market being too big for those of us who like the v8 power and sound...the automakers don't care. They only care about dollars and cents and the government will make it too expensive and too hard to meet cafe standards to be worth their while. They know that there will be a market for whatever is out there and that if you want a new truck you'll pay for what they're offering whether you like it or not.
 

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In my opinion the signs are pointing towards it happening. I plan on finding my long term truck in the next year or two. Something I'll actually hold onto more than a couple of years. Hopefully I'm wrong but I wouldn't count on it. As far as the market being too big for those of us who like the v8 power and sound...the automakers don't care. They only care about dollars and cents and the government will make it too expensive and too hard to meet cafe standards to be worth their while. They know that there will be a market for whatever is out there and that if you want a new truck you'll pay for what they're offering whether you like it or not.


Couldn't have said it better.

The market WILL conform.
 

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I'll say again, I'll believe it when I see it.

Say that all you want but the pointers and tells in the industry are pointing all away from that. With increasing CAFE standards of 30 MPG by 2025 for light trucks, it is gonna be a tough nut with these current Hemi V8's.
 

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They only care about dollars and cents and the government will make it too expensive and too hard to meet cafe standards to be worth their while. They know that there will be a market for whatever is out there and that if you want a new truck you'll pay for what they're offering whether you like it or not.

This. CAFE and the gov't will make the Hemi obsolete, and there is nothing we can do to stop it.
 

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Say that all you want but the pointers and tells in the industry are pointing all away from that. With increasing CAFE standards of 30 MPG by 2025 for light trucks, it is gonna be a tough nut with these current Hemi V8's.

What is the exact standard? Another 10 years of development I could see a Hemi getting 30mpg paired with a light chassis and a very good transmission. Keep in mind, this motor is 13 years old now. Do you think they will keep it going another 10+ years? Maybe they will do a smaller Hemi with a turbo?

EDIT: Infiniti/Nissan used the VQ for 20 years now and is just now beginning a new era with the VR... with that being said I could see the Hemi staying for the next gen and leaving for the 6th gen.
 
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What is the exact standard? Another 10 years of development I could see a Hemi getting 30mpg paired with a light chassis and a very good transmission. Keep in mind, this motor is 13 years old now. Do you think they will keep it going another 10+ years? Maybe they will do a smaller Hemi with a turbo?

EDIT: Infiniti/Nissan used the VQ for 20 years now and is just now beginning a new era with the VR... with that being said I could see the Hemi staying for the next gen and leaving for the 6th gen.

Keep in mind that CAFE is an average calculation of the MPG vs. the number of vehicle sold in a given class. If RAM or any other truck maker can sell enough models with a higher MPG rating, in theory, they can sell some vehicles with engines below the 30 MPG threshold so long as the total average does not go below that.

The problem is that people want to buy what they want and what is available at the time. If ram could not get a big block HEMI as we know it into the 30 MPG range by 2025, they would either have to ration the amount sold or just abandon it for more efficient and probably smaller rated motor designs.
 

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The Hemi engines are pretty efficient for v8 in itself. Since now they are putting turbos into v6 to make it more efficient, would there be any thoughts on a turbo hemi? The turbos are injecting more air into the engine...and pulling more air out, so don't you thing that doing that to a hemi would increase efficiency to hit that 30mpg number?

Hemi engine is already around 20-21mpg combined now..so a turbo would technically get you closer to 30mpg?



** smiling pile of poo**
 

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The Hemi engines are pretty efficient for v8 in itself. Since now they are putting turbos into v6 to make it more efficient, would there be any thoughts on a turbo hemi? The turbos are injecting more air into the engine...and pulling more air out, so don't you thing that doing that to a hemi would increase efficiency to hit that 30mpg number?

Hemi engine is already around 20-21mpg combined now..so a turbo would technically get you closer to 30mpg?



** smiling pile of poo**
This is what I was thinking. Plus if they switch to aluminum and find other weight reduction, getting the truck down to ~4500lbs for a crewcab would help this a ton as well.
 
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