Nothing New

[Dave Haddon]

So has there been any new developments in power technology recently? I mean all that we hear are tuners but nothing of a WOW factor for any new development for our 4th Gen Hemi,

 

[indept]

Rumor has it that the hemi is soon to be replaced by an in line turbo 6 cylinder. Still better than Chevy that has a turbo 4 cylinder available in their 1500 pickups.

 

[Wild one]

So has there been any new developments in power technology recently? I mean all that we hear are tuners but nothing of a WOW factor for any new development for our 4th Gen Hemi,

The 3rd Gen Hemi has been around for almost 20 years now Dave,there's not much new that can be considered a new Wow factor. Whipple is supposedly releasing their new blower for the !500's soon,but i wouldn't really consider it a new Wow factor though. In the Hemi world,the old adage "speed costs money,how much do you want to spend" really applies,lol.There's not much cheap or new that'll really make much of a differance,then what's already on the market

 

[Dave Haddon]

Agreed, I called whipple and found the same info that it is coming. I think I will pass on things and save for the new blower.

 

[Wild one]

Agreed, I called whipple and found the same info that it is coming. I think I will pass on things and save for the new blower.

A centrifugal blower (aka: pro charger) is easier on the engine and drivetrain then a positive displacement blower (aka Whipple) is Dave,something to consider if you're gonna boost it.

 

[Dave Haddon]

Again you are thinking the same as me. I researched the difference today for a few hours and came up with the same conclusion. Going with the Procharger. I will e mail them tomorrow to see if they have built the one for the Warlock..1500 Crew Cab..Classic DS...probably still at the end of the line. Why I do not know....cheers

 

[indept]

So has there been any new developments in power technology recently? I mean all that we hear are tuners but nothing of a WOW factor for any new development for our 4th Gen Hemi,

Rumor has it that the hemi is soon to be replaced by an in line turbo 6 cylinder. Still better than Chevy that has a turbo 4 cylinder available in their 1500 pickups.

So the new inline 6 cylinder will be a throw away. No steel cylinder sleeves just a few microns of spray on steel on the aluminum cylinder walls. Wonder how that will fare with 500 hp output.
Here's a YouTube video on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVLpFII1G7E

 

[RamInfo]

Steel liners are so 70s.

There are many manufacturers already using coated aluminum cylinders and have been doing so with good results since the early 80s. The material is harder than steel, wears better, and allows closer piston clearances as expansion rates can be more closely matched. I have personally disassembled engines using coated aluminum cylinders with >200k miles; the cross hatching was still visible on the cylinder walls and bores miked within spec. This is NOT a Chevy Vega engine, it’s Stellantis taking a step toward further refined engineering in their powerplants. Definitely not a “throwaway” mill IMHO.

best,
DG

 

[RLJ10X]

Anything that has been plated can be re-plated. Motorcycle engines have had plated cylinders walls for years. Google it.

To me, the coolest new thing is Super Clean Gasoline. That would blow a big hole in the EV argument.

 

[sandawilliams]

Anything that has been plated can be re-plated. Motorcycle engines have had plated cylinders walls for years. Google it.

To me, the coolest new thing is Super Clean Gasoline. That would blow a big hole in the EV argument.

I don't think anything will stop the 'green energy' crowd. Even clean burning natural gas is not good enough for them.

 

[Wild one]

Anything that has been plated can be re-plated. Motorcycle engines have had plated cylinders walls for years. Google it.

To me, the coolest new thing is Super Clean Gasoline. That would blow a big hole in the EV argument.

Artic Cat/Kawaski was doing plated cylinder walls in the mid 70's on their snowmobile engines

 

[kurek]

I don't think anything will stop the 'green energy' crowd. Even clean burning natural gas is not good enough for them.

Instead of screaming past each other, these crowds everyone has apparently decided to be in could try working together.

Natural gas is "clean burning" at the point of combustion except that it's still carbon coming out of the ground and into the air. That's the whole problem.

Climate change denial is flat-earther territory so unless you want to argue that the carbon falls off the edge of the planet and the turtle drinks it maybe we could be looking at a way to keep combustion engines and living ecosystems at the same time.

Biomass-to-liquid is the most natural solution here because it has a short carbon cycle but that doesn't make the coal rollin' crowd happy because of course it wouldn't that would be too easy. For some reason the same people who love V8's hate it when their V8 makes even more power if it also doesn't anger a vegan or something in the process.

I am the green energy crowd and also the vroom vroom crowd. I own two V8's and I want to feed them kelp-based biofuel.

Oxygenated fuel makes more power despite having fewer BTU's per pound because you can burn more fuel per cubic inch of engine displacement because you aren't pumping as much inert nitrogen through the engine per horsepower generated. This is why dragsters burn alcohol.

This doesn't need to be a conflict we can win and win.

 

[pacofortacos]

Climate change is a normal part of earth's atmosphere.

Three questions as I honestly don't know.
1. Is the water vapor also emitted during combustion factored into the climate change model?
2. Is sun spot activity factored in?
3. Is the atmospheric "breathing" factored in?

All 3 can and do affect the earth's temp and the last 2 come from our main heat source - the sun.

 

[pacofortacos]

"Oxygenated fuel makes more power despite having fewer BTU's per pound because you can burn more fuel per cubic inch of engine displacement because you aren't pumping as much inert nitrogen through the engine per horsepower generated. This is why dragsters burn alcohol."

This is very true, BUT, the engine has to be specifically built to take full advantage of the properties.
Currently the amount of oxygenation in the fuel is all over the place - even E85 isn't always 85%
They need to tighten up the fuel standards to a much closer standard and build engines to take advantage of the added benefit.

 

[kurek]

Climate change is a normal part of earth's atmosphere.

Three questions as I honestly don't know.
1. Is the water vapor also emitted during combustion factored into the climate change model?
2. Is sun spot activity factored in?
3. Is the atmospheric "breathing" factored in?

All 3 can and do affect the earth's temp and the last 2 come from our main heat source - the sun.

Water vapor is a greenhouse gas and as the average temperature of the planet's atmosphere rises so does the mass of water vapor in a positive feedback loop. But anthropogenic water vapor is difficult to measure.

Man made climate change is extremely settled science and it's unfortunate that it's still a conversation that needs to be repeated but here goes:

We don't have to care about "normal" or "Sun spots" or "volcanoes" or whatever because we actually can identify exactly how much of climate change is directly from burning fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are made of plants and plants preferentially construct themselves from carbon-12 so by measuring the change in carbon-12 isotope against carbon-13 in atmospheric samples (ice cores) we can identify how much of the atmospheric carbon used to be a plant vs. geologic sources (volcanic activity). If the carbon present in a particularly rich historic sample has the base level ratio of C12/C13 we can expect it came from volcanic or tectonic release. If it shifts the ratio toward C12 we can expect it had an organic source - forest fires or industrial revolutions. Humans also have a tendency to tax commodities and keep records so we know exactly how much fossil fuel has been extracted and burned in human history. These numbers can be correlated and they all match. We can identify exactly how many Watts per square meter of solar energy are retained in the atmosphere specifically as a result of human fossil fuel burning and separate from all other sources of climate fluctuation.

Few things on Earth have been studied this closely so if you trust aeronautics engineers to build a safe airplane when you fly then you can trust the tens of thousands of climate scientists worldwide who agree on this result. There isn't enough money in solar panels and Big Tofu to buy them all off. It's not a conspiracy to chop the ball bearings off your Hemi it's a conspiracy to not starve because we killed all the bees and fish.

Currently the amount of oxygenation in the fuel is all over the place - even E85 isn't always 85%
They need to tighten up the fuel standards to a much closer standard and build engines to take advantage of the added benefit.

Higher compression engines (or boosted ones) take much better advantage of oxygenated fuels, you're absolutely correct. Engines engineered for gasoline still make more power on alcohol just much less efficiently than they could with higher compression. The cost per mile can work out if the alcohol is cheaper than gasoline by the same % as the reduction in miles per gallon but there's no way around the reduction in range. I think the more difficult part of this is that right now the production of alcohol alongside chicken feed from the same harvest makes people react emotionally and the production of fuel from seaweed is not yet economically profitable. EV's weren't economically profitable in 2010 either but they got help from all of us in the form of legislative measures (taxpayer funded rebates + credits paid for by "polluters" .. i.e. part of your Ram's purchase price went to that guy who allegedly beats up women and peddles electric cars) so the same rationale which went into those legislative pushes could be put to work saving the combustion engine by changing its diet.

In other words the same government which paid people $7500 to buy an EV could pay you $7500 to supercharge your Hemi and burn carbon neutral fuel in it for the same reason and if your truck doesn't put carbon into the atmosphere it's inoculated against criticism from The Green Crowd, isn't that a good thing?

 

[pacofortacos]

So I take away from your response that the answer is no. Yet we just discovered that the planet breathes much more often than previously thought.
What carbon comes from tilling the soil or construction ?
What carbon comes from the ocean ?
I don't dispute that we have put carbon into the atmosphere, but seeing as how we are coming out of a mini ice age, how can the heat source, which is not a constant, be ignored?
For some reason the cure to global warming is always wealth redistribution - aka Paris accord.

Why not use your kelp, plus sawgrass plus any excess byproducts of corn? Answer, the gov. is involved. I thought the cost of using sawgrass was about the same as corn.

If you could tighten the E85 to a guaranteed 80-85%, engines could be built with an easy 15-16+ compression ratio, probably much higher using DI and boosted via turbo or blower and be significantly more powerful and efficient BUT they could only run on E85 - maybe gas in a pinch if you dump all boost and inject it just right, kill timing, etc.

The current setup for using E85 and gas just doesn't work, most of engines do not make more power so the cost per mile is about the same as gas if you are lucky. Most of vehicles that can use E85 from the factory run ok on it, but I have never heard anyone rave about the extra power.

I agree, you could change the diet and save ICE engines. But the diehard climate people want them gone - period.

 

[kurek]

. But the diehard climate people want them gone - period.

There are a lot of people screaming past each other. It doesn't get a lot done.

 

[Wild one]

So I take away from your response that the answer is no. Yet we just discovered that the planet breathes much more often than previously thought.
What carbon comes from tilling the soil or construction ?
What carbon comes from the ocean ?
I don't dispute that we have put carbon into the atmosphere, but seeing as how we are coming out of a mini ice age, how can the heat source, which is not a constant, be ignored?
For some reason the cure to global warming is always wealth redistribution - aka Paris accord.

Why not use your kelp, plus sawgrass plus any excess byproducts of corn? Answer, the gov. is involved. I thought the cost of using sawgrass was about the same as corn.

If you could tighten the E85 to a guaranteed 80-85%, engines could be built with an easy 15-16+ compression ratio, probably much higher using DI and boosted via turbo or blower and be significantly more powerful and efficient BUT they could only run on E85 - maybe gas in a pinch if you dump all boost and inject it just right, kill timing, etc.

The current setup for using E85 and gas just doesn't work, most of engines do not make more power so the cost per mile is about the same as gas if you are lucky. Most of vehicles that can use E85 from the factory run ok on it, but I have never heard anyone rave about the extra power.

I agree, you could change the diet and save ICE engines. But the diehard climate people want them gone - period.

E85 isn't feasable,as the majority of the planet doesn't have E85 at the pump. The world is bigger then just the good ole US of A,lol

 

[kurek]

E85 isn't feasable,as the majority of the planet doesn't have E85 at the pump. The world is bigger then just the good ole US of A,lol

heh, yeah the internet's a fad only a few nerds use it

 

[RLJ10X]

Plant based energy sounds real good on the surface. Buy if studied from start to finish, I've read it actually produces more carbon. Plus it takes a lot more energy to produce it. I will always thingk clean gas is the smartest choice.

I have nothing against vegans. Leaves more meat for me. I hunt what I eat, anyways.

Guys who "Roll Coal" are morons who give us all a bad rep.

China, Russia, and India (and all 3rd world countries) are the real problem when it comes to dirty air.