O.k- Starting to sour on the decision to go back to a gas 2500 from diesel 3500

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ronheater70

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1st issue is personal preference, I simply hate that 12" ipad in the middle of my dash. Its distracting to me, I dont like it's operation and Yesterday while driving with the heat on and the fan on 3, it suddenly went into full blast AC and turned on the front and rear defroster. I could go back and forth between menus but could not shut of the AC..it finally shut off after a few minutes of me pushing the off button. Only to do the exact same thing a few minutes later before again hitting the off button for 5 minutes and it finally turning off. And No nothing was set on Auto.

2nd isnt an issue, just a realization. The fuel economy Sucks on this thing. I absolutely do not recall seeing 13 MPG on our 2016 2500 Hemi, and My 3500 Cummins with the G56 was routinely showing 18-21 over the same drive cycle. That really digs into the cheaper cost of gas over Diesel. I'm still better with the Hemi. I dont Have Def to buy, or Emissions to worry about (but lifters failing I now have to worry about) , but Dang. Thankfully it wont get driven often. Im only driving it the last few days because we had My wifes Jeep in the shop and shes using my car.

3rd- It rides nice for a HD truck, but again, I did not feel our 2016 2500 was as unstable as this one under load. Maybe its the shorter bed on this one vs the 8' on our old 2500. Im anxious to see how it handles our smaller 6K rv.

I guess things are bugging me cause I have used it as a Daily Driver for a few days instead of driving it once every 2-3 weeks.
 

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Bummer you are regretting the move to gas. It is a tough decision these days, since the EPA edicts have taken away some of the goodness of owning a diesel.

My 12" has screen has never acted up like that. Really, it's been very reliable and I'm quite happy with it compared to the 8" one in my '18 Ram 2500.
 

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If you didn't see 13 mpg on your 2016 I'm guessing you never sped, nor pulled, nor drove under a load. My 2018 (6.4) averaged about 12 or 13 in the city and 10 pulling the boat. My 2023 (6.4) is the exact same. The only thing I tow regularly is my boat, so I can't justify the additional cost of a diesel...I just wouldn't work it like it needs to be worked. I love this truck. The big screen really doesn't bother me since I'm normally just looking at my phone and texting (joking). I only use the top half for nav via waze so it's never been an issue.
 

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I have had a couple of glitches with my 12" screen. Buy having the software updated pretty much fixed it. Lot of threads on here about the 6.4 sucking gas like no tomorrow. But its a HD truck, which has an aerodynamic profile like a boat sail, and these trucks weigh around 9k pounds.
 

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1st issue is personal preference, I simply hate that 12" ipad in the middle of my dash.

I totally agree, but a new 3500 with a cummins would have the same thing. So that would ne a "new vehicle in 2026" complaint, not specific to 2500s.

2nd isnt an issue, just a realization. The fuel economy Sucks on this thing.

Agree with others, the 6.4 is definitely not known for good economy when towing. Unloaded though it should still be ok though. How many miles on yours? I've read that some people will gain 1-2mpg after a few thousand miles once their engine has broken in.

3rd- It rides nice for a HD truck, but again, I did not feel our 2016 2500 was as unstable as this one under load.

I don't think the bed would make any difference. Not that you would want to start modding a brand new truck but air bags or a stiffer sway bar could make it much more stable if it bothers you. Bags would work better but also more $$. "air bags don't increase capacity" legally yes but they do firm things up a lot, which may be perfect for you.
 

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I've never had an issue like that with the hvac system, but I do know these trucks will randomly kick on the ac if you just have the vent on if it thinks there is too much humidity in the truck. I guess its a "safety" thing so you dont get foggy windows?

My dad has a 24 3500 Cummins and it barely gets better fuel mileage compared to my truck. It will get better once it gets broken in, but he is within 1 or 2 mpg towing the same camper, maybe a bit better empty. With the cold and wind lately I'm seeing 12 to 13 avg, typically its closer to 14 for my normal commute.

You can always add some airbags if you want them. It's helped my towing quite a bit, mainly from leveling the truck (~11k toy hauler on a PW). They sit outboard of the coils so widen the weight distribution a bit.
 

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We just did a 14 hour round trip including some traffic in the Atlanta and Nashville areas not hauling or towing anything.

We made 17 MPG the trip in our 2020 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi run the legal speed limits for the trip.
 

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How was the traffic in Nashville, have to go through there in March Thanks
 

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We just did a 14 hour round trip including some traffic in the Atlanta and Nashville areas not hauling or towing anything.

We made 17 MPG the trip in our 2020 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi run the legal speed limits for the trip.
Pretty fair MPG for a road trip. I think the best I've seen is probably about 16 or 17, mostly my fault, I like that pedal on the far right. No one buys a 2500 or larger for the fuel economy.
 

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We just did a 14 hour round trip including some traffic in the Atlanta and Nashville areas not hauling or towing anything.

We made 17 MPG the trip in our 2020 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi run the legal speed limits for the trip.
Hand calculated or the EVIC indicated?
 

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I totally agree, but a new 3500 with a cummins would have the same thing. So that would ne a "new vehicle in 2026" complaint, not specific to 2500s.



Agree with others, the 6.4 is definitely not known for good economy when towing. Unloaded though it should still be ok though. How many miles on yours? I've read that some people will gain 1-2mpg after a few thousand miles once their engine has broken in.



I don't think the bed would make any difference. Not that you would want to start modding a brand new truck but air bags or a stiffer sway bar could make it much more stable if it bothers you. Bags would work better but also more $$. "air bags don't increase capacity" legally yes but they do firm things up a lot, which may be perfect for you.
Yes I have had two CTD 2500 pulling TTs and fivers. Both had airbags and I loved them. The bags not only add stability they also level the truck which is a big plus to me. If I had kept my 3500, I would have added bags for sure.
 

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The 12" Etch-A-Sketch screen in my 2019 3500 was extremely glitchy. Fortunately, the one in my '24 is pretty stable(knocking wood).

The auto climate control still does weird stuff, like going to red hot when the AC is running, or blowing ice cubes when the heat is on. Even with "Auto" turned off it still has a mind of its own. It's a Mopar thing, I guess.
 
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If you didn't see 13 mpg on your 2016 I'm guessing you never sped, nor pulled, nor drove under a load. My 2018 (6.4) averaged about 12 or 13 in the city and 10 pulling the boat. My 2023 (6.4) is the exact same. The only thing I tow regularly is my boat, so I can't justify the additional cost of a diesel...I just wouldn't work it like it needs to be worked. I love this truck. The big screen really doesn't bother me since I'm normally just looking at my phone and texting (joking). I only use the top half for nav via waze so it's never been an issue.
yea I probably was getting that , I dont recall though, maybe I blocked it off LOL. i do recall driving it to the beach on flay 60 MPH roads and getting what I considered good MPGS for a big truck.
 
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I totally agree, but a new 3500 with a cummins would have the same thing. So that would ne a "new vehicle in 2026" complaint, not specific to 2500s.



Agree with others, the 6.4 is definitely not known for good economy when towing. Unloaded though it should still be ok though. How many miles on yours? I've read that some people will gain 1-2mpg after a few thousand miles once their engine has broken in.



I don't think the bed would make any difference. Not that you would want to start modding a brand new truck but air bags or a stiffer sway bar could make it much more stable if it bothers you. Bags would work better but also more $$. "air bags don't increase capacity" legally yes but they do firm things up a lot, which may be perfect for you.

Initially when i saw the 12" Screen I liked it, thinking more of the cool factor. I think time will help, right now Im not fluent in its language so i dont readily get to the menu Im looking for and it is causing me a distraction. i think once i become more versed in its operation it will lessen my anxiety.

AVG MPG.. yea I'm learning im running about the norm I suppose. its cold out too, and in my defense I kinda like the sound a lil better than my diesel so my foot may be in it a lil more than necessary.

Towing my MILs camper, I looked again at it and I gotta be pushing 11K. I mean, really she stays in it, it has 3 slides, full fressh, grey and black tanks and all her dishes and clothes and such outta her condo. And it is definitley nose heavy. i think with that weight I woudl be best to have an airbag.. But it only gets pulled every 5 weeks or so and thats only 20 miles o so, so I guess Ill live with it. Im anxious to see how it handles our lil 6K rv.
 
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We just did a 14 hour round trip including some traffic in the Atlanta and Nashville areas not hauling or towing anything.

We made 17 MPG the trip in our 2020 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi run the legal speed limits for the trip.
Ahh, thats good to hear!
 

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It's possible your touch screen is delaminating. It happened to my 2018 Ram 1500 with an 8" screen. When it begins to delaminate, the screen senses "ghost touches" and starts responding by changing radio stations, HVAC settings, etc. Ram Cares got a replacement for me after I had to have the local dealer confirm the diagnosis for $200. It's a known issue.
 

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1st issue is personal preference, I simply hate that 12" ipad in the middle of my dash. Its distracting to me, I dont like it's operation and Yesterday while driving with the heat on and the fan on 3, it suddenly went into full blast AC and turned on the front and rear defroster. I could go back and forth between menus but could not shut of the AC..it finally shut off after a few minutes of me pushing the off button. Only to do the exact same thing a few minutes later before again hitting the off button for 5 minutes and it finally turning off. And No nothing was set on Auto.
What it sounds like your main complaint is about the stability of the electronics. I've had this issue with all newer vehicles ... and the issues always seem to be more prevalent right after you start the vehicle. Being an old IT tech, I just do what I always told everyone else to do before I would work on their computer, turn it off then turn it back on. This typically resolves any issue ... even those that crop up during the drive. The bad thing is it typically means pulling over somewhere to turn off the vehicle and restart.

Personally, I don't find it the 12" screen distracting ... more helpful because buttons and such are a decent size and labeled better. Vehicles were becoming too cluttered with buttons that nobody could figure out because there was no standard on icons used so every time you drove a different vehicle everything was different ... and if you needed to turn something on because of driving conditions you had to remember what button turned that feature on for each vehicle you drove. I've actually had to pull over and stop just to look for the button when using my wife's car. What I don't appreciate is the move away from standards and all vehicle manufacturers are guilty of it. Basically, they used the rapidly changing technology as an excuse to move back to proprietary electronics. They were simply loosing too much money selling their high end entertainment units. People were buying whatever was standard at no additional cost from the factory because third party vendors (i.e. Kenwood, Pioneer, etc) were offering far superior products at lower cost. The other thing wrong with all this is there is no way I can ever upgrade an older vehicle. I was able to install a Pioneer unit in my 2016 Ram 2500 that gave me wireless CarPlay. It wasn't until 2022 that Ram finally put it in the truck from the factory. There isn't any reason they couldn't have expanded the Din standard to include more sizes.

The lack of standards in the auto industry for the electrical and electronics systems is becoming a real issue. Most features are intrinsically fairly simple at the interface level (i.e. on/off, open/closed, etc). Some have need of level (i.e. like fuel) or step (i.e. like high medium or low). Sensors are typically tied to the system itself so wouldn't need to be part of the standard interface. So one standard for connectivity to communicate with each component system. Second a standard for connectivity to main computer/entertainment system to include the connector and how the computer communicates with the individual systems. This sort of movement has already happened in the home automation area with the Matter standard that allows components from various manufacturers to talk to one another. In addition, as a vehicle aged, you would be able to more easily upgrade it.

Lastly on my rant regarding the standards ... look at towing. Ram did pretty well with the connector designed for the trailer surround video ... but there are a bunch of unused pins on that connector. So why do they have a totally separate connector for the rear view camera? The hard wired camera is much more reliable than wireless ... particularly with long trailers. And speaking of long trailers ... how about the reliability of those TPMS sensors. Think how much better it would be if they would simply have come up with a "connectivity box" that simply provided connections for ALL trailer options. The box would be inexpensive to make ... all it's doing is providing a connector to each wire on the cable. They could have then made the surround video, rear view camera and yes even the TPMS sensor all options you could buy separately as your needs dictate ... and there would only be one additional cable beside the 7-way instead of two and the TPMS receiver could be mounted for best reception of the TPMS sensors. Now ... let's take that one additional step ... the manufacturers all use the same 11 pin "trailer electronics" interface cable and standardize the signal/communications for each pin. If they were to do that, what would happen is the trailer manufacturers would start including that box on their trailers. As many have probably found out, it doesn't do any good to offer trailer surround video when there is no way to route the cables to the optimum locations on the trailer for it to work ... and most dealers refuse to install it because of that and the Ram dealer won't either you basically that expensive upgrade sits in a box. It really is way over priced for four cameras, some cable and an oversized interface box that I'm sure is pretty much empty inside. I'm pretty sure there is no electronics in it and that all it does is provide electrical connectivity to the cameras. At most, all it might do is boost the signal for each camera to cover cable loss.

The automotive industry really needs to get on board with meaningful standards for the electrical and electronic components. It would also reduce cost with some of their suppliers. Currently, I believe is you get a Bose or other name brand sound system what you are getting is a system customized by those companies for the auto manufacturer. It would be cheaper if it were a mass produced unit. Anyway, my issue is primarily with the lack of standards that means living with whatever came with your vehicle when you bought it until you sell it.
 

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around here gas is $1 cheaper per gallon than diesel, or approximately 25%. So 20 mpg with diesel will cost about the same as 15 mpg with gas.
 
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